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Electric Cars Are Too Expensive For Most Americans

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First Posted: 03/21/2012 12:01 am Updated: 03/21/2012 6:23 pm


* EVs to make up only 1.5 pct of US market in 2017-analyst

* Henry Ford bought his wife electric cars

* Obama wants to boost consumer EV subsidies by a third

By Ben Klayman

DETROIT, March 21 (Reuters) - Scott Kluth has a love-hate relationship with his new Fisker Karma luxury electric sedan.

The 34-year-old car lover bought the plug-in hybrid electric Karma in December for $107,850, but five days later the car's battery died as he was driving in downtown Chicago. While the car he affectionately calls a "head turner" was fixed in a recall, Klut h remains uncertain how much he will drive it.

"I just want a car that works," Kluth said. "It's a fun car to drive. It's just that I've lost confidence in it."

The Karma's problems -- one vehicle died during testing by Consumer Reports this month -- f ollow bad publicity arising from a probe of General Motors Co's Chevrolet Volt and weak sales of the car, and the closure or bankruptcy of several electric vehicle-related start-ups.

The unrelenting bad news has led to questions about the readiness of electric cars and raises fresh doubts about a technology that has around since the late 1890s but still struggling to win over the public.

Whether electric vehicles can find an audience beyond policymakers in Washington and Hollywood celebrities depends on lowering vehicle prices wi thout selling cars at a loss, an alysts and industry executives say, whi le ext ending driving range to make the cars competitive with their gasoline-powered peers.

"It's going to be a slow slog," said John O'Dell, senior green car editor a t industry research firm E dmunds.com. "Maybe there's too much expectation of more and quicker success than might realistically be expected of a brand new technology."

He also questioned whether priorities will simply change for whomever is U.S. president after the November election. Electric v ehicles could lose tax breaks -- currently worth $7,500 a vehicle for buyers -- particularly if a Republican ends up in the White House.


Edmunds expects pure electric cars and plug-in hybrids to make up only 1.5 percent of the U.S. market in 2017, compared with 0.1 percent last year, and O'Dell said that may be optimistic. Consumers charge all-electric cars by plugging into an outlet, while hybrid versions include a gasoline engine.

President Barack Obama's administration has been a strong proponent of e lectric vehicles l ike the Volt and set a goal of getting 1 million battery-powered vehicles on the road by 2015. Lux Research estimates that number will actually be fewer than 200,000. Both the Volt and Karma's development were supported by low-interest federal loans.

That has not dissuaded automakers, many of which plan to launch electric vehicles to j oin the Volt and Nissan's all-electric Leaf in a bid to meet rising fuel efficiency standards. Toyota has begun selling a plug-in Prius, and EVs from Ford, Honda, BMW and Fiat will join the fray this year, along with cars from start-ups Tesla and Coda Automotive.


HENRY FORD'S WIFE

Electric cars aren't a new concept. Henry Ford bought his wife, Clara, at least two electric cars in the early 1900s offering at best 50 miles driving range and top speeds of about 35 miles per hour, according to the Henry Ford Museum.

But analysts said automakers have not done a good enough job getting the costs down and explaining the technology to win over anyone beyond early adopters like actor Leonardo DiCaprio, pop idol Justin Bieber, comedian Jay Leno and former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell.

"You can do all the advertising and promotion you want, but if people don't buy into the message the needle's not going to move," said George Cook, a marketing professor at the University of Rochester's business school and a former Ford executive.

The Volt, at almost $40,000 before federal subsidies, is seen as too expensive by many critics. Fiat-Chrysler Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, a long-time EV skeptic, has said Chrysler will lose more than $10,000 on every battery-powered Fiat 500 it sells.

And even with rising gasoline prices -- topping $4 a gallon in parts of the country -- EVs a re just n ot competitive, according to the Lundberg Survey. Gasoline prices would have to rise to $8.53 a gallon to make the Leaf competitive and hit $12.50 for a Volt to be worth it, base d on the cost of gasoline versus electricity, fuel efficiency and depreciation, the s urvey said.

Obama's vision, which he laid out at a Daimler truck plant in North Carolina this month, includes a car battery that costs half the price of today's versions and can go up to 300 miles on a single charge. The industry is far from achieving that.

Since last fall, there has been a run of bad news for EVs, starting with the late November news t hat U.S. safety regulators were investigating the Volt for possible battery fires.

While the federal investigation was closed with the conclusion there was no defect and the car did not pose a greater risk of fire than gas-powered vehicles, weak demand led GM to halt production for five weeks and temporarily lay off 1,300 workers at the plant that builds the car. GM, which strengthened the structural protection of the Volt battery, has repeatedly said the car is safe, and some said t he safety probe should have never occurred.

The Karma that died during testing by Consumer Reports magazine was another blow following a recall of more than 200 o f the cars la st year and the halting of sales in January for a software issue. Fis ker, which builds the Karma in Finland, also suspended work last month at its U.S. plant scheduled to make another car, the Nina sedan, whi le it works to renegotiate a $529 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy.

Fisker spokesman Roger Ormisher said problems can arise with new technologies and a new company but added Fisker had gone "beyond the call of duty" in instituting a system to respond to customer issues and had plenty of satisfied owners. CEO Tom LaSorda in a letter to Karma owners last week said Fisker was committed to giving customers "complete peace of mind" and he had created a "SWAT team" of 50 engineers and consultants to identify issues with the car.


'FIRST LAW OF DISNEY'

"The expectations have always been too high for electric cars," said Bill Reinert, Toyota's U.S. manager for advanced technology. "The realities have always been clouded by the dreams. I like to say it's the first law of thermodynamics versus the first law of Disney. Disney is wishing it w ill be so. It do esn't work." Toyota has always been skeptical EVs would quickly boost its share of the auto market.

Meanwhile, several companies have struggled due to lack of funding or customer troubles.

A123 Systems posted a wider-than-expected fourth-quarter loss this month after Fisker, one of its largest customers, cut battery orders. Bright Automotive, an Indiana electric commercial truck start-up, closed its doors in February after failing to get a federal loan.

Ener1 Inc, which received a $118.5 million federal grant to make lithium-ion batteries for EVs, filed for bankruptcy in January, and Aptera Motors, a California-based EV start-up, went out of business last December after it couldn't raise $80 million in private funding.

"There will be more companies that fail, but it's no different than Internet companies," said Kristen Helsel, vice president of EV solutions for AeroVironment, which makes EV charging stations for BMW, Mitsubishi and Nissan. "People with the right business model are going to do fine."

A number of top national retail chains, including Kohl's and Walgreen, have begun installing charging stations at their stores, bu t critics say the U.S. push for electric cars has come before such infrastructure is in place, weakening the case for consumers to be attracted to the technology.

But since the bankruptcy of Solyndra, a solar panel maker that received $535 million in U.S. loan guarantees, federal support for advanced vehicle technology programs has ground to a halt. Ind ustry officials and analysts point to tightened U.S. Department of Energy requirements in the face of withering criticism from Republicans about the Obama administration's generosity for anything related to green technology.

"There was certainly a different energy level one year ago, even two years ago," said Oliver Hazimeh, sustainable transportation practice leader for PricewaterhouseCoopers. "This year, it just had a different drumbeat." Hazimeh sees long-term demand for EVs rising to up to 9 percent of the global market by 2022, but h e predicts there will be some setbacks along the way.

Obama wants to increase the tax subsidies for buyers of electric vehicles to $10,000 per vehicle from the current $7,500. Bu t c ritics say the small EV sales totals tell the real story.

Complicating matters, automakers continue to squeeze increased fuel efficiency out of the internal combustion engine. That makes it tougher to make EV sticker prices attractive enough to put a dent in the traditional gasoline-powered vehicles' domi nation of the market. [ID: nN1E7AE04G]

The EV's industry's struggles have vindicated the more deliberate approach taken by Toyota, Ford and C hrysler's M archionne, who killed plans for a Chrysler electric car, analysts said.

Still, proponents say electric-car sales will grow just like Toyota's hybrid Prius rose from about 5,500 in its U.S. debut in 2000 to a peak of more than 180,000 in 2007.

Doug Parks, GM's chief Volt engineer, said the proof is in the large amounts of money automakers are spending on EV technology development.

"Follow the money. People are investing huge in this stuff," h e said. " This is a 10- or 20-year discussion and we've been selling the Volt for a year."

GM, which recently launched a new advertising campaign centered on testimonials by adoring Volt owners, has made the car the centerpiece of efforts to seize from Toyota the mantle as the world's greenest automaker. Meanwhile, Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn has estimated pure electric vehicles like the Leaf will make up 10 percent of industry global sales by 2020.

Time will tell if that's wishful thinking.

"It's been the Kool-Aid that the entire political system has been drinking for a decade," said Bob Martin, a senior consultant with auto product development firm The CarLab. "Electric cars are not ready for prime time. They're really interesting toys for very, very rich people."

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08:15 PM on 04/01/2012
I remember that 15 years ago people were not bashing big-screen, plasma, HD televisions which were very expensive at the time ($18000+ depending on size). So why is it so important to bash electric vehicles which are also expensive? The point is, that people want to buy EVs, and people will spend whatever it takes to buy a vehicle that provides 99% of their mobility needs. Especially when you don't need to buy gasoline to make it go. I drive an EV for 100% of my mobility needs, and I love not ever having to buy gasoline again. Gas stations are no longer a part of my lifestyle. If you don't drive an EV, you can't say that! I don't see a problem here in America when some new product may be expensive. At some point in the near future, that product will get less expensive as the demand increases (as in my HDTV example), and the production costs decrease. If you want to drive a gasoline powered vehicle, that's fine too. How expensive will gasoline need to get before you decide it's not worth paying the price just to have daily mobility? At that point, an EV may become very attractive to many people.
10:19 PM on 03/23/2012
You gotta love the title of this story: "Electric Cars Are Too Expensive For Most Americans". The price of a fully loaded LEAF in CA is about $28K. The average price of a car sold in the U.S. in 2011 was $30K.

Math challenged bloggers should write about other topics, maybe singers who drown in bathtubs. That's more your style.
04:12 PM on 03/23/2012
1) Please keep in mind - there is NO ENGINE MAINTENANCE for EVs - that's a stellar attribute (and maybe an under appreciated one)! And unlike with gas, the price of EVs can only go down as we reach economies of scale.

2) You can't forget about filling up - juicing an EV is 5 times cheaper on average than filling up with gas. If you work it out, that's $12K in savings over 10 years. Add in maintenance savings, and you break even - quickly.

Are they perfect for everybody yet - no one can say they are! But are they an awesome alternative for some in major cities - you bet.
02:18 PM on 03/23/2012
I am sure the eletric car has it's perks, my problem is the size. but also the cost of the battery goes dead and the time it takes to charge it if you decide to go furthur than what it says you can on a single charge. for pittering around town it is good but highway travel to say another state not so much. imagine sitting at a station 500 miles from home charging your battery, I can imagine about 2 or 3 hours maybe more?

gas powered cars are getting cleaner all the time, most of your pollution is actually coming from trucks but no one considers how much the military adds to pollution around the world as they have no fuel standards or I bet no clean air standards on those ships, tanks, humvees, helicopters and the like. they are probably the dirtiest. yet I don't see any push for electric humvees or tanks. my guess all this pushing for electric and peak oil myths are political and have no basis in fact.

imagine too they might want to limit how far and fast you can go, the feds/employees will keep their dirty cars and trucks and their fast copters and humvees while we drive slower vehicles that take forever to charge. my guess it is a way to keep you on the plantation known as the name of the state you live in or maybe city you live in.

rose
06:56 AM on 03/23/2012
Gasoline and natural gas fueled cars will dominate the market for decades to come while battery powered cars will be considered elitist toys who's popularity will fade in four or five years, if not sooner.
10:48 AM on 03/23/2012
Of course, nothing elitist about BMWs and Cadillacs.

Seriously, I get into discussions with people who call me both a "one percenter" and a "hippie" for driving an electric car.

Nothing beats hating somebody for being from both ends of the economic spectrum simultaneously.
10:16 PM on 03/23/2012
Jeez Hastings, I really wish you were willing to bet me $100,000 dollars that your statement is a crock. I would take that bet in a heartbeat. We could each put the money in an escrow account not to be touched for five years. I'd get a kick out of watching you squirm as year by year the number of EVs grows faster and faster.

Of course, you'd never have the balls to do that. You just like spouting off about a technology you know nothing about.

Even funnier would be to wait a bit longer and watch you buy your first EV. It's inevitable.
10:43 PM on 03/22/2012
Love that he wasted six-figures on it.
08:30 PM on 03/22/2012
Consumer Reports test drove the absolutely beautiful Fisker Karma 200 miles before it died an untimely death. They rated it as possibly the worst car ever made. Subsidies down the toilet again.
09:33 PM on 03/22/2012
The Fisker isn't a "subsidy car", it was well under development before a DOE loan was granted to Fisker. The DOE loan is mainly for the development of a family sedan, the Fisker Nina, to be built in 2013.

And then - of course - a loan is not a subsidy. Any business, of any kind, can apply for a small business loan from the government.

The DOE loan Fisker qualifies for has not even been entirely granted. Most of it is held up until Fisker meets production milestones on the Nina.
08:59 AM on 03/23/2012
Hey, you have something there. A business expense tax deduction for an oil company isn't a subsidy either as the Dear Leader claims. Unfortunately, the Nina is set to use the same engineering specs as the Karma.

They've received such bad publicity from the Karma failure that the Nina will probably never put the rubber to the road. People who bought that junk brick of a car, which Fiskers acknowledged a correct description, are hopping mad and they are not being quiet about it. This will be another Obama debacle.
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07:30 PM on 03/22/2012
My wife and I drive a Nissan LEAF for more than 80% of our car trips. We use our second (gasoline) car for the occasional trips that are too long for the LEAF or when we both need to drive at once. We charge the car at home at night - just plug it in like a cell phone. There is no need to find charge stations when we are out and about. And we never have to go to a gas station. It is zippy and fun to drive.

The LEAF costs us less than 3c per mile for electricity compared with about 15c/mile for our Toyota Matrix - a similar sized hatchback. After taking into account the government rebate, the need for a new battery after say 8 years (the LEAF battery warranty is 8 years/100,000 miles), and the low cost of energy (3c/mile), the total cost of ownership of the LEAF will be about the same as our Matrix (which gets 30 mpg). Edmunds agrees with this assessment - go to http://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/ and compare the LEAF to any vehicle you wish.

So the LEAF is affordable, economical, very practical for households with a second (gas) car for the long trips, and it is zippy and fun to drive. The benefits for the environment are just icing on the cake. If the mass media would just tell the true story about today's electric cars people would be lining up to buy them.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
06:45 AM on 03/23/2012
People ask me how long it takes to charge my car. I tell them 20 seconds: ten seconds to plug it in at night, ten seconds to unplug it in the morning.

How long does a cell phone take to charge? Nobody knows, they just plug it in at night and unplug it in the morning. Nobody sits around watching their phone charge.
03:40 PM on 03/22/2012
Granted, buying a Leaf was something of a sacrifice, given that I'm merely middle-class and not even a salaried employee, let alone "rich". But it is in tune with my values. I'm asthmatic so I want clean air and I want my choice of car to shout "Yes, we can have clean air", and I do care about the planet and the economy. Using less oil is a huge national priority. And I do enjoy driving a quiet, comfortable car that never needs gas and only has to be taken in for routine service twice a year.
03:31 PM on 03/22/2012
"They're really interesting toys for very, very rich people." So says a senior consultant with an auto product development company. Apparently, he assumes that the majority of electric vehicles on the road are Fisker Karmas and Tesla Roadsters. So he's either purposely distorting the facts, or just plain ignorant. Both the Chevrolet Volt and Nissan Leaf can be leased for less than $400 per month (on a 36-month lease). And Nissan Leaf drivers will NEVER have to pump gasoline again! Surely that must be worth at least $100 month. Yes, it's true you can't take a 400-mile road trip with your EV (yet), but that's not a typical commute.
I was greeted with sneering cynicism and hostile derision when I took delivery of my Toyota Prius in 2004 ("it's not a real car,"), but it appears to have caught on. Same story when I took delivery of my Nissan Leaf in July 2011 ("what happens when it runs out of electricity?"). I top off the charge every night using a Level 2 (240-amp) charger in my garage, giving me a 100-mile range every morning. I can visit my brother in Agoura Hills and make it back to my home in West LA with more than 20 miles remaining on the battery. If I want to take a trip to Palm Springs for the weekend, Enterprise Rent A Car is happy to offer me a 3-day weekend deal for less than $10 a day.
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03:26 PM on 03/22/2012
I would like to point out that it is possible to build relatively cheap, practical EVs, if one judges by the experience in other countries.

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/cheapest-new-cars-in-norway-are-electric.html

Which leads me to question the way that we are handling this question in this country.
07:39 PM on 03/22/2012
American car companies are purposely marketing to the early adopters first. It's a cautious strategy, that assures they'll make some money out of the gate. Can companies can definitely still make profit selling them for far less, but they'll take their time getting there.

EV hobbyists (who have been around for decades) can convert cars to electric drive for $5,000 to $10,000 - hardly an outrageous sum, considering the entire propulsion system is being replaced.

In fact, you want to see some very reasonably priced electric cars - buy one direct from an EV hobbyist. Some are for sale here: http://www.evtradinpost.com/
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03:22 PM on 03/22/2012
A long time ago, I talked to a veteran of World War II who told me that he worked for REA, Railway Express, as a vehicle mechanic, in Manhattan, New York, and that after the war there were many thousands of all electric delivery vehicles operating in Manhattan. He told me that he believed the reason was that their use was mandated, but he wasn't sure why. Perhaps it had something to do with saving petroleum during WW II, or with cutting down with air pollution in the city, as internal combustion engines of that era were particularly dirty.

For whatever reason, EVs have been used in the past, at a time when we did not have regenerative braking, onboard computers, or anything better than lead-acid batteries. If the motivation is there, the means is also available.
12:59 PM on 03/22/2012
So are most SUV's...
11:47 AM on 03/22/2012
Oil is a finite resource. The price of oil continues to rise and with it the price of gas.

THe auto writers panned the Prius the first year or two they were produced, Now they are one of the best selling cars in the world. Toyota lost money on the Prius the first few years and now makes money year after year.

Maybe GM should have priced the Volt a little cheaper the first year and then sales would have been higher. Improving battery technology and economies of scale will drop the price in the future.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
11:34 AM on 03/22/2012
So the version of the Volt that is exported to Europe is called the Opel Ampera. Both versions are made at the same plant in Hamtramck, Michigan.

The Ampera just went on sale and has 7000 pre-orders. So both versions together will ship close to 20,000 units this year. That is not bad at all.
12:12 PM on 03/22/2012
Exactly. People forget that positive sales trends predict winners. Volt year-end sales for 2011 were 500% higher than beginning year sales.

And 2012 sales will easily double, triple, or quadruple 2011 sales. By 2013, Volt will be much better, much cheaper, or both - and sales will spike way upward again.

That's exactly the kind of chart you see with new technology adoption. GM is not unhappy about this sales performance at all.