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New Hampshire House Rejects Gay Marriage Repeal Bill

By NORMA LOVE 03/21/12 07:02 PM ET AP

New Hampshire Gay Marriage Bill

CONCORD, N.H. — New Hampshire lawmakers on Wednesday rejected a bill that would have made their state legislature the first one to repeal a gay marriage law, handing gay-rights supporters a key victory in the Northeast, where same-sex marriage is prevalent.

The state House voted 211-116 to kill the measure, ending a push by its new Republican majority to rescind New Hampshire's 2-year-old gay marriage law. Nevertheless, both sides are pledging to continue fighting into the fall elections.

Repeal opponents hoped to solidify what they argue is public support for gay marriage, while supporters hoped to reverse the law in a region of the country where gay-rights groups have strength.

"Today is a banner day for the freedom to marry," said Craig Stowell, co-chairman of Standing up For New Hampshire Families. Stowell said the House, where Republicans hold a 189-seat advantage, was supposed to give conservatives their best shot at repeal. "They blew it. This was supposed to be the most favorable legislative climate for repeal and they couldn't even get a majority."

The Republican-backed bill called for repealing gay marriage in March 2013 and replacing it with a civil unions law that had been in place in 2008 and 2009. Gay marriages occurring before the repeal took effect would have remained valid, but future gay unions would have been civil unions. The bill also would have allowed voters to weigh in on the issue through a nonbinding November ballot question.

Tom Czapieo, 63, of Keene, watched the House debate from the gallery with his partner, Mike Bellrose, 61. Czapieo said he was surprised and thrilled by the vote, even though he and Bellerose have no immediate plans to marry.

"I was born this way. I should have the right to marry who I want," he said.

Bellrose noted that the House session began with the Pledge of allegiance, and quoted the ending passage: "with liberty and justice for all."

"This certainly is a big step toward that," Bellerose said.

Eleanor Vander Haegen, 71, of Keene, married her partner of 22 years in January 2010.

"It's such a significant recognition of our human rights," she said of the vote.

If the House passed the repeal measure following its two hours of debate, it would have gone to the Senate; both houses are controlled by Republicans. Democratic Gov. John Lynch had promised to veto the bill if it had reached his desk.

An attempt to strip out a provision in the legislation calling for voters to weigh in on the issue in November in a nonbinding ballot question was rejected, helping to seal the bill's fate since some lawmakers objected that with a 400-member House, lawmakers should be able to make those decisions themselves.

State Rep. David Welch, R-Kingston, said he had opposed gay marriage, but the time for a repeal was past because "the Legislature has given certain rights to members of our community and now we're being asked to take them away."

The National Organization for Marriage has pledged to spend $250,000 to help lawmakers running for re-election who support repealing the law. On the other side, the New Hampshire Republicans of Freedom and Equality PAC is raising money to back Republicans who vote to retain it.

Democrats enacted both the civil unions and gay marriage laws when they controlled the Legislature, and Lynch signed both. After Republicans took control of the House and Senate in 2010, repeal legislative was introduced, but held over until this year. In Wednesday's fight, Republicans took the lead on both sides of the debate.

The repeal legislation, sponsored by state Rep. David Bates, would ensure the 1,906 existing same-sex marriages would remain valid if the gay marriage law is repealed. Bates said it would replace the current "illegitimate definition" of marriage with one defining it as between one man and one woman.

Bates tried in vain to convince the House that supporting traditional marriage did not make someone a bigot.

State Rep. Warren Groen, R-Rochester, argued allowing gays to marry opened up the definition of marriage to polygamists and others with non-traditional lifestyles.

"We are indeed on a slippery slope," Groen said.

Same-sex marriage is legal in New York, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maryland, Washington and the District of Columbia. New Jersey lawmakers recently passed a gay marriage bill, but the governor vetoed it. An override vote could come as late as January 2014.

Since 1998, 31 states have had ballot measures related to same-sex marriage, and opponents have prevailed in every state. Those states include Maine, where voters in 2009 rejected the state's gay-marriage law.

Last month, a federal appeals court declared California's same-sex marriage ban to be unconstitutional. The ruling could mean the bitterly contested, voter-approved law will be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

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Associated Press writer Holly Ramer contributed to this report.

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12:04 PM on 03/24/2012
No man is free who is a slave to the flesh.

-- Seneca
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
02:11 PM on 03/24/2012
Why are you making this all about sex?
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
11:12 AM on 03/25/2012
My theory? Not getting any.
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KarenBryanBSRN
God does for us what we cannot do for ourselves...
03:52 PM on 04/15/2012
'tx' perhaps because marriage is notoriously for the purpose of having children with two people biologically created by God to join in love and marriage to procreate not fornicate.
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trumbull desi
If I have something pithy to say, see below
02:25 PM on 03/24/2012
The all straight men I know are slaves.
fisch123
For those of you who don't know 1T = 1000B.
03:16 PM on 03/24/2012
You can remove the straight, and just say: all men.
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Wayne Peterson
10:21 AM on 03/24/2012
If the Republicans make this an issue in the November elections, the Democrats can have a field day, pointing out that, once again, the Republicans want greater interference in private rights, like whom you can love and marry! Does the Republican Party really want to wear that albatross???
12:39 PM on 03/24/2012
No one has an issue with interference in private rights as long as it benefits them so your statement is irrelevent...sit down #7.
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trumbull desi
If I have something pithy to say, see below
02:26 PM on 03/24/2012
What?
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
11:20 AM on 03/25/2012
No, I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY has an issue with interference in private rights. It just so happens that the Republicans have an issue with not being able to control them.
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trumbull desi
If I have something pithy to say, see below
02:26 PM on 03/24/2012
They've already got it. That albatross will be haunting them all the way into the election booths in November.
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TBJ
Irrelevent Blurb
12:13 PM on 03/23/2012
Realized this in response to a comment below.

Person A: "Same-sex couples should be able to legally marry."
Person B: "Marriage is between a man and a woman, they can't marry. They should only get civil unions."
Person A: "Creating a separate institution makes those unions second-class to a marriage."
Person B: "A civil union will have all the rights of marriage, but marriage is still just for a man and a woman. Why are you fighting over the word 'marriage'?"

Let's be clear here. The person that's obsessively fighting over the word 'marriage' is the person that is demanding that an entirely separate (and proven unequal) institution, rather than let same-sex couples get married, not the same-sex couple that wants to get married.
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
12:23 PM on 03/23/2012
They sound like petulant children upset that they might have to share the sandbox at the public park with the "other kids".
12:49 PM on 03/24/2012
Petulant children are those that can't play in the sandbox.
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Ioan Lightoller
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12:41 PM on 03/23/2012
Thank you, TBJ. I argue this point myself. Why do opponents think that we should settle for what is essentially second class citizenship? And this is what civil unions do for GLBT people. They are basically useless because many people do not respect civil unions. Same-sex couples in civil unions are forced to spend money they may be ill-able to afford making legal arrangements which may or not be honored. They do, however, respect the word "marriage" and the rights/protections which come with it. This is critical in things such as hospital visitation and power of attorney for medical decisions. Even today, a civil partner can be bypassed. Also, inheritance. With marriage, the deceased spouse's will is honored and can only very rarely overruled. In a civil partnership, wills can and have been overruled in favour of the deceased partner's family. Why do opponents of marriage equality think that we should be willing to doing without all the benefits of marriage simply because they do not wish to share the word?! We argue for the word "marriage" because that is what our society understands as a legal union between partners that come with rights and protections for the spouses.
06:19 PM on 03/23/2012
How would straight people like being at a company function and the husband or wife have to say I would like you to meet my partner instead of my wife or husband. That is what gay people have to do and will have to continue to do under civil uniions. They cant't say this is my wife or husband. We are tired of having partner like we are in a business instead of a relationship. That is why we go for the word marriage and all that goes with it. Not civil union. It is about time the GOP did something right for the gay community. Not sure why other then they must have thought it was going to be vetoed anyway. And the GOP's that are trying to have this repealed spend your money on something more positve like food for the hungry and shoes for the kids that don't have any. Make it a better world instead of your hate. Life Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness. Somebody got it right in the House finally.
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KarenBryanBSRN
God does for us what we cannot do for ourselves...
04:01 PM on 04/15/2012
'loan' marriage is for parents to be potential procreation in God's world. Not for fornication and insurance benefits sorry you fell off the horse and can't ride bareback get some counseling you could walk that hetero life if you got help
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
01:30 AM on 03/23/2012
Silly christians. Have no idea if they are coming or going. Which brings me to prove what has been demosntrated by several studies; christians are among the most ignorant about their religion.
Her is a little test.
Was Jesus coming or going into Jericho when he cured the blind man sitting on the side of the road; or were Mark and Luke confused at reporting? (and yes it is the same incident, same man, Bartimaeus)
Mark 10:46 - And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the roadside begging.

Luke 18:35, 36 - 35 As Jesus approached Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the roadside begging. 36 When he heard the crowd going by, he asked what was happening. 37 They told him, “Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.”
Was Jeus coming or going - or did one of the writers make a mistake? I know the answer.
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Valksy
civis mundi sum
11:14 AM on 03/23/2012
Look at the tedious lists of "X begat Y" in the gospels of Matthew and Luke. Although they are supposed to show the genealogy between David and Jesus, they aren't the same. They don't even list the same name for the father of Joseph.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
12:33 PM on 03/23/2012
Right and the lineage fo Ruth and Naomi (same-sex relationship) just seems to disappear.
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Robt Christian
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11:20 AM on 03/23/2012
If Jesus could perform so many miracles, why did it take 300 years before anyone wrote about him?
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YouAreJokingRight
Taking you less seriously than you take yourself.
12:03 PM on 03/23/2012
And why did all of his miracles match miracles from pagan mythology?
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
12:30 PM on 03/23/2012
Good point.
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BlackVeilBridesRocker
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
11:52 PM on 03/22/2012
Viva La Revolution, New Hampshire has finally done the RIGHT thing and ALLOWED same sex MARRIAGE to be LEGAL, hooray and I'm getting up in every right winger's face on huffington post, saying I TOLD YOU SO, we WIN, "right wing" LOSES AGAIN Never too late to stand your ground – revolution begins In you – in me – Revolution! Once lost – lost in their game Mental chains breaking now Set yourself free Who are they to tell you what to do?
The stage is not set, the road is not chosen Your fate not preordained They are losing control – every step of the way!! Revolution Begins!!!
12:48 PM on 03/24/2012
The Bible foretells this and it also tells us in the end times God will prevail..of course saying you don't believe in God won't make Him go away. Your heart is hardend and darkness fills you but we will pray for you.
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trumbull desi
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02:28 PM on 03/24/2012
No need. God loves me just as I am.
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
02:28 PM on 03/24/2012
Saying you don't believe in Thor won't make him go away.
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KarenBryanBSRN
God does for us what we cannot do for ourselves...
04:11 PM on 04/15/2012
'blackveil' none of us care and for the hate posters jumping dp4 you will see the truth one day. Religion is not a belief in God it has nothing to do with profound spiritual belief. Religion is like homosexuality it is a system where some believe some do not; those who believe in God do so unconditionally. Those who do believe know that God wanted man and woman to marry and procreate. You as a homosexual cannot and willnot procreate. Essentially if one partner is fem and the other butch you are still emulating what you believe same sexing can give you a heterosexual respect in a world that biologically is created so only men and women together procreate. Good luck with the hate.
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kbkgza
Send McDonalds Dollars to the RNC!!
11:35 PM on 03/22/2012
It is truly great to see us excited about something finally. The months coming up to 2010 were very different then they are now. Most comments at that time were from the Republican teabag trolls that creep around this site and beg for attention. Now there are a ton of very progressive minds fighting for our civil liberties and freedoms. It's so strange that the group that praises these very things are the ones who routinely oppose them (teabags). I get that not everyone is a fan of Obama but, in all seriousness, can we really allow these nuts to get in office? Maybe someday we'll truly have a choice between two moderates and not just one.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
10:55 PM on 03/22/2012
Suck it bigots! Liberals ALWAYS win! We believe in moving forward while they want to hold the country back.
12:38 PM on 03/24/2012
moving forward into corruption and darkness...yes, it has been foretold.
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TXanimal
Somewhere between Occam's Razor & Murphy's Law
02:31 PM on 03/24/2012
It's very telling that you feel a better path is harming families. Sad.
07:52 PM on 03/24/2012
dp4 -- please read intelligenti pauca below... he explains the situation so well. And then, consider that the Constitution clearly states that there is a SEPARATION of church and state - (whatever the church may be... Xian or not). Read on in this forum... there are a lot of intelligent and erudite comments.
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rcott1019
10:48 PM on 03/22/2012
I grew up in NH in an atmosphere of real freedom and acceptance, though it could have been conservative in the sense that government intrusion was always criticized. Those who lived alternative life styles were viewed and criticized as weirdos, but no one sought to interfere with their life choices. Now, "Live Free or Die" seems to have lost its meaning in my home state, and it's heart breaking to see the new conservatives playing election year politics designed to deprive the citizens of NH the right to make their own choices regarding life style.
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KarenBryanBSRN
God does for us what we cannot do for ourselves...
04:15 PM on 04/15/2012
'rcott1019' no one cares about your gay lifestyle no one but you. This is about marriage and that is procreation something homosexuals will never do.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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08:28 PM on 03/22/2012
During this whole DOMA argument/debate I've repeatedly asked DOMA supporters to provide a logical, rational explanation of exactly how allowing homosexuals to legally marry will affect their lives on a day-to-day basis or how it will change/affect how their marriage works. I have yet to get a single honest answer from any of them.

If you can't even defend your own bigoted argument with any kind of logic or reason, then why should anyone take you seriously when it's obvious that you're basing your negativity towards allowing homosexuals to marry on a combination of one or more of the following factors - emotion, misinformation, lies & religious beliefs. Logic & reasoning never even enter the picture.

And before you start in with the Bible verses & religious dogma, just stop. Your religion has NO bearing on decisions about basic rights that the majority of Americans already enjoy. Your religion doesn't confer any special "rights" or "abilities" on you. It doesn't make you any more competent to judge who is & who isn't deserving of rights in this country.

Since we are in no way a theocracy, the simple fact of the matter is that religion has absolutely no bearing on the issue of whether homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else. What people think their religion says about homosexuality carries zero LEGAL WEIGHT in this discussion.
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charlot
11:03 PM on 03/22/2012
That was quite possibly the most eloquent, concise and accurate argument against opponents of same-sex marriage that I have ever read. Thank you.
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Intelligenti Pauca
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11:26 AM on 03/23/2012
Thank you, I truly appreciate that.
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David N Taiwan
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11:15 PM on 03/22/2012
Thank you for an extremely well thought-out argument. The only suggestion I would have is that in future postings, you might wish to consider addressing another point the anti-equality always raises, the "traditional definition," or to put it another way, "we've-always-done-it-this-way" argument. I'm not suggesting for a second this line of "reasoning" has any merit, but merely that it has to be addressed in comprehensive slap-downs as you've developed here.

Again, thank you so much!
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Intelligenti Pauca
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11:27 AM on 03/23/2012
Thanks David! I'll see what I can do about addressing the "traditional definition" aspect of the marriage argument.
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andy2x
07:56 PM on 03/22/2012
Finally, the bigots lose their fight against equal rights for all Americans.
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
10:04 AM on 03/23/2012
Well... part of it, anyway.
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trumbull desi
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02:31 PM on 03/24/2012
Step by step .....
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floridian5555
07:08 PM on 03/22/2012
If heterosexuals get married in churches and then divorce down the road which is against God then Gays have the RIGHT to get married in churches too.
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YouAreJokingRight
Taking you less seriously than you take yourself.
07:22 PM on 03/22/2012
Churches have nothing to do with marriage. Sometimes people have their wedding ceremonies in a church, and believe it or not, some gays already do have their marriage ceremonies in some churches. I went to one last year.

The debate has nothing to do with churches, though. I don't really know why you brought it up.

All taxpaying, law-abiding, consenting adult Americans should be able to obtain a marriage license from their state to marry other taxpaying, law-abiding, consenting adult Americans who they may or may not want to have kids with, go to church with, buy a house with, etc.
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erdkz2389
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11:06 PM on 03/22/2012
I think he brought it up because many churches recognize marriages as first-and-foremost religious institutions, and many opponents of same-sex marriage use that as a primary argument against same-sex marriage.
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WheelsOnFire
Equality Crusader
07:40 PM on 03/22/2012
Indeed, increasing numbers of churches and denominations are marrying gay couples.

However, the church ceremony is wholly optional and completely unnecessary.

All we are seeking is legal marriage equality.

If a church holds to beliefs that would not let them marry a gay couple, so be it (but, I hasten to note that many of those churches would be willing to re-marry a divorced person, which is committing the sin of adultery, according to their bible -- which they toss on the dung heap for such re-marriage ceremonies).

The problem is that churches think they own marriage, but they do not. In fact, the very words used in their ceremonies -- "...by the powers vested in me by the state of ___________" indicates that they do not have any inherent, religion-based power to marry a couple. They get their power from the state. They should never forget that.
screwitall
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06:28 PM on 03/22/2012
" Live Free Or Die",sounds like they are living up to their motto
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Rock Biologist
My micro-bio is molecular.
04:47 PM on 03/22/2012
NOM and their allies were aiming for a veto-proof vote on this, and they didn't even get the legislature to pass it in the first place. This is a resounding defeat, and given that American public opinion shifts toward marriage equality every year, it's highly likely that the ship has sailed in New Hampshire. They blew it, big time.
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05:06 PM on 03/22/2012
How could public opinion has changed if it has not yet made it to the public? When the November election comes, then you can say that if it goes through, otherwise, you maybe looking at a very shallow victory!
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BooBoo Bob
Snark is my life.
06:04 PM on 03/22/2012
Oh, how cute. You think that civil rights are left up to a popular vote and that we live in a true democracy! They aren't and we don't.

Naivete looks good on you, though. Go with that.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
06:49 PM on 03/22/2012
What rights of yours do we get to vote on since you think that we should have our rights voted on? None, you say? Well, we don't want our rights voted on any more than you wants yours voted on. What makes you qualified to vote on issues that will not affect your life in the least, but WILL affect the lives of GLBT couples and any children they may have?
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05:10 PM on 03/22/2012
How could public opinion has changed if it has not yet made it to the public? When the November election comes, then you can say that if it goes through, otherwise, you maybe looking at a very shallow victory! Every year, people say that public opinion has changed but yet, every time you take it to the people to vote, gay marriage is voted out and those manipulative opinion polls become moot.
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Rock Biologist
My micro-bio is molecular.
05:29 PM on 03/22/2012
That's fair question. The polling is from places like Gallup:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

I agree that the ballot box is the true poll, but given this trend, victory at the ballot box is inevitable. My guess is that when enough states stop discriminating against gay people, the Supreme Court will hand down a Loving v Virginia style decision, hopefully argued by people like Ted Olson and David Boies.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
06:50 PM on 03/22/2012
People voting on the civil rights of others, particularly when those rights do not affect the lives of those voting is repugnant. This is why there are protections in our constitutions for protection of minorities against the tyranny of the majority.
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kevanstory
Stuff happens for no particular reason...
03:49 PM on 03/22/2012
... marriage is a civil 'rite'... and should be a civil 'right'. No church is forced by any law to perform a marriage against their beliefs... the Catholic church will not marry divorcees, non- Catholics and others. The United States is not governed by Christian doctrine, but by the secular Constitution.... see the 1st Amendment.
Also... marriage doesn't need protection... I'm a 71 year old straight man, married 43 years to the same woman... our marriage is perfectly secure and is not threatened by same-sex marriage. Marriage is not all about sex, but about companionship and sharing all phases of life... finances, hospital visitation, etc...
The idea that sexual orientation is a "choice" is pure lunacy... I know of NO straight folks who would "choose" to be gay or lesbian... and the gays and lesbians who I know say that they have always been attracted to those of their own sex...
03:53 PM on 03/22/2012
Faved and fanned! Excellent points.
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kevanstory
Stuff happens for no particular reason...
03:54 PM on 03/22/2012
... thank you...
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Rock Biologist
My micro-bio is molecular.
04:35 PM on 03/22/2012
Fanned for your post and for being married 43 years - well done! It seems the people with the most stable marriages are often the ones most in favor of marriage equality....
03:04 PM on 03/22/2012
Nobody should have to Fight for Equal Treatment in the USA. It is Guaranteed under the Constitution.
It's Unfortunate that so many of us have to Fight for it!
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:14 PM on 03/22/2012
Fanned and faved. It is indeed sad that in the second decade of the 21st Century we are still fighting for equal rights.