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Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai Blasts U.S. Over Probe Into Shootings: 'It Is By All Means The End Of The Rope Here'

By DEB RIECHMANN and AMIR SHAH 03/16/12 08:56 PM ET AP

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai speaks during a press conference at the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan, Sunday, Feb. 26, 2012. (AP Photo/Musadeq Sadeq)

KABUL, Afghanistan — Warning he's at the "end of the rope" over civilian casualties, Afghanistan's president angrily accused the U.S. of not sharing information about how an American soldier allegedly shot and killed 16 Afghans in two villages.

The incident has reverberated through the already complicated relations between the U.S. and Afghanistan, endangering talks over a long-term relationship after most U.S. and NATO combat troops withdraw by the end of 2014.

The attorney for the accused soldier said Friday that the suspect is 38-year-old Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, from Washington state.

The military had earlier declined to name the suspect. A senior U.S. official said Friday it was Bales, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation into an incident that has roiled relations with Afghanistan.

John Henry Browne, a defense attorney from Seattle, confirmed his client's identity.

Bales has not yet been charged. He was being flown Friday from Kuwait to a military detention center in the U.S.

In an emotional meeting with relatives of the shooting victims, Karzai said the villagers' accounts of the massacre were widely different from the scenario depicted by U.S. military officials. The relatives and villagers insisted that it was impossible for one gunmen to kill nine children, four men and three women in three houses of two villages near a U.S. combat outpost in southern Afghanistan.

Karzai pointed to one of the villagers from Panjwai district of Kandahar province and said:

"In his family, in four rooms people were killed – children and women were killed – and then they were all brought together in one room and then set on fire. That, one man cannot do."

Karzai said the delegation he sent to Kandahar province to investigate the shootings did not receive the expected cooperation from the United States. He said many questions remained about what occurred, and he would be raising the questions with the U.S. military "very loudly."

The U.S. military had no comment on Karzai's remarks.

The Afghan leader stressed that he wants a good relationship with the international community, but that it was becoming increasingly difficult in light of airstrikes that miss their targets, leaving civilians dead and raising opposition to night operations where troops raid homes looking for insurgents.

"This has been going on for too long," he said at the presidential palace. "You have heard me before. It is by all means the end of the rope here. ... This form of activity, this behavior cannot be tolerated. It is past, past, past the time."

NATO has said that night operations have been instrumental in rounding up midlevel commanders and Taliban bomb makers. The coalition says more than 90 percent of night operations are done alongside Afghan forces and that more than 85 percent are conducted without any shots fired.

The United Nations has reported that last year was the deadliest on record for civilians in the Afghan war, with 3,021 killed as insurgents ratcheted up violence with suicide attacks and roadside bombs.

The U.N. attributed 77 percent of the deaths to insurgent attacks and 14 percent to actions by international and Afghan troops. Nine percent of cases were classified as having an unknown cause.

On Thursday, Karzai demanded that international forces pull out of rural areas because the fight was not in the villages.

Afghan officials said Karzai made his request to immediately pull back from the villages during a meeting on Thursday with U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

U.S. officials said, however, that he did not tell Panetta that it should happen immediately.

Karzai said his demand for a withdrawal from villages was a topic of a phone call he received Friday morning from President Barack Obama.

"Yesterday, I said clearly that the Americans should leave our villages," Karzai said. "This morning, Obama called regarding this issue. He asked, 'Did you announce this?' I said, "Yes, I announced it.'"

Karzai's office and the White House issued statements recounting the phone call.

Both said the two leaders discussed Karzai's long-standing concerns about night raids and house searches and they agreed to finish negotiations on a memorandum of understanding to resolve the issues. They agreed to further discuss Karzai's concern about the presence of foreign troops in Afghan villages, both statements said.

On an unrelated matter, Obama congratulated Karzai and his wife on the birth of their daughter. Karzai also has a 5-year-old son, Mirwais.

Bales, the shooting suspect, was being taken to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, the military's only maximum-security prison.

Officials say that transfer was necessary because there was no appropriate detention facility to hold him in Afghanistan.

The passage through Kuwait angered conservatives in the Gulf Arab nation, where the U.S. military has thousands of troops stationed. Kuwait has become an increasingly important strategic location for U.S. forces in the region after the American withdrawal from Iraq.

Islamist lawmaker Waleed Tabtabaei was quoted by the Kuwait newspaper Al-Rai saying the stopover was unacceptable and the U.S. should "stop treating Kuwait like its backyard." In an apparent nod to such sentiments, the Kuwait military statement underlined that the suspect was not questioned while on Kuwaiti soil.

Dealing another blow to the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan, the Taliban on Thursday said they were calling off talks with the Americans, charging that the U.S. had failed to follow through on its promises and had made new demands. The militant group also said the U.S. falsely claimed that it had entered into multilateral negotiations that included the Afghan government.

Karzai said Friday that the Taliban should be talking directly with his government.

The moves represent new setbacks to America's strategy for ending the 10-year-old war at a time when support at home for the conflict is plummeting.

Part of the U.S. exit strategy is to transfer authority gradually to Afghan forces. Another tack is to pull the Taliban and other militant factions into political discussions with the Afghan government, though it's unclear whether there has been any progress since January.

Prospective peace talks have not gained traction, according to longtime Afghan warlord, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a former Afghan prime minister who has been branded a terrorist by Washington. U.S. and Afghan officials have had talks with representatives of Hekmatyar.

"As far as I know, there haven't been any hopeful negotiations between the United States and their opposition, or the Afghan government with the mujahedeen or the Taliban," Hekmatyar told 1TV, a private Afghan television station, in an interview broadcast on Thursday.

U.S. discussions with Hekmatyar have been described as nascent and exploratory. Still, in addition to getting the blessing of Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar – a bitter rival of Hekmatyar even though both are fighting international troops – any peace deal would likely have to be supported by Hekmatyar, who has thousands of fighters and followers primarily in the north and east.

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Associated Press writers Heidi Vogt and Sebastian Abbot contributed to this report from Kabul. Robert Burns in Washington and Lolita C. Baldor also contributed.

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mgrl2360
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06:05 PM on 03/18/2012
ummm do people forget why we are over there? we aren't doing some huge favor for the afgan people, we are over there for our own interest in disbaning the Taliban. we are doing this because they came on US soil crased two planes in NYC. but we found out it's tough to fight a bunch of rats who sit in holes, and occupy innocent people's homes. the afgans aren't the enemy. and this "hero" shot nine children point blank and set others on fire. if it were someone in the US who did this we'd be screaming for his head.
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valeskas
catlover/book lover democrat
01:38 PM on 03/18/2012
Bring our soldiers home now, we are fighting a war over there, which is not our war to fight. Those people don't want our help, so why stay over there and have more of our soldiers killed. While I feel real bad for the killings of these civilians by a soldier from our country, I also feel that these soldiers have been too long and to often in a country, where they are not wanted and become because of the war, more violent, we need to protect these sons, mothers,fathers, daughters of us need to come home, they fight for nothing over there.
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Julie Ross Birmingham
10:53 AM on 03/18/2012
Ha he is at the end of his rope. Well let me tell you this ..we are at the end of our rope. People of the United States of America want our men and women home now. Another comment on being at the end of his rope: When we leave you will really find yourself at the end of a real rope.
I predict this without a doubt in my mind. Again President Obama bring those men and women home now.
09:55 AM on 03/18/2012
President Karzai swep into the room with the curtains draped over his shoulders and said........
09:25 AM on 03/18/2012
Karzai won't be able to steal any more of our money if we leave and to talk about the UNITED STATES like he did maybe he should have been along with the others everytime there is something that happens in these countries we protect them lets start right here in America Protecting the U.S.
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valeskas
catlover/book lover democrat
01:39 PM on 03/18/2012
And after the war ends over there and those talibans will come for him, don't give him asylum in the USA.
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AlfredE69
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08:25 AM on 03/18/2012
Fight your own war Hamid. Be a man, get a weapon and fight. I'm tired of our soldiers defending your criminal enterprise.
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valeskas
catlover/book lover democrat
01:40 PM on 03/18/2012
He thinks he is the king over there.
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AlfredE69
Liberty Lovin' Tree Hugger
08:52 PM on 03/19/2012
Then he should definitely fight! Some dessert fatigues, maybe he could follow Gen Patton with a ivory handled Colt .45 Peacemaker holstered. I don't know if he'd wear boots like Patton since it's hot, but if he did they'd be M1943 boots.
07:40 AM on 03/18/2012
I think best way our army, air force and navy should leave now or give to 6 months for ready leave and left them alone also let thier own.
02:41 AM on 03/18/2012
????????????
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MUDPUPTN3
01:37 AM on 03/18/2012
They're at the end of their rope, good!! Thats got to be the best news we've heard in years from Afghanistan!! Give that SSG a medal and bring the rest of them home too,ASAP!!
12:51 AM on 03/18/2012
Many of you don't agree, and thats ok, but the 911 killings of innocents is still a sore spot for me.... The training fields and camps were based mostly in Afghanistan . I can't imagine the horrors those people from 911 went through, the slow deaths and being burnt while alive. The people I can still see jumping from upper windows . The Firefighters and Police Officers who lost there lives because of these cowards.... I feel terrible for the 16 killed, and may God or Allah be with them, but I also remember the terrior that Al Q. caused America and the Taliban is just about as bad.......
01:55 AM on 03/18/2012
I hear you. At the same time I cannot imagine to punish a whole country. Do you know how many Afghans have been killed that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. Thousands are dead, children and women, young and old. Don't you think they have such a hate inside them to do anything to hurt and kill Americans ? 9/11 was bad, no doubt. But instead of going after the suspects with a police force, the USA has reacted like a rabid dog. The attackers all came from Saudi Arabia. Was there evere any pressure on Saudi Arabia ? Not at all. Or the USA feels free to send drones into Pakistan that have killed civilians, a measure not justified by any international law. Pakistan government is corrupt, takes a lot of money and looks the other way. But I guess many average Pakistanis must also hate the USA for that. As long as the USA continues to act outside international law, they should not be surprised when "insurgents" defend themselves.
03:32 AM on 03/18/2012
As horrible as the suffering on 911 was, it doesn't in any way justify inflicting still MORE suffering on other innocent people.
11:36 PM on 03/17/2012
TELL WASHINGTON: TO TAKE ALL THOSE BILLIONS IN AIDE FOR AFGANASTAN, AND PUT IT BACK INTO SOCIAL SECURITY. THE MONEY THEY STOLD OUT OF SOCIAL SECURITY, WAS A TRUST FUND, THAT ALL OF US AMERICANS PUT INTO, A FUND FOR OUR RETIREMENT. LYDON JOHNSON GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. BRING OUR KIDS HOME. WHERE IS JUSTICE. THE RICH KEEP GETTING RICHER AND THE POOR KEEP GETTING POORER.
11:00 PM on 03/17/2012
Karzai says, "... in four rooms people were killed – children and women were killed – and then they were all brought together in one room and then set on fire. That, one man cannot do."

"That, one man cannot do."!?! Really? You've never seen a really pissed-off American soldier, have you Mr. Karzai? Wanna know what's next, Chum? Don't ask; just run!
10:57 PM on 03/17/2012
No more American blood,no more American money,no more American anything. How many time do we have to be told to get out??? Within 6 mos Al-quida will be back in control and they can deal with it. We keep them out of our counrty by closing our borders to any from that part of the world. Let them fight among themselves all because of some relative of Mohamouds that was killed by his brother-in -law 8 hundred years ago( or what ever the story of why the Shites hate the Sunni's is)
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10:54 PM on 03/17/2012
Kick us out Karzai. Pretty please.
10:42 PM on 03/17/2012
You place a person in the middle of carnage, amidst hate, and anger, where all you do is for naught, thern question why . Lets get out now the whole of that rat hole is not worth one more single American. OUT NOW!