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Paideia Method, Socratic Learning Techniques, Aims To Close New Haven School Achievement Gap

 |  By Melissa Bailey  |  Posted: 03/26/2012 5:20 pm Updated: 03/26/2012 5:42 pm

This piece comes to us courtesy of New Haven Independent.

Should the rich fix failing schools by donating more money? Should moms keep better tabs on their kids? Eighth-graders debated those solutions to the achievement gap—as part of a student-led seminar aimed at closing that very same gap.

The discussion took place in a Socratic seminar, a hallmark of the Ross/Woodward Classical Studies Interdistrict Magnet School, which serves 530 kids in grades pre-K to 8 at 185 Barnes Ave.

The seminar was one factor that propelled the school to become one of 65 schools nationwide named as 2012 magnet schools of distinction by the Magnet Schools of America. The award is based on "commitment to high academic standards, curriculum innovation, successful desegregation/diversity efforts, specialized teaching staffs, and parent and community involvement."

Since the school became a magnet five years ago with a focus on classical studies, it has fully integrated the Paideia Method, by which students use Socratic techniques to learn through discussion. A Socratic seminar is a student-led discussion based around a text, where students develop critical thinking skills by sharing observations and responding to others' opinions. It's a main cornerstone of Paideia, which calls for the teachers' expertise to constitute only 10 percent of learning, the remainder coming from students themselves.

One day last week, the method brought 8th-graders into two circles in Michele Bonanno's social studies classroom. Bonanno, who has taught at the school for five years, picked one students to lead each discussion. The facilitators got to pick a group of kids who they thought would get into a healthy discussion.

The topic for the day was school reform. Students had spent past days studying reformers of the 1800. Then they learned about local and statewide school reform efforts.

Bonanno handed out a letter from Gov. Dannel P. Malloy to state legislative leaders outlining six principles for what he has called the Year of Education Reform.

Brendan Watts led 11 kids in a discussion based on the text, with help from two teachers.

Poor and minority students are less prepared for success than their peers in most other states, he told his classmates. Connecticut is one of the wealthiest states in the nation, and has the worst achievement gap between urban and suburban kids.

Students were asked this question: How does that make you feel about being a student in an urban school?

Brendan started by answering the question himself: "disappointed."

To keep the conversation moving, Ashley Stockton, the school's magnet resource teacher, asked him to probe deeper: "Disappointed—in yourself? In the government? In the school district?"

"Disappointed in everything," Brendan replied.

From there, the conversation rolled along.

Diamante Maldonado offered a solution for high-earners who live in Fairfield County.

"If they're that wealthy, they should use their money to close the achievement gap!"

Cristian Garcia challenged her thinking: "So, you're saying getting wealthy is wrong?"

"No, I'm saying how they use [their money]," Diamante clarified. Rich people may be spending their money in a way they think is helpful, but "if we're stagnant in progress," whatever they're doing "isn't working."

Noting that one of the wealthiest states has the worst education system, Cristian posited the following theory: "The less education you get, the more wealthy you are."

Kayla Cruz jumped into the conversation to defend urban education, and her school.

"Not everybody's failing," she said. She suggested the school send home monthly progress reports for failing kids so that parents can be more engaged and help their kids. The reports should be sent home on paper, she said—because some mothers, like hers, don't have access to a computer.

While the second group had stayed relatively quiet, Brendan's circle was still discussing their ideas for school reform when the class came to an end.

"This was a fantastic and outstanding conversation today," Bonanno announced, "but unfortunately we have to go because the period is over."

Stockton agreed: Paideia aims for kids to look each other in the eye, listen to each other's opinions and observations, and respond in a way that broadens their understanding of a text. When four kids jump into the conversation, she said, that's a great sign.

Bonanno said she uses the Socratic seminar about every three weeks. Brendan and the other kids in his circle, who mostly hail from New Haven and have been at the school for several years, are used to the drill by now.

Every month, the whole school breaks into Socratic seminars on a common theme, Stockton said, like Hispanic heritage or unity. Every kid and every teacher, even those that teach art or gym, take part. Schools virtually shut down for two weeks for standardized tests, she pointed out.

"Why not make the learning as sacred as the testing?" Stockton asked.

Stockton has led the curricular expansion over the past five years, with help from Bonanno. The Paideia method goes beyond the occasional seminar, they said; it's a philosophy of learning that involves less teacher-dominated discussion and more student dialogue. The model, which focuses on critical thinking, calls for the teachers' expertise to be 10 percent of learning.

One other factor contributing to the award was a successful desegregation effort. As the school grew from 427 to 570 kids in four years, the number of Caucasian students has grown from 10 to 22 percent. That brings them more in balance with Latino and black students, who now make up 38 and 36 percent of students in the school, according to numbers Stockton provided.

Bonanno said over the past five years, she's noticed a strong sense of culture take root at the school. Students know to look each other in the eye. They listen, and aren't afraid to speak their minds.

"It's incredible to see what our kids have become," she said.

She planned to take Tuesday's lesson to the next step by having students do a project comparing today's reformers to those of the 1800s. That's in keeping with the school's motto—"learning about yesterday to build a new tomorrow."

Kiet Ho said he enjoys the school's Socratic style, where other students help you understand the topic, and "they hear you out," too.

Diamante agreed it's good to have other students challenge your opinions.

Fired up from the school reform conversation, she said she wanted to take the discussion to the next level.

"It's nice to let it out and vent," she said, "but it would be better if it went somewhere."

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This piece comes to us courtesy of New Haven Independent. Should the rich fix failing schools by donating more money? Should moms keep better tabs on their kids? Eighth-graders debated those soluti...
This piece comes to us courtesy of New Haven Independent. Should the rich fix failing schools by donating more money? Should moms keep better tabs on their kids? Eighth-graders debated those soluti...
 
 
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Ariel Bonzai
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08:39 AM on 03/29/2012
Wow! A beacon of lighting a dark age for the life of the mind. Socratic discourse is the essence of any great Teacher's practice. To arouse curiosity, creativity and critical thinking skills is our goal not rote memorization; engaging students' interest is not very difficult. The topics must be relevant, vital and close to the students hearts. Its up to teachers to keep up with this, for Thier sakes as much as students. Mia is right about the challenges of class size. It can get rowdy but there are ways to delegate duties that deflect chaos. I've learned to use the undone assignments to my advantage, so my miscreants are busy gathering data as my articulate apple polishers deliver the premises .
Just keep in mind what happened to Socrates in the end.
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mlaiuppa
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11:41 PM on 03/27/2012
How many students in this classroom? 40? Two groups of 20?

Socratic seminar isn't very easy to teach or implement with 40 in a class.

There's that old class size versus budget problem again.
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Julie Baker Morse
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01:41 AM on 03/28/2012
Actually, this method would seem to work just fine in large groups, or even in smaller student-led groups. Kids don't get all that much individual attention regardless of class size, and frankly, most kids don't actually need individual attention, yet the class size argument is generally held as a "set in stone" standard.

Our schools would be better served by moving away from the rote memorization model, and by cutting the number of concepts taught per year in math. We can also easily address the relevancy of the units taught in social studies and science.

I do think that 90% of content coming from the students may be a tad much, but anything that develops critical thinking skills and evaluation of information for credibility puts us on the right track.
02:29 PM on 04/04/2012
Agreed. Methods like the Socratic Method and other active learning approaches are beneficial because they make the student take ownership of their education.

What needs to be discussed is that there still must be strong structure and assessment or the students will have no reason to achieve the selected goals, but within that structure , the students can argure and debate misconceptions and hone problem solving skills.
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Nathan V
06:45 PM on 03/27/2012
You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

When being told how to get from point A to point B, few question why we're going there or how we're getting there. That's lecture. It can only go so far, especially with students who are not engaged in the subject or, god forbid, have a self-fulfilling prophecy attached to themselves.

Discussion is great and teaches soft skills on top of it, such as general communication, critical thinking, and human interaction. No one liked book reports but we all liked complaining about how dry The Grapes of Wrath can be.
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Dorothy Moody
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03:28 PM on 03/27/2012
I used this technique in South Central and was floored at how well the students could engage in a discussion by 7th grade. They allowed each other to speak, prepared for the discussion the night before, and by the end of the school year asked to have a debate. This is a valuable tool.
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broui
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02:57 PM on 03/27/2012
I have been teaching with Socratic method for 12 years.

My district and building admin is hostile to it. They much prefer the stand and deliver stuff. I find that useless especially with low skilled, high poverty, highly diverse students. Socratic method engages students and encourages them to take ownership over their own education.
01:49 PM on 03/27/2012
That Socratic methods are being treated as "news" is pretty indicative of how little the ppublic understands about teaching. Teachers have been using the Socratic method since, well, Socrates. All it really means is that the students are actively engaged in the classroom instead of simply having information poured into their brains and being expected to memorize it all.
09:32 AM on 03/27/2012
I'm all for the kids discussing things, but I'm also disappointed that the kids seem to be learning that this problem lies in the hands of other people besides themselves, their families and their communities. This particular school is a magnet and believe me the magnets in New Haven are palaces compared to so many other schools throughout the state. They are built mostly with state money and the city prefers that the state continue to maintain them while building more magnets and charters. Yet, no one has asked the city for an accounting of where their large chunk of the ECS goes.

Connecticut's urban schools are doing no worse than urban schools in other states - there's a good chance they are doing better. But we also have some wealthy districts that offer amazing educations, thus our highest kids are higher than others creating what appears to be "the largest achievement gap" in the country.
11:25 PM on 03/26/2012
This method becomes a habit of mind and that is why it is valuable for students. We hop around too much. Socrates did not change his methods every three to five years. Did he? I would guess not.
09:34 AM on 03/27/2012
On the good side - yesterday, CT's legislative education committee mauled the governor's school reform plan (not sure if it will hold though) that would have expanded charters and obliterated the teaching profession. All these talks of reform and recertification, yet no one cares when teachers say "stop making me teach a concept the latest way when I already know how to do it!"
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Julie Baker Morse
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01:47 AM on 03/28/2012
As a parent, I have to say that it makes it MUCH harder for us to help our kids with homework they don't understand when they keep renaming simple concepts. And, at least in my household, my kids learn these concepts best when they're taught they way I was taught to do them. For instance, my kids had an awful time trying to learn "regrouping", but when I taught them the same concept as "borrowing", they picked it up right away.

Also, I think this constant "updating" is more likely to lead to teachers merely presenting the material rather than actually teaching it. It makes no sense to force teachers to learn the "new math" every few years when they understood it and could teach it perfectly well the old way. If teachers are getting good results, and the results are real [meaning the kids are actually learning and can perform the skills independently], then the teachers need to be left alone to do their jobs.
09:46 PM on 03/26/2012
We have these "discussions" frequently at breakfast, lunch and dinner. They can be started by a childs question, new fact they learned and want to share or don't understand, something in the news or just general conversation. We often break from the table or eat dessert with reference books or the internet going. It is also why it takes forever to eat a meal in this house. This doesn't even include meal prep. When everyone is in the kitchen "discussing". All this "discussing" often has me reading up on topics at night to add to the breakfast revisit "discussions". At these "discussions" more questions are asked or opinions are stated after a night's rest and reflection. Learning is life long and constant in this house.
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Barry Larkin
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11:32 PM on 03/26/2012
We have similar discussions in our house, it is a great practice.

I love to argue, (I mean debate), my wife doesn't always agree with my penchant for this practice, she claims I spend too much time on Huff Post forums. However even she will admit that it has improved the critical thinking skills of our kids 13 and 17.

The ability to clearly present, defend, and debate your beliefs is crucial to democracy. I should be encouraged on all fronts.
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Julie Baker Morse
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01:49 AM on 03/28/2012
Fanned. Completely agree with you both. I think some of my kids' friends may have found our discussions a little strange at first, but after a while they just join in.
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Harlee Cohn Mahmet
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08:43 PM on 03/26/2012
As a teacher 22 years ago, I was a member of our district's committee on "school reform." Each school was given the opportunity to select the program of their choosing. We saw many models, one of which was the Socratic Seminar. I recall our committee being quite impressed with the method, and preferred it over the others presented at the time.

Unfortunately for our school, a different program was chosen. We saw some improvement at first, but we didn't see the turn-around in test scores touted by the company. The program was abandonded after five years.

School Reform requires total buy-in and SUPPORT from all stakeholders. Active parents actively parenting is the key. All kids can learn. They learn through the Socratic Method how to learn through communication which everyone needs in the job market and life. Our students learned what was required, but didn't get to do it in a way that would benefit them life-long.
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Julie Baker Morse
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01:57 AM on 03/28/2012
I don't disagree with you, but I think it's important that everyone understand that not all parents are capable of actively helping their kids with schoolwork. That's why we have public education, and that's why our tax dollars go to pay for public education. Especially in these difficult economic times, most households involve at least two jobs and both parents working, sometimes both parents having more than one job. There isn't always time to help, especially when one adds meal preparation and service and other household tasks in. Sometimes, parents are just exhausted, sometimes they're not capable of grasping the concepts, sometimes the concepts are taught so differently that it's like going through school all over again for them. We just cannot count on parents to do the teaching, or even the helping.

What we CAN and should count on parents to do is teach their kids WHY education is important, and WHY they need to do well in school, so that kids are more motivated to learn for their own benefit.
02:25 AM on 03/28/2012
As a parent, and teacher to low-income, below-grade level students, I have to agree with your opinion that perhaps not all parents can be counted on to teach the material, but the teacher in me will always find ways for parents to help and be involved. If you can't help your kids with their work, at least be sitting there making sure they know how important education is, even if parents don't have one, which I sympathize with. Supporting your kids' efforts, and finding academic help, either at school or elsewhere, is key. Parents need to remember that spending time talking to their kids, paying attention to their friends and activities, and communicating with their kids' schools and teachers is priceless.
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Harlee Cohn Mahmet
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08:33 AM on 03/28/2012
@Julie: I agree with your statement, "We just cannot count on parents to do the teaching, or even the helping." Frankly, teachers do not expect parents to do the teaching. But we all expect them to support the learning. I also agree with your last statement: "What we CAN and should count on parents to do is teach their kids WHY education is important, and WHY they need to do well in school, so that kids are more motivated to learn for their own benefit."

I understand parents are busy; I am a parent as well. We, too, come home to the "second job:" parenting, homemaking and spending time w/ your husband or significant other. However, talking with your child, making time to sit with them for a time during homework even if unable to help, is vital. Reading to your children when they are young and finding time to read with them as they mature cannot be overstated. Communication with teachers is essential. Parent conferences are much too important to miss. Busy parents, as I was as well, can find time for a phone or email conference. Parenting is our first job; always was and always should be. F&F!
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Marcin A Mazurek
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05:55 PM on 03/26/2012
and if the right ever hears about this, its going to be labelled as communism.
08:08 AM on 03/27/2012
I am the "right" and a teacher of the gifted and I use the Socratic Method in my classroom with great success. I suppose the part about listening to each other, not being judgemental and seeking understanding were lost on you. Perhaps, if we are able to teach our students to behave in this manner, political partisanship will be minimized.
09:36 AM on 03/27/2012
Indeed.
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Ariel Bonzai
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08:48 AM on 03/29/2012
He's full on phallacious
10:40 AM on 03/27/2012
Classical Studies are usually championed by "the Right."
02:26 AM on 03/28/2012
Wouldn't that be "elitist" of them, though? :)