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Elizabeth Warren On AIG Tax Break: It's An Extra Bailout Worth Billions

By DANIEL WAGNER 03/12/12 04:19 PM ET AP

Elizabeth Warren Aig Tax Break
Elizabeth Warren criticized a tax break for AIG as an extra bailout.

WASHINGTON -- Former members of a congressional panel that oversaw bailouts during the financial crisis blasted the Treasury Department on Monday for quietly granting a tax break worth billions to insurance giant American International Group.

The tax break amounts to a "stealth bailout" on top of the $182 billion that AIG received from the government, and it unfairly helps AIG, its shareholders and executives, former oversight panel chair Elizabeth Warren and others said.

Warren, who also is a consumer advocate and Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Massachusetts, told reporters that tax breaks accounted for 90 percent of AIG profits last quarter.

"We think it's time for Congress to end the special tax break," she said.

Companies sometimes defer losses and use them to reduce the tax burden in future years. Companies that change ownership usually face strict limits on how much of a loss they can defer. But the Treasury Department granted AIG an exemption, handing the company $17.7 billion in profit, the former panel members said.

AIG received the biggest bailout of any company during the 2008 crisis. The company had sold insurance-like contracts that were supposed to pay out if certain mortgage-backed investments went bust.

When the investments tanked, AIG couldn't afford to pay the companies that had purchased the contracts. The government bailed it out so that it could pay them and prevent a market panic over the potential losses.

Damon Silvers, former vice chairman of the oversight panel, said the tax break unfairly benefits private AIG stockholders, including executives who were paid in stock options, at the expense of taxpayers.

"By doing it this way, substantial amounts of money leaked out to the benefit of private parties who really should not be benefiting from public policy in this way," Silvers said. He said the waiver gives AIG an unfair competitive advantage.

A Treasury Department spokesman referred to a blog post that says applying the rule "made no sense" in the context of the financial crisis.

The rule was intended to stop profitable companies from lowering their own tax bills by buying unprofitable ones, the blog post argues. The government did not acquire AIG and others to take advantage of their past losses, it says.

AIG spokesman Mark Herr said the company is relying on settled tax law that allows companies to offset taxable income with past losses.

AIG has repaid taxpayers more than $45 billion so far "and is committed to taking all possible steps so that American taxpayers can continue to recoup their investment in AIG at a profit," Herr said in a statement.

Also signing the letter were Mark McWatters and Kenneth Troske, who were appointed to the panel by Republican congressional leaders.

The oversight panel disbanded last April, as was required under the bailout law.

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trusgold
Vote Straight Democrat !! No Natter What!
04:59 PM on 05/08/2012
ELIZABETH IN LIGHT OF THE GAIN OR PROFIT THE GOVERNMENT STANDS TO MAKE WITH AIG....PERHAPS YOU WORDS WERE A BIT PREMATURE. YOU WILL GET NOWHERE BASHING WHAT TtREASURY DID IN A TIME THAT A CATACLYSMIC MELTDOWN WAS IN PROGRESS. TtHERE WERE GOING TO BE SOME ERRORS ....THIS IS TRUE BUT WHEN THE SHIP IS SINKING YOU DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE RUGS GETTING WET. I SUGGEST YOU AIM YOUR CRITICISM AT THE CONGRESS BLOCKING EVERY INITIATIVE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS MADE TO RESTORE OUR ECONOMY. HE HAD 2 YEARS TO GOVERN AND THE TURN AROUND IS SHORT OF A MIRACLE ..NO IT IS A MIRACLE. WE NOW HAVE A MONTH WHERE WE ENDED WITH A HUGE SURPLUS. LET'S NOT GET OVERZEALOUS AND THROWE THE BABY OUT WITH THE BAY WATER IN YOUR CRITIQUES OF THE PEOPLE THAT SAVE AMERICA FROM A COLLAPSE THAT WOULD HAVE DWARFED THE GREAT DEPRESSION
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I HAVE UNDYING SUPPORT FOR YOU AAND BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT THE BEST CAANDIDATE NOT JUST IN MASSACHUTTES, BUT THE COUNTRY FOR US SENATE! WE NEED A MIND LIKE YOUR'S IN GOVERNMENT BE IT IN THE US SENATE OR IN THE OBAMAII ADMINISTRATION. WE NEED YOU. PLEASE ALLOW MANY US TO KEEP SUPPORTING YOU 110%.
03:08 PM on 05/08/2012
Didn't she work for the Obama Administration?

What am I saying this is the same phony who claimed to be Indian.

Chief Shoveling Bull
PhantomShadow
Think what you want about me. You will anyway.
09:45 AM on 03/14/2012
When did this Treasury Department action take place?
trusgold
Vote Straight Democrat !! No Natter What!
05:00 PM on 05/08/2012
It appears it began with a congressional committee and went to Treasury for approval.
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Dick Stone
My Andalusian works hard and loves his job
05:54 AM on 03/14/2012
I looked up mousy on the internet, and Warren's photo kept popping up.
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bornorange
Watching history repeat, sadly.
05:29 AM on 03/14/2012
Lizzie,
OMG you have uttered something I can agree with. (even tho' I bought AIG stock after the bailout)

Now that we have you leaning a little right, can you make the same pronouncement about the tax breaks for GM and Chrysler?

The federal government making decisions on who win and who loses is criminal and someone needs to go to jail to get the politicians to stop it. (Maybe several someones)
PhantomShadow
Think what you want about me. You will anyway.
09:54 AM on 03/14/2012
We need to break the connection between politics and money to stop it.
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bornorange
Watching history repeat, sadly.
09:59 AM on 03/14/2012
You don't think that fear of Bubba in the cell won't do it?
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William Diaz
Passive-Aggressive word salad tossed here!
07:00 PM on 03/13/2012
I would like to see a law in place that taxed all salary and bonus income above that paid the President as a non-deductible expense. If the POTUS can run the most powerful country in the world for 400k, there is no reason that any salary above that should be considered a necessary expense.

Have a great day!
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
10:51 PM on 03/13/2012
The President is a public servant....its nor about the money...

However he does get to live in a house estimated in va;ue to be worth over 150 Million Dollars, filled with priceless art works, use of Camp David worth around 60 Million, free food, free use of a 10 Million DOllar Limo, Airforce One...all for free...he pays NO property taxes on any of them or excise taxes..

PS Obama made 2.2 Million last year including his book income and investments..
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bornorange
Watching history repeat, sadly.
05:32 AM on 03/14/2012
Billie-bob,

You said, " If the POTUS can run the most powerful country in the world for 400k..."

There is considerable dispute over that statement but salary has nothing to do with it.
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12:20 PM on 03/13/2012
"Companies that change ownership usually face strict limits on how much of a loss they can defer. But the Treasury Department granted AIG an exemption, handing the company $17.7 billion in profit, the former panel members said."

AIG didn't change ownership. It has sold off a lot of its businesses to raise capital and it has issued a lot of new stock, but unlike GM and Chrysler it did not go through bankruptcy. It's stock price dropped from $731.33 a share four years ago to $28.30 today but it is still the same corporation and the same stock. So what exactly was Warren talking about?
01:23 PM on 03/13/2012
Yes, AIG did change ownership as defined in Section 382, until the IRS issued a new rule.

Here are the details and references:

Section 382 Limits a “loss corporation” that undergoes an “ownership change”.

– An ownership change occurs if immediately after an owner shift or an
equity structure shift - The percentage by value of stock of the loss
corporation owned by one or more 5-percent shareholders has increased by more than 50 percentage points over the lowest percentage ownership of such shareholders."
http://www.pepperlaw.com/pdfs/Reinstein_Ahlers_TEIPittsburgh382Slides041609.pdf

Treasury started with 0%, but then "Treasury now owns 1.655 billion shares of AIG common stock (approximately 92 percent of the company) and approximately $20 billion of preferred equity interests in two AIG subsidiaries."
http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/tg1024.aspx

So the limits would have kicked in, except that the IRS exempted these transactions from existing law as described in these sections:

D. Section 382 treatment of stock acquired by and redeemed from Treasury.

" For purposes of section 382, with respect to any stock ..., the ownership ... shall not be considered to have caused Treasury’s ownership in the issuing corporation to have increased over its lowest percentage owned on any earlier date. "

E. Section 382 treatment of stock sold by Treasury to public shareholders.
http://www.irs.gov/irb/2010-02_IRB/ar09.html
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03:41 PM on 03/16/2012
Thanks for the correction. I should know better than applying a common sense meaning to a term in the tax code.

The IRS issued its ruling as part of the final negotiation of the AIG restructuring. AIG could have refused to go along with the restructuring without filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Had they filed Chapter 11, under 26 USC § 382(i)(5), the change of ownership which occurred in the reorganization would not have triggered the § 382 limitations:
"(5) Title 11 or similar case
(A) In general
Subsection (a) [which imposes the limitation] shall not apply to any ownership change if—
(i) the old loss corporation is (immediately before such ownership change) under the jurisdiction of the court in a title 11 [bankruptcy] or similar case, and
(ii) the shareholders and creditors of the old loss corporation (determined immediately before such ownership change) own (after such ownership change and as a result of being shareholders or creditors immediately before such change) stock of the new loss corporation (or stock of a controlling corporation if also in bankruptcy) which meets the requirements of section 1504 (a)(2) (determined by substituting “50 percent” for “80 percent” each place it appears). [possesses at least 50% of the voting power and 50% of the total value of the stock]"

So AIG could have taken action to retain the $100 billion plus in loss carry-forwards.
11:50 AM on 03/13/2012
due to the deregulation of financial markets which happened under Clinton and Bush bankers were able to essentially create so much paper wealth threw derivatives and credit default swaps that they actually bankrupted the world, thats what happened in 2008 and the central banks have only postponed the real economic crisis that we only felt a tiny bit of 4 years ago
11:07 AM on 03/13/2012
Both parties are corrupted by money from the financial industry. Obama certainly is not the one who will impose justice on the banksters.
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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
02:47 PM on 03/13/2012
Excellent point! my buddy Bill put it this way …

“Politics in America: The Reality.

I like the puppet on the left.

The puppet on the right is more to my liking.

Holy Crap, there's one guy holding up Both puppets!

GO BACK TO BED AMERICA. YOUR GOVERNMENT IS IN CONTROL."
trusgold
Vote Straight Democrat !! No Natter What!
05:09 PM on 05/08/2012
Dodd-Frank has been gutted by the Republicans.
10:59 AM on 03/13/2012
As long as it is business as usual, we're in for another huge financial crisis in this country. Occupy America better step up it's plans or we're going down.
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10:54 AM on 03/13/2012
You don't "invest" in mortgages going bad, you bet on them and bets should never be supplemented by the taxpayer. Amazingly stupid.
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08:27 AM on 03/13/2012
Geithner at the NY Fed gave 30 of his 80 billion in a secret loan to Goldman--only discovered by a Bloomberg News Freedom of Info filing. Obama, even, may not have known about it when he appointed Geithner, but he must have known him capable of secret loans to pals.
Now Europe is literally ruled by Goldman alums--Italy's Monti, European Bank's Sdragi, GK P.M. Goldman is known for what? Sandbagging Lehman. So they have what it takes, criminal minds.
Meanwhile Clinton (m) gets a pass for sending all our jobs away with NAFTA etc. And Greenspan actually bragged about "offshoring" our whole textile industry. If he wore only a bathing suit in interviews, I could see he lived by the results of his decision. Otherwise, where's you get the threads, Alan?
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Kathy Hurd
10:28 AM on 03/13/2012
Greenspan once said that fraud was ok; this was, of course, before the financial meltdown. These "smartest guys in charge of our money - not" ae all fine. But they continue to pour our tax money down the rat hole, shile people lose homes and struggle to make ends meet. Poverty is everywhere, with many hanging on by their fingernails, and foreclosre just one paycheck away. What a hoot it would have been to see the CEO's of big banks and wall st lose their homes to foreclosure, lose their cars, and actually not know whee their next meal was coming from. Rediculous? Yes, but I can dream.
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getsit
good morning, I'm here
12:14 PM on 03/13/2012
Sorry, I was initially talking about the depression in 1929. Then about the depression now. Didn't make that clear.
trusgold
Vote Straight Democrat !! No Natter What!
05:14 PM on 05/08/2012
NAFTA was exactly what Ross Perot said it was.......
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07:21 PM on 05/08/2012
Thanks. I'd forgotten what Ross Perot said.
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Mr Nightlinger
Corporate outsourcing same as hiring illegals
08:26 AM on 03/13/2012
Why do they call these "bail outs." All they are is bonus money to keep the top guys in power so that the politicians are still hooked together with them.

It's our tax money, but it's also printed play money from the Federal Reserve which dillutes the value of everything. The U.S. dollar will eventually be worth next to nothing, and to have a salary of, say, $60K a year will mean you can barely survive, let alone own anything. It came to light at tax time that Mitt Romney makes about $60K every eight hours. The rich will get richer and richer, and the middle class will become the same as the poor. The only chance at any change or improvement is Ron Paul.
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jlmurt
08:05 AM on 03/13/2012
Who would Jesus bail out?
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Kathy Hurd
10:29 AM on 03/13/2012
Not the brood of snakes on Wall St, He'd take a whip to them. Then they'd kill him.
10:18 AM on 04/25/2012
Whoever was backing him.
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DARK STAR
One small step for Man...
07:58 AM on 03/13/2012
Never ever should have helped AIG, and bad investors should have taken it on the chin.

Insurance companies are a bigger scam than banks.
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Mr Nightlinger
Corporate outsourcing same as hiring illegals
08:28 AM on 03/13/2012
Government should not help any corporation. It should help the people, some.

Vote for Ron Paul or this country is going to stay on the same course it has been on for the past 10 years.
trusgold
Vote Straight Democrat !! No Natter What!
05:22 PM on 05/08/2012
Republicons do not want to help anyone but themselves. There is a book out reinforcing job creators do not create jobs until the middle class starts buying. If the rich would allow the middle class to once again thrive, the rich would get wealthier as would the middle class.

The Henry Ford princeple is pay your worker so they can afford to buy the very product they make.