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Health Care Reform Case: Congress Gets Rough Treatment At Supreme Court

By MARK SHERMAN 03/31/12 06:52 PM ET AP

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court left little doubt during last week's marathon arguments over President Barack Obama's health care overhaul that it has scant faith in Congress' ability to get anything done.

The views about Congress underlay questions from justices who appear to be on both sides of the argument over the constitutionality of the law's key provision, the individual insurance requirement, as well as whether the entire law should be thrown out if the mandate is struck down.

The comments were particularly striking from the conservative justices who have called on unelected judges to show deference to the actions of elected officials.

Justice Antonin Scalia, who appeared strongly in favor of striking down the entire law, was the most outspoken in his disdain for the branch of government that several justices can see from their office windows.

"You can't repeal the rest of the act because you're not going to get 60 votes in the Senate to repeal the rest. It's not a matter of enacting a new act. You've got to get 60 votes to repeal it. So the rest of the act is going to be the law," Scalia said, explaining it might be better to throw the whole thing out.

Justice Anthony Kennedy draw laughs when he asked a lawyer describing what Congress would want the court to do, "Is that the real Congress or a hypothetical Congress?"

Several justices joined in the courtroom's laughing reaction when the lawyer leading the challenge to the law appeared to suggest Congress could pass new legislation "in a couple of days," if the court wiped away the entire law.

The justices thus seemed to be thinking along the same lines as the public, according to polls that show Congress' standing at historic lows.

That outlook, more prevalent among the conservatives than the liberals on the court, is one reason that the Obama administration's lawyers ran into such stiff resistance in questions from the bench.

Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. repeatedly invoked Congress' power under the Constitution to take aggressive action to deal with health care, which makes up 17 percent of the U.S. economy, and with the problem of 50 million people who lack insurance but whose health costs are being passed on to taxpayers and those with insurance.

The court, Verrilli said at the end of Tuesday's argument session, "has a solemn obligation to respect the judgments of the democratically accountable branches of government."

Certainly, the liberal justices appeared to agree with Verrilli that Congress, then under Democratic control, did not exceed its power.

Now, Congress is essentially locked in a stalemate, with power divided between Republicans who control the House and a Democratic majority in the Senate.

Chances are slim that Congress would act to restore any parts of the law that the court might strike down, even noncontroversial provisions.

The bleak prospect for legislation is one reason why Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg urged a cautious approach to a raft of provisions, many already in effect, that have nothing to do with the insurance requirement, including changes to benefits for victims of black lung disease.

"So why should we say, it's a choice between a wrecking operation, which is what you are requesting, or a salvage job," Ginsburg told Paul Clement, the lawyer representing states opposed to the law. "And the more conservative approach would be salvage rather than throwing out everything."

Put another way, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said, "Why we should involve the court in making the legislative judgment?"

Kevin Walsh, a law professor at the University of Richmond who previously served as a Scalia law clerk at the court, said he was surprised by the conservative justices who revealed no apparent trepidation about getting rid of the entire law.

"That would be a very muscular exercise of judicial power," Walsh said.

Scalia has a long history of calling for restraint on the part of unelected judges, and telling people who want changes in the law to go first to their elected representatives.

"You want a right to abortion? Persuade your fellow citizens and enact it. That's flexibility," Scalia said in a 2005 speech in Washington, an example of the kind of remarks he has made many times over his more than 25 years as a justice. "Why in the world would you have it interpreted by nine lawyers?"

But he and Kennedy both suggested that it would be more respectful to Congress to give it a blank slate than to hand it back a massive law, with its key provisions excised.

"Do you really think that that is somehow showing deference to Congress and respecting the democratic process? It seems to me it's a gross distortion of it," Scalia said.

Kennedy envisioned an outcome in which the insurance requirement is struck down, but the court leaves in place other requirements forcing insurers to accept people regardless of existing medical conditions and to limit the premiums for older people.

"We would be exercising the judicial power if one provision was stricken and the others remained to impose a risk on insurance companies that Congress had never intended. By reason of this court, we would have a new regime that Congress did not provide for, did not consider. That, it seems to me, can be argued at least to be a more extreme exercise of judicial power than striking the whole," he said.

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01:01 AM on 04/03/2012
I believe President Obama or a Senator should introduce a legislative bill that would limited the terms of all Supreme Court Appointees to ten year term maximum.We have had enough for this lifetime appointments.These judges think they are GOD with unlimited power to judges to there liking or party affiliate favorite.Times changes why should we keep a bunch of out dated men and women to control our decision and votes etc.Remember they gave us GEORGE BUSH as president!
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vicla1942
04:48 AM on 04/02/2012
5 justices who lie at confirmation hearings and take speaking fees from right wing extremists can
deny millions health care and even increase the death rate for lack of medical care.Hope they
come to their senses.The United decision has corruppted our legal system.Is health care their next target?
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Elyriaohio
Stop the Monarchy
04:46 AM on 04/02/2012
"Germans Confused Over U.S. Healthcare Debate
Their public healthcare system reached a record surplus of $5.28 billion last year and is one of the oldest systems in Europe."
-The world continues to laugh at our ineptness.-
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Laguna
Economist/Philosopher
01:14 AM on 04/02/2012
That's right. Strike down the individual mandate and the insurance companies will have to pay for it all. I would laugh out loud at that solution. Never going to happen.
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wolfml1
making sense out of a senseless world
11:12 PM on 04/01/2012
The Supreme Court, or the Hypocritical Court. Laughing at the Congress when the Court can't even do the right thing or even want to do what's right.
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Nuker
09:47 PM on 04/01/2012
i wonder if they struck this law down in part or in its entirety, would that be considered judicial activism or not? it would make for an election issue. first Gore v. Bush, then Citizens United decision and the prospect of this being overturned? if the Dems played their hand right, they really and finally could make the SCOTUS a real election issue - who do you want calling the shots when it's time to nominate the next justice for the court - Dems or Repubs?
08:25 PM on 04/01/2012
I have a serious question. How would defeating HCR effect the already in place government health insurance enjoyed by Congress The Supreme Court, The Executive Branch and all federal employees? Seriously? I'm not trying to be a wise guy! Does anyone have a clue? If this could be denied to the taxpayer why is it NOT denied to them? Better yet..why can't all of us who are paying for theirs have the same coverege??
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zorba4422
I thought to myself, hmmm
08:22 PM on 04/01/2012
what Congress would want the court to do, "Is that the real Congress or a hypothetical Congress?" The Court have to do nothing like the real Congress They haven't done anything but complaining and whining and refusing to do or to work for the people, but anything favoring the Wealthies and Corporations is good to go....Justice ask is that real Congress or Hypothetycal Congress I say is a plastered Congress.
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Micheal Frisbie
07:52 PM on 04/01/2012
amazing, five goose stepping conservative judges that march to the tune of the same drummer are criticizing congress for passing a law that violates their sense of political agenda.
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MyNameIsMickey
07:34 PM on 04/01/2012
The Supreme Court, now in the law making business. Something the Republicans decried but now embrace.
06:57 PM on 04/01/2012
I wonder if it's occurred to the rightists on the court that if you strike down the mandate, you smother any future attempts to privatize SS or Medicare in the crib.

So, for example, Paul Ryan's budget would be immediately unconstitutional. So would last years. They'd be setting a precedent that the government can only mandate something if it then runs it directly.

Which is fine with me, of course. I'd like the law to stand, but the deep thinkers at the Federalist Society are clearly not thinking long-term here.
05:00 PM on 04/01/2012
The Republicans court no longer stands for justice. Occupy the court building!!!
04:02 PM on 04/01/2012
For those interested who have only read newspaper summaries/heard paid pundits give worthless opinions, here are the original sources I could locate including 1. the appendix submitted to the Supreme Court that has the underlying orders appealed and statutory provisions at issue 2. the briefs submitted by the govt. and 3 the transcripts of the oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court. Note there are two related cases 11-398 and 11-400. Enjoy. It's an eyefull:

Appendix:

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/2pet/7pet/2011-0398.pet.app.pdf

Briefs:

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/2pet/7pet/2011-0398.pet.aa.pdf

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/3mer/2mer/2011-0398.mer.aa(Anti%20Injunction).pdf

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/3mer/2mer/2011-0398.mer.rep(Anti-Injunction).pdf

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/3mer/2mer/2011-0398.mer.aa.pdf

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/3mer/2mer/2011-0398.mer(Minimum%20Coverage).rep.pdf

www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/2011/3mer/2mer/2011-0400.mer.aa.pdf

Transcripts:

www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Monday.pdf
www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Tuesday.pdf
www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-400.pdf
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
01:03 PM on 04/01/2012
To all of you who think this was a Democratic idea it was not, Nixon wanted a Employer Mandate, Grassley, Hatch and Romney wanted a Individual Mandate. The Democrats took this idea and ran with it. The Mandate was put in because the Insurance companies wanted it. If you would like people going to the emergency room without paying than that is what you will get. The other idea is the mandate which makes everyone who can afford it pay into it reducing the price of it.
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PatTheHat
Hey hey my my rock & roll will never die
09:32 PM on 04/01/2012
It's always been a GOP idea, in fact, the Republican oligarchy lovin' corporatists suckin' up to big insurance instead of the people, is a main reason I've always hated the whole idea of it...and I still do.
It wasn't until this president said he was just fine as wine and dandy as candy okey dokey with it, basically if for nothing else, for just the houses to maybe be able to just get something meaningful done with national health care reform...yes Virginia, there' is such a thing as being too pragmatic..how 'bout that, who knew huh???
Of course this could be one badazzz poker hand this prez has been playin', for a possible real joust with single payer/public option/somethin' universal, but I ain't holdin' my breath, way much too convoluted, but a fella can dream...eh, what's another fifty years..
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OnceProudAmerican
Independant and proud of it!
08:23 PM on 04/02/2012
Yep, And when the Republicans saw this happening they disavowed it as "The Government taking over control!"
On one hand they want smaller Government -then turn around and say "We need to drug test the unemployed and welfare recipiants" after they CREATE the monster. When Dubya started two UNPROVOKED wars it was rally round the Pres. When Obama got elected it was "These wars are a drain on the economy!"
What a DOUBLE STANDARD!
Hey guys, You can't have it both ways!
12:44 PM on 04/01/2012
if the government can't force you to buy a product then why is the gov't allowing the insurance companies to force the insured, through increased premiums, to buy a product for the uninsured- am I confused here??