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Citing Islamists, Egypt's Coptic Church Pulls Out Of Constitution Committee

By AYA BATRAWY 04/ 2/12 01:35 PM ET AP

CAIRO — Egypt's Coptic Church withdrew Monday from an Islamist-dominated committee to draft the nation's new constitution and a leading Christian figure said the minority was never really represented to begin with.

The move fed growing fears that Islamists and the military will end up controlling the most important governmental bodies in post-revolutionary Egypt and minorities, women and the liberal groups that drove last year's uprising will be largely excluded. Out of 100 members of the committee originally selected, there were six Christians, six women and a handful of liberals – disproportionately low numbers.

Yousef Sidhom, editor of the weekly Watani newspaper and a Coptic Church official, said the church never officially put forth any members for the panel selected last week.

"How can we withdraw from something we have not been a part of," he said. "We are calling on people to withdraw along with other groups that have pulled out," Sidhom added.

The new constitution will determine whether Egypt leans toward more conservative Islam and whether the decades-old system that concentrated power in the hands of the president will be maintained or replaced by an empowered parliament under an Islamist majority.

The Coptic boycott was the latest defection from the vital body, whose work could set the tone for Egypt's government for decades to come. Liberal and secular members and the main Christian church have left the panel, complaining of lack of diversity. The result is that Islamists, a majority on the panel to begin with, have only cemented their hold on the process.

The Muslim Brotherhood's party and a smaller ultraconservative Islamist faction took more than 70 percent of seats in parliament in elections several months ago, the first vote since the ouster of authoritarian leader Hosni Mubarak in a popular uprising last year. The parliament was responsible for appointing the constitutional panel.

The Brotherhood also declared this week it would field a presidential candidate in May elections, reversing an earlier pledge that it would not contest the vote. That too stoked the concerns that the next government will not be inclusive and represent the whole spectrum of society.

The state news agency MENA reported Monday that the church called its participation "futile" under the current makeup of the panel, dominated by Islamists.

Christians make up about 10 percent of Egypt's 85 million people and most of them are Copts.

A former member of the church's administrative affairs body, Nabil Mirhom, and the Coptic Pope's lawyer, Magdy Shenouda, were both nominated as symbolic representatives to the panel and both have withdrawn, according to Sidhom. They were among the six Christians originally appointed to the panel.

Last week, former Christian lawmaker and Political Science Professor Mona Makran Obeid said the panel also had no Bedouins from Egypt's Sinai Peninsula and no Nubians from the southern border with Sudan. Both groups are minorities.

"This panel has to be greater than the result of a parliamentary election," said Obeid, explaining why she withdrew.

In total, some 25 public figures have pulled out, saying the body that was voted on by parliament fails to represent the country's diversity and does not have enough constitutional experts.

A representative from Egypt's pre-eminent institute of Islamic learning , Al-Azhar, has also withdrawn from the assembly.

Some of those who have pulled out are planning to return to street protests. But some liberals are also calling on the country's ruling military to intervene.

The head of the ruling military council, Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, met with representatives of political parties, including the Brotherhood's political arm, to discuss the standoff before the panel met last week.

A recent statement by the military council said "there will not be a specific constitution for a specific faction."

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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
11:33 PM on 04/02/2012
Things aren't quite as black-and-white in Egypt as many people are presuming.

For instance, the vice-president of the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party is well-known Coptic priest, Rafiq Habib.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/node/733621

He has outlined his views, here:

http://freemuslimbrotherhood.com/article.php?id=29334

And while the Muslim Brotherhood is by definition Islamist, they've made clear their intentions to work hand-in-hand with all Egyptians, as Muslim Brotherhood leader Dr. Mohamed Badei outlined during a recent visit to an Evangelical Christian Church:

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=29776

I'm not "pro-Muslim-Brotherhood" by any stretch -- simply pro-fact ... and a lot of people seem to presume that the Muslim Brotherhood are a big part of the problem with respect to Coptic Christians in Egypt ... when the facts don't seem to support that view.
10:58 PM on 04/02/2012
religious nuts wil doom Egypt. Women should head for the hills
03:08 PM on 04/02/2012
Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist, has an interesting article on why dialogue, diplomacy, intellectual debate, compromise and peaceful coexistence with Islamists is impossible.

Islamists live in a completely different ethical universe from the rest of us, where attempts at compromise are seen as signs of weakness and invitations to be attacked: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/04/robert-spencer-interviews-nicolai-sennels-muslims-are-taught-to-be-aggressive-insecure-irresponsible.html
05:25 AM on 04/03/2012
Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist, has an interesting article on why dialogue, diplomacy, intellectual debate, compromise and peaceful coexistence with Islamists is impossible.
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For peaceful coexistence you do not need dialogue, diplomacy, intellectuals debate or compromise. You need mutual respect based upon clearly defined boundaries and limits. You do not get there invading and bombing.
03:00 PM on 04/02/2012
If the Parliament concentrates on righteousness, they shouldn't have too much backlash from the public. Sometimes in the guise of "freedom", the perpetrators with the intentions of spreading wickedness and evil in the land, lucrative as it may be, poor souls, can't manage to find their paths, even with pastors, that a great evil can be dissiminated leading the flock down a high cliff. Hopefully, these Muslims, won't buy in to bribery and corruption looking to line their own pockets and neglect the responsibilities they have now to a nation that's been in history before even Israel was even a kingdom. For being neighbors, Egypt and Israel, both having pending constitutions to be written, based on soley righteousness, you wouldn't think that they would be so different. This can be looked at as a sort of contest to see which is better able to provide/manage all that's needed for the people of the nation to live this righteous life as the intentions of our holy books guide, law and order and all.
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BlackYowe
I am a classical- liberal woman and a Jeweler.
01:21 PM on 04/02/2012
I fear for the Copts. Things look pretty frightening for Egypt's future at this point.
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NAVRETRD
78YR OLD USN RETIRED
12:54 PM on 04/02/2012
Don't expect the muslims to give a inch they will dominate peacefully or by force, they will never change untill the final battle with christ.
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busterggi
I'm a Sally Randian
12:28 PM on 04/02/2012
So because the Copts, et al, want more representation they are withdrawing from the committee and now they'll have no representation.

How back-assward can they get?
05:28 AM on 04/03/2012
Three minor liberal-modern parties withdrew as well. They were going to be steam-rollered. They are attempting to delegitimize the constitutional committee. It does seem a very risky route to take.
cworr
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11:47 AM on 04/02/2012
Islam only believes in freedom of religion when they are the minority. Once they have the numbers, they are the most intolerant people in the world. Christians, Jews, and others are being persecuted and driven out of the middle east entirely. This shouldn't be surprising though. That is the blueprint layed out by the Koran. Mohammed pioneered it himself. He peacefully took power in Medina, then invaded and conquered Mecca.
01:31 PM on 04/02/2012
You add the ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Kashmir to your list. Pakistan used to be 30-35% non-Muslim in 1947. Today it is 99% Muslim after decades of genocide (1971), ethnic cleansing and forced conversions.
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08:57 PM on 04/02/2012
Christians have never believed in freedom of religion for other faiths until the US constitution and even then there are many people today that claim that freedom of religion only applies to Christian sects.
05:29 AM on 04/03/2012
Christians have never believed in freedom of religion for other faiths
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That is untrue.
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Watching rock grow
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08:26 PM on 04/03/2012
Really? What about the Liber ludiciorum c. 654 and allowed to exist after 711 only after the Christians paid their non-Islamic taxes after Spain fell to the Moors.
11:46 AM on 04/02/2012
And now That the Muslim brotherhood has gone back on their word and will have a candidate running for president of Egypt. Not a good time to be a Christian in Egypt.
10:59 PM on 04/02/2012
not a good time to be a women in Egypt
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
11:36 PM on 04/02/2012
Maybe the fact that the vice-president of the Muslim Brotherhood's political party, the FJP, is a Coptic Christian will be a mitigating influence.

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=28698

http://www.egyptindependent.com/node/733621
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Watching rock grow
FE = Iron, and Female = Iron Male :)
08:27 PM on 04/03/2012
Hopefully Doug, but I am not going to hold my breath to see it.
11:45 AM on 04/02/2012
Are we still going to give the Egyptians 1 1/2 billion dollers?
11:42 AM on 04/02/2012
I knew this was going to happen, Another middle eastern country going backwards.
11:37 AM on 04/02/2012
A nightmare is coming. The Arab Spring is truning into a Winter of Intolerance.
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nadohawk
Let's bring love back to liberalism
11:36 AM on 04/02/2012
And many in the West cheered for the revolution. Just shows how ill-informed Westerners are about the way revolutions are handled in that part of the country...."news" flash...life often ends up worse for those who wanted/needed change the most and were not pulling the strings.
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hiitsjoan
12:06 PM on 04/02/2012
When you give them a choice, they *vote in* the hardline Islamists. Q: How do you help people who WANT to live under the Taliban? A: You don't....
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Jerry Frey
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11:09 AM on 04/02/2012
Judaism has all but disappeared from Iraq. Christianity is disappearing. Copts are under thrat in Egypt.

http://napoleonlive.info/did-you-know/muslim-democracy/
11:31 AM on 04/02/2012
Well, Jerry, you're the first post on here.
5 will get you 20 that, in the hours to come, you'll see a lot more posts on ISRAEL's discrimination against other religions.
Sure, the only time Christians were freee to practice is when Jews are in charge. SURE, Israel has 7 Arab political parties in Knesset, but wait - You'll SEE the anti-Israel sentiment on here before too long.
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SoapboxKing
11:41 AM on 04/02/2012
Plain fact is that the majority discriminates against the minority and religion in the middle east or the US is no exception.
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AxisV
How do we sleep while our beds are burning?
02:39 PM on 04/02/2012
Jews and Christian lived in Muslim lands for a thousand years relatively unmolested. The track record for Jews in Europe is far less flattering culminating in the slaughter of 6 million Jews in WW2. Christians also wiped out the native religions of the Red man when colonizing North America, burning their histories and converting them to Christianity wherever they were found. Your own hands are not so clean.
11:01 PM on 04/02/2012
this cleanses yours?