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Afghanistan Massacre Makes Obama 'More Determined' To Leave Afghanistan

Afghanistan Massacre Obama

First Posted: 03/12/2012 11:05 pm Updated: 03/13/2012 5:14 pm


By Caren Bohan and Ahmad Nadem

WASHINGTON/KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, March 12 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Monday the massacre of 16 villagers by a U.S. soldier increases his determination to get American troops out of Afghanistan, while a U.S. official said the accused staff sergeant previously had suffered traumatic brain injury.

Sunday's shootings triggered angry calls from Afghans for an immediate American exit. Obama said there should not be a "rush to the exits" for U.S. forces who have been fighting in Afghanistan since 2001 and that the drawdown must be carried out in a responsible way.

The accused U.S. Army staff sergeant walked off his base in the southern province of Kandahar in the middle of night and gunned down at least 16 villagers, mostly women and children.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the death penalty could be sought in the U.S. military justice system against the soldier, whose name has not been publicly disclosed.

Referring to Sunday's massacre, Obama said in an interview with KDKA, a CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh: "It makes me more determined to make sure we're getting our troops home."

"It's time. It's been a decade, and, frankly, now that we've gotten (Osama) bin Laden, now that we've weakened al Qaeda, we're in a stronger position to transition than we would have been two or three years ago," Obama added, referring to the al Qaeda leader killed by U.S. forces last year in Pakistan.



The Army staff sergeant accused in the incident was treated for traumatic brain injury suffered in a vehicle rollover in 2010 during a previous deployment in Iraq, a U.S. official said. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it was premature to state whether there was any link between the brain injury and Sunday's shootings.

Panetta portrayed the shooting as an isolated event that would not alter plans for a gradual, orderly withdrawal of American combat forces by the end of 2014.

"War is hell. These kinds of events and incidents are going to take place, they've taken place in any war. They're terrible events. And this is not the first of those events, and it probably won't be the last," the U.S. defense secretary told reporters on a flight to Kyrgyzstan.

"But we cannot allow these events to undermine our strategy or the mission that we're involved in."


MY LAI COMPARISONS

Obama was pressed in another separate interview with WFTV, an ABC affiliate in Orlando, on whether there were parallels between the killing of 16 Afghan villagers and the notorious 1968 My Lai massacre of the Vietnam War.

"It's not comparable," Obama said.

"It appeared you had a lone gunman who acted on his own," he said of the Afghanistan incident. "In no way is this representative of the enormous sacrifices that our men and women have made in Afghanistan."

Panetta said the goal was to try the case within the U.S. military justice system. Asked whether the death penalty could be considered, Panetta replied: "My understanding is that in these instances that could be a consideration."

Obama and America's NATO partners intend to pull most of their troops out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014, leaving an inexperienced local army in charge. Officials in Washington denied that the killings might alter that schedule.

"I do not believe this incident will change the timetable of a strategy that was designed and is being implemented in a way to allow for the withdrawal of U.S. forces, to allow for their transfer of lead security authority over to the Afghans," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

Just days before Sunday's attack, Kabul and Washington had made significant progress in negotiations on a strategic partnership agreement that would allow American advisers and special forces to stay in Afghanistan after most foreign combat troops leave at the end of 2014.

But securing a full deal may be far more difficult now. "This could delay the signing of the Strategic Partnership Agreement," an Afghan government official told Reuters.

The attack was the latest incident to ignite Afghan anger at the United States, coming on the heels of U.S. soldiers' burning of copies of the Koran on a NATO base last month, and other incidents that have intensified America's perception problem in Afghanistan.

Panetta, answering questions for the first time about the shooting rampage, said U.S. officials were still uncertain about the motives behind it.

The accused soldier was part of the 2-3 Infantry, 3rd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, from the Lewis-McChord base in Washington state. After serving three tours in Iraq, he arrived in Afghanistan in December and has been at the Belambai base since Feb. 1.

Based on preliminary findings of a U.S. investigation into the incident, Panetta gave this account of the soldier's actions: "He went out in the early morning and went to these homes and fired on these families. And then at some point after that, came back to the forward operating base and basically turned himself in, told individuals what had happened."

U.S. officials, who have rushed to distance the shootings from the efforts of the 90,000-strong U.S. force that over the past year has beaten the Taliban back from much of southern Afghanistan, say an investigation was under way but did not know when it would conclude.

Afghanistan's parliament condemned the killings, saying Afghans had run out of patience with the actions of foreign forces and the lack of oversight. Civilian deaths have long been one of the main sources of tension between Kabul and Washington.


'LOST EVERYTHING'

"We have benefited little from the foreign troops here but lost everything - our lives, dignity and our country to them," said Haji Najiq, a Kandahar shop owner.

"The explanation or apologies will not bring back the dead. It is better for them to leave us alone and let us live in peace."

Fury over the killing spree, which brought demands that the United States withdraw earlier than scheduled, could be exploited by the Taliban to gain new recruits.

Anti-Americanism, which boiled over after the Koran-burning incident, might deepen after the Kandahar carnage.

"The Americans said they will leave in 2014. They should leave now so we can live in peace," said Mohammad Fahim, 19, a university student. "Even if the Taliban return to power our elders can work things out with them. The Americans are disrespectful."

The civilian deaths may also force Afghan President Hamid Karzai to harden his stance in the partnership talks to appease a public already critical of his government's performance.

"The Americans are not here to assist us they are here to kill us," said Najibullah, 33, a house painter in Kabul.

"I hate the Americans and I hate anyone who loves them, so I hope there is no long-term partnership between our countries."

The partnership agreement, which Washington and Kabul have been discussing for more than a year, is expected to be a framework for U.S. involvement in Afghanistan after foreign combat troops leave at the end of 2014.

The Kandahar violence came just days after the United States and Afghanistan signed a deal on the gradual transfer of a major U.S.-run detention center to Afghan authorities, overcoming one of the main sticking points in the partnership negotiations.

Afghanistan wants a timeline to take over detention centers and for the United States and NATO to agree to end night raids on Afghan homes as preconditions for signing the pact.

"Incidents such as this underscore the fact that after 10 years of war, it is time to bring our troops home as soon as we responsibly can," said U.S. Representative Adam Smith, whose congressional district includes the home base of the soldier accused in the massacre.

U.S. forces invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to topple the Taliban rulers who had harbored the al Qaeda network responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks of the United States. Kandahar is the birthplace of the Taliban.

The cost of the war has already exceeded $500 billion and more than 1,900 U.S. troops have been killed, with the total number of foreign troops killed approaching 3,000. (Additional reporting by Ahmad Haroon in KANDAHAR, Hamid Shalizi and Mirwais Harooni in KABUL; Susan Cornwell, Missy Ryan, Alister Bull, Matt Spetalnick in WASHINGTON; Michelle Nicols, Louis Charbonneau and Emily Flitter in NEW YORK; Editing by Will Dunham)

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US soldiers keep watch at the entrance of a military base near Alkozai village following the shooting of Afghan civilians allegedly committed by a rogue US soldier in Panjwayi district, Kandahar province on March 11, 2012. An AFP reporter counted 16 bodies -- including women and children -- in three Afghan houses after a rogue US soldier walked out of his base and began shooting civilians early Sunday. NATO's International Security Assistance Force said it had arrested a soldier 'in connection to an incident that resulted in Afghan casualties in Kandahar province', without giving a figure for the dead or wounded. (JANGIR/AFP/Getty Images)

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11:08 AM on 03/15/2012
asdf
12:11 AM on 03/14/2012
Obama should go there and bow down to the Afghn President and degrade America . He's good at that.
11:34 PM on 03/13/2012
Hmm...I wonder if this 'isolated incident' will make Muslims forget about 'Burning' those Korans?'

Hmm...I remember an 'isolated incident' with a Muslim who decided to 'shoot up' Ft. Hood about three years ago!

Hmm...Now, you don't hear MUCH about him in the MSM....do you? I wonder why?????
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Cicero Hood
12:17 AM on 03/14/2012
Uhhh... because it was three years ago?
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12:51 AM on 03/14/2012
no because the mediyuh quickly moved due to his name and religion .
10:50 AM on 03/14/2012
Hmm...Cicero Hood. Could you be from Cicero in Chicago? Just wondering...notice my name - Stateville (Joliet, max-joint). Yeah, you're a wannabe bad! Not to worry though, Muslims have a huge following in the max-joint!

During Ramadan, you get to eat 'late'..LOL....
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Help me Rhonda......
12:27 AM on 03/14/2012
Hmm...I remember an 'isolated incident' with a Muslim who decided to 'shoot up' Ft. Hood about three years ago! Hmm...Now, you don't hear MUCH about him in the MSM....do you? I wonder why?????

because the president and the justice department (eric holder) care more about his rights as a muslim and not wanting to offend muslims, than the honor of the dead that he killed. btw, three hmm's is just too many.
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12:52 AM on 03/14/2012
hasan was still drawing pay and might still be as the last posting on this was just a week ago.
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mcneas1005
11:04 PM on 03/13/2012
America can't convince the blacks in America which commit over 85 % of crimes to live like civilized people, yet they are trying to change the people in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to become civil.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
11:53 PM on 03/13/2012
A little Biased there are you..
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mcneas1005
08:49 AM on 03/14/2012
No biase at all. Just true facts.
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Help me Rhonda......
12:29 AM on 03/14/2012
damn, that is like 1865 way of thinking. if it is possible for you, try to move it up some, this is 2012.
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mcneas1005
08:51 AM on 03/14/2012
Some people can't accept the truth and live in denial.
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Dan Crabtree
10:57 PM on 03/13/2012
HUMMM... HOW ABOUT AMERICAS MASSACRE MR PRESIDENT YOU DO REMEMBER THAT DO YOU NOT....iN 2009 A MUSLIM AMERICAN MAJOR SLAUGTERED 12 AMERICANS YOU REMEMBER YOU CALLED IT A WORKPLACE SHOOTING AT THE TIME THEY DIED..AND YOUR WONDERFIL ATTORNEY GENERAL REFUSES TO BRING THIS JIHADIST MUSLIM TO TRIAL..YOU DO REMEMBER. RIGHT.. MR. PRESIDENT.. HELLO.. ANYONE THERE????..
12:13 AM on 03/14/2012
Obama could care less.
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Cicero Hood
12:19 AM on 03/14/2012
Are you deliberately trying to sound like an eight-year-old, or is that just a natural gift?
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12:52 AM on 03/14/2012
it's well past your bedtime,eh ?
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10:34 PM on 03/13/2012
'Out here due process is a bullet'.

Col. Mike Kirby
Firebase Dodge City,1966
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12:53 AM on 03/14/2012
and should have been applied to maj hasan while he was still firing.
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Im always Right..U will agree!
10:23 PM on 03/13/2012
its time for another bow and apology tour..get your knee pads on obama.
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Richard58
11:10 PM on 03/13/2012
GOOFBALL ALERT no. 3!
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11:26 PM on 03/13/2012
get your lips ready, O.
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10:20 PM on 03/13/2012
Obama is unworthy and incapable of leading this nations military. Clinton giving him a pat on the back is such a joke.
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Richard58
11:09 PM on 03/13/2012
2nd GOOFBALL ALERT!
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
12:09 AM on 03/14/2012
Pirates gone, Bin Laden gone, Qaddafi gone, Iraq war over, military budget getting under control, South Korea being protected, obsolete military training and weapons systems being eliminated, new up-to-date technology being phased in, DADT gone, more VA benefits and Veteran Health Care initiated, and about four dozen other items accomplished; Seems to me that he is doing a reasonably good job of cleaning up the world's messes.
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10:20 PM on 03/13/2012
So, if a US soldier murdering innocent Afghans makes Obama more determined to pull out, would that be an incentive for more acts like this?
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
12:11 AM on 03/14/2012
Only if you want it to be.... But the facts are that these illegal Bush wars have created a very nasty world with a few million people that once 'liked' America and American to develop into a very strong 'dislike' for America and Americans.
01:15 AM on 03/14/2012
They've never liked America. We were just not in their faces before. They not only killed 3000 innocent people...but continue to masacre their own. Animals.
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01:01 AM on 03/14/2012
this story gets more and more bizarre well beyond a soldier strolling off base,armed and with some flammable liquid and waltzing into houses all in a nights work--no one could take him down ? they're not unarmed/disarmed and the same for his entries--no reports on forced entry either.
now they're saying thay alcohol might be involved---how ? you can't even send out a slim jim etc overseas APO/FP due to OUR resepct of THEIR LAWS.
10:18 PM on 03/13/2012
May be a better time to end this war at the end of 2012.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
12:12 AM on 03/14/2012
Why?
02:13 AM on 03/14/2012
the people in here US getting sicker hearing more war casualty and incidents like this and I bet you they are sicker over there since they have to live through it everyday and for one thing Obama promised to end the war during his initial campaign and many now thinks he is not what they had thought initially when voted for him.just look at the recent polls he is looking to be a one time term president although economy and stock markets doing better but not for many voters who believed in his campaign slogan "vote for a change" because they must wait 3 years to see his promise to end the war and see him likely to start 2 more and enconomy not doing so well for initial popular voters.
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what ! again?
10:14 PM on 03/13/2012
obama or,("clay, barry"), is a muslim. how many christians change their names to become christian. how many muslims change their name when becoming muslim? all who come from other religions or countries which aren't muslim are given new muslim names. this is nothing new! this has always happened. obama in pakistan became muslim and was given a muslim name!!! case slosed! p. in ga.
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Richard58
11:08 PM on 03/13/2012
GOOFBALL ALERT!
12:17 AM on 03/14/2012
Your replies are getting OLD.
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Help me Rhonda......
12:31 AM on 03/14/2012
GOOFBALL ALERT!

you are so articulate.
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mac2jr
The truth always wins out
12:13 AM on 03/14/2012
Most Hawaiians are from where? Oh, yes, the USA... They have been part of it for about 50 years.
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01:10 AM on 03/14/2012
and who's a hawaiian ? LOL--up until a little while ago basically anyone could get a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH which is not in any way shape or form the long form birth certificate .
all you needed was one "witness" to verify your date and time and pay the fee.
of course that's all changed NOW. LOL !!!!
10:14 PM on 03/13/2012
The gunmen shot from long range at two of President Hamid Karzai's brothers, Shah Wali Karzai and Abdul Qayum Karzai, and security officials at the site of the massacre in Kandahar's Panjwai district. Karzai's brothers were unharmed in the brief battle, which began during meetings with local people at a mosque near Najiban and Alekozai villages, but a soldier was killed and a civilian wounded. The area is a Taliban stronghold and a supply route.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/afghanistan-suspected-insurgents-open-fire_n_1341563.html

The accused U.S. Army staff sergeant walked off his base in the southern province of Kandahar in the middle of night and gunned down at least 16 villagers, mostly women and children.

The area is a Taliban stronghold and a supply route.
wonder why he just went on a mission by himself.
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01:12 AM on 03/14/2012
BINGO--and simply strolled through shooting here there walking on ,with nobody stopping him and strolls back to the base ? and of course all doors left unsecured,nobody wakes up etc.
taliban property so to say-
what's this guys name ?
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10:03 PM on 03/13/2012
The US has always backed Israel. Just over a year ago a Rabbi detailed why it's justfiied to kill babies in a book called “The complete guide to killing non-Jews”

Is there a chance the killing of these people reduced a threat to Isreal? That would ultimately justify it. Right?

Rabbi Od Yosef Hai yeshiva says "Also, anyone who weakens our own state by word or similar action is considered a pursuer…Hindrances—babies are found many times in this situation. They block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.”

http://coteret.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/
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12:32 AM on 03/14/2012
one rabbi.... doesn't make a country. try something else.
09:54 PM on 03/13/2012
the war in Afghanistan should be ended at the end of 2012 or even sooner and what are we waiting to happen more incidents till to get forced out while there are few more Al Qaeda and Talibans figures which the Aghanistan government can take care of after 10 years training and they can deal with the Talibans fighters and the strange things is that Mullah Omar has not been seen since he went into his hide out and other than couple reports him being reported killed he has not re-appeared any where to prove if he is still alive for the Talibans fighters.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/01/taliban-in-turmoil-over-mullah-omar-letter.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/142475/20110507/taliban-omar.htm
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09:46 PM on 03/13/2012
If you are moving furniture out of a house and it catches fire, you don't keep on moving furniture even as the owner of the house urges you to keep working. There comes a point where the ferocity of the blaze says to you "Time to go."