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Abortion Bill: Arizona GOP Legislator Says Women Should Witness Abortions

Posted: 03/20/2012 6:57 pm Updated: 03/20/2012 7:00 pm

A Republican state legislator in Arizona reportedly wrote an email to a constituent saying that women should witness an abortion before having an abortion.

The email published on a political blog on the Arizona Republic's website Tuesday is apparently from State Rep. Terri Proud (R-Tucson) and appears to have been sent from a state email, the paper said.

The email was in response to a constituent who said she emailed Proud and fellow lawmakers to let them know she opposed the bill pending in the Legislature that would ban abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy. The site reports that the email is unedited.

"Personally I'd like to make a law that mandates a woman watch an abortion being performed prior to having a "surgical procedure". If it's not a life it shouldn't matter, if it doesn't harm a woman then she shouldn't care, and don't we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else.

Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain - I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living - I will be voting YES."

An aide in Proud's Phoenix office told The Huffington Post that Proud was performing legislative duties and unavailable for immediate comment. She has not returned a message left with her office.

The email is drawing quick criticism from Democratic lawmakers.

"This is another instance of them going off the deep end on this," House Minority Leader Chad Campbell (D-Phoenix) told HuffPost. "This is a continued attack on women's health care and women's choice. I wonder if Representative Proud would agree with this on every surgical procedure. This is ludicrous."

Campbell said he hopes Proud was not serious in her email and would not be proposing it as an amendment to the bill.

Rep. Matt Heinz (D-Tucson), a physician, said Tuesday Proud's email shows a misunderstanding of laws and procedures governing medicine and medical education. Heinz said there are laws in place to prevent spectators from watching surgery, which would include abortions. He also suggested that Proud consider other issues.

"My only response is for this Legislature to stop this embarrassing obsession with social issues that do not create a single job in our state," said Heinz, who also characterized the email as a "hodgepodge of crazy."

In addition to the abortion ban, the Arizona Legislature is considering bills to defund Planned Parenthood, allow doctors to withhold information from patients to prevent abortions, and to allow employers to opt out of contraception coverage for religious reasons. The contraception bill also would allow employers to demand women provide reasons for why they are using birth control and allow for firing if it is for nonmedical reasons.

Proud is known as one of the more conservative members of the Legislature and earlier this month passed a bill to allow public schools to teach the Bible as an elective class.

Campbell said though that the email could be revealing a liberal bent in his colleague. "Talk about big government, that's the epitome of big government," Campbell said. "This is getting out of hand."

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DrObvious 10:51 PM on 03/20/2012
State Rep. Terri Proud (R-Tucson).   What a fool.   May she never be raped, or have a stillborn, or any number of tragic circumstances that sometimes require abortion.

Do they require Arizona folks to witness executions when they needle up one of their death-row folks with the death cocktail, so people understand the consequences of their penal system?

Do they require  Read More...
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tribalogical
FANTASYLAND is over there, on the right.
06:37 AM on 06/27/2012
The kind of thing that could only be suggested by a man (and a plainly ignorant one at that).

As if having an abortion is some pleasant holiday experience the lady is looking forward to, and must be discouraged from, to begin with.

NO, the decision is NEVER easy. Never "fun". Never "convenient". It's a heart-wrenching, emotional, physically uncomfortable, HORRIBLE experience… but one that goes up against the "no exchange, no return" life-altering prospect of bearing a child. If that child is unwanted, then how can we impose such a thing upon an unwilling "mother"?

Believe it or not, I'm completely against abortion. I want it stopped. It's a terrible thing on so many levels, and needs to end.

BUT... We only get to do that AFTER we have provided 100% effective ways to prevent Unwanted Pregnancy. Because that's the real problem, not abortion.

Eliminate unwanted pregnancy, eliminate abortion. That simple. Let's get to work on that!

Meanwhile, this "sex is wrong outside marriage" morality spilling over onto our legislation is an imposition of one view over another, the imposition of religion onto government. It's also part of the problem. Stop abortion but ALSO prevent contraception? Are you nuts??

This also has to stop!
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tribalogical
FANTASYLAND is over there, on the right.
06:27 AM on 06/27/2012
OK, we'll give you that if you include another law:

Before you eat that next steak, chicken breast, or ham sandwich, you and all of your constituents and fellow Congress folk must BY LAW visit one of those factory meat farms, and see how the animals live and are treated, then watch the slaughtering process and the meat-packing process and the other processing (the kind that results in stuff like "pink slime"), end to end…

Then you get to eat the meat you think you know and love.

DEAL?

You go first…… then come back and tell us if you still want your law to be enacted.
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DianeRPCFL
03:23 PM on 06/14/2012
Here we are in the 21st century still debating birth control and women's right to choose. These regressive ideological debates are a direct reflection of religion's efforts to grab hold of our government - in violation of the US Constitution - and turn this country into a theocracy with an entrenched form of christof@$cist sharia law in which women are just another powerless life form used for the personal satisfaction of her male master.
07:29 PM on 04/12/2012
What's next Arizona? Virginity tests witnessed by magistrates? Jail sentences for adultery? Really are you all sure your are not installing Sharia law? Because you are starting to sound like it.....
05:45 PM on 03/22/2013
It'll be okay, though - they're gonna make the burkas optional....
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Maxedaddy
Leftwing extremist!
06:57 PM on 04/10/2012
I'm just curious as to how they plan on administering these "Event Horizon", law violations? They must have some speculatron, divining rod thingy or something.
09:44 PM on 04/03/2012
Planned barrenhood does not want you to know the truth....
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Maxedaddy
Leftwing extremist!
06:58 PM on 04/10/2012
The truth that Republicans have been hijacked by religious right wing extremists? That's no secret! Hence this bill!
12:06 AM on 03/31/2012
What an Idiotic bill! anyone that votes for this needs a brain transplant!! It should be up to the one woman, no one else should dictate what she wants to do! They should not have to view it what will be done. I don't even want to see what it looks like to have a tooth extraction or a filling, but still needs to be done. There are cases where when a woman does not want a baby, is unable to get an abortion she will go to extreme cases to abort it even it it could lead to suicide. Stop Picking away at personal freedom to do what one wants to do to have a healthy lifestyle.
01:05 PM on 04/25/2012
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01:18 AM on 03/25/2012
She didn't come up with this idea all by herself. I found a website that specifically calls for this. They've all been given specific instructions. There's also an article on guidelines during the election season. I first saw it on a website called priestsoflife.org. Another is from The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.Look to the left of the page here:
http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/

Unbelievable!
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Emereaux
Cerca trova
03:39 PM on 03/24/2012
Clearly another Republican who doesn't understand the law, and continues to practice medicine without a license.
10:51 AM on 03/23/2012
What a f*%king idiot!!!!! I wish the Anonymous hackers would turn their attention to Arizona and start digging up dirt on all these idiot politicians to get them out of office and we can replace them with people who actually have a brain!

I'm ashamed to live in Arizona!
10:47 AM on 03/23/2012
What a f*%ing idiot!!!!!
08:27 PM on 03/22/2012
Abortion is legal in this country, has been since the 70s, I doubt it will ever not be. If a woman decides to have one, she will find a way. I see nothing wrong with her witnessing another woman do it first by law though. Because If you are unable to witness another woman having her child ripped to pieces, how will you be able to live with yopurself when you pay a doctor to do it to yours. Do you think that people only become human once they leave the womb, and that their life means nothing till a few seconds after the doctor says "its a girl" ?
12:07 AM on 03/23/2012
Its not a child. Its called a Fetus.
01:06 AM on 03/25/2012
So when is the magical moment a fetus becomes a human being its not ok to kill? tell us oh magical wizard.
11:54 AM on 03/26/2012
IT is a LIFE. A cell. Amoeba is a LIFE, too. Abortion = killing = taking a life.
Mountain Momma
Seemed like a good idea at the time
12:14 AM on 03/23/2012
I gave birth by c-section and there's no way in the world I would have wanted to see that. So does that mean I should never have been allowed to get pregnant a second time? I've also had knee surgery and my gall bladder removed - should I have had to witness those first as well?
Nobody's forcing an abortion on you ... oh wait, going by your photo, that's a physical impossibility. I think all men wanting a vasectomy should have to watch one first. I mean, there's a lot of risk there. One slip of the scalpel ... informed consent is good, right?
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TruthHurtsPPL
"The truth is rarely pure and never simple"
07:15 PM on 03/23/2012
Thank you! Finally someone being logical. A lot of people pass out at the sight of blood, if they had to witness a surgery they needed before hand they might run for the hills. This has nothing to do with guilt and it's asinine to think that it does.
Emereaux
Cerca trova
03:44 PM on 03/24/2012
Mountain Momma, I agree with you! I also believe that all men seeking Viagra and all who are currently taking it should have to watch treatment for an "erection that lasts more than 4 hours".

Pretty gruesome stuff, but men clearly don't understand the consequences of their private medical decisions unless we show it to them. ;-)
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George Global
Diogenes has left the building
06:03 PM on 03/22/2012
Obviously, rep. Proud is waiting to witness a brain implantation before getting one herself.
09:02 AM on 03/23/2012
Ok... that was really funny Hahaha
05:47 PM on 03/22/2012
AZ clearly outstrips TX, LA, AL and Mississippi for being the most backward, ignorant state in the Union. To heck with a wall between the US and Mexico, I say we build a wall around AZ.