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President Obama Locks Horns With Chief Justice Roberts Over Health Care Case

Posted: 04/ 4/2012 8:05 pm Updated: 04/ 5/2012 4:24 pm

WASHINGTON -- Looking to a Supreme Court decision in the health care case months away, President Barack Obama has locked horns with Chief Justice John Roberts over how historically significant a decision striking down the mandate would be.

"We have not seen a Court overturn a law that was passed by Congress on a economic issue, like health care, that I think most people would clearly consider commerce -- a law like that has not been overturned at least since Lochner," Obama told reporters on Tuesday, defending his Affordable Care Act in the face of news stories predicting a loss at the high court. "So we're going back to the '30s, pre-New Deal."

Lochner. It's a name familiar to lawyers, but barely known to the general public. Referring to a 1905 Supreme Court case, Lochner v. New York, that struck down a state law capping bakers' weekly hours, the epithet harkens back to an era, stretching roughly from the 1890s through the 1930s, when a conservative Supreme Court struck down liberal economic regulations at the state and federal levels.

Invoking Lochner's specter of aggressive judicial activism has long been the legalese equivalent of brandishing a cross before a vampire. And President Obama, a former constitutional law lecturer at the University of Chicago, knows full well that no justice, spare Clarence Thomas, wants to be grouped with discredited predecessors who read laissez-faire, Social Darwinist policy preferences into the Constitution to thwart the will of the people on issues ranging from minimum wages to child labor.

Perhaps that is why Chief Justice Roberts during last week's oral arguments sought to stamp out any suggestion of Lochner's relevance to the health care cases. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, defending the health care law's individual mandate under heavy fire from the Republican-appointed justices, had just used the L-word to characterize his opponents' argument.

"The key in Lochner is that we were talking about regulation of the states, right, and the states are not limited to enumerated powers," Roberts said. "The federal government is. And it seems to me it's an entirely different question when you ask yourself whether or not there are going to be limits on the federal power, as opposed to limits on the states, which was the issue in Lochner."

In Roberts' framing, a decision to strike down the individual mandate would not be a step toward reviving an infamous era of constitutional history. Rather, it would be a routine policing of the outer bounds of Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce.

Never mind that such policing, as Obama emphasized, has not been used to strike down a sitting president's signature legislative achievement in more than 75 years. Or that those earlier decisions flowed not from federalism concerns, but from a hostility -- sometimes openly stated -- to progressive presidents, Congresses and statehouses.

David Bernstein, a law professor at George Mason University, said that Obama and Roberts reflect the "very different perspectives that the left and the right have on Lochner." Bernstein, who wrote the book "Rehabilitating Lochner," is a libertarian sympathetic to the pre-New Deal Court's active enforcement of economic rights.

For the right, said Bernstein, the case stands for the Supreme Court's illegitimate imposition of its political beliefs -- whether against workers' protections a century ago or in favor of abortion and gay rights today -- upon the states.

"On the left, what was wrong with Lochner was not that the judiciary was being too aggressive," Bernstein said. "The problem was that the courts should stay out of the field of reviewing government's economic regulations."

Both sides can agree, then, that Romneycare, as a state regulation of its health care industry, will stand even if Obamacare falls.

But an unscathed Massachusetts mandate -- and any state laws that might follow in the federal mandate's demise -- would hardly subdue the sense among the Affordable Care Act's supporters that the Roberts Court, with its five Republican appointees, is the most radically conservative Supreme Court since the 1930s.

Obama's reference to Lochner served to limit the scope of his comments on Monday, when he expressed his confidence that "an unelected group of people" would not take the "unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress." That statement still set off a firestorm over whether he was denying the Supreme Court's power, accepted since the 1803 case of Marbury v. Madison, to do just that.

On Tuesday, a federal appeals court in Texas, hearing argument over another provision of the Affordable Care Act, demanded from the Department of Justice a three-page, single-spaced letter "stating specifically and in detail in reference to [the president's Monday] statements what the authority is of the federal courts in this regard in terms of judicial review." Judge Jerry Smith, who issued the highly unusual order, is a Republican appointee, as are the other two judges on the panel.

The Obama administration, for its part, doubled down on referencing Lochner to shape the constitutional and political narrative while the justices draft their opinions behind closed doors. At a briefing on Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney used the term four times.

The Justice Department's letter, due on Thursday at noon to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, is expected to affirm that the Obama administration considers judicial review, in general, an uncontroversial fact of the American constitutional system. But Smith's order also presents the administration with another opportunity to impress upon the federal judiciary that a decision split sharply along partisan lines that rejected an economic regulation after three-quarters of a century of leaving Congress largely to its own devices would play poorly in the public arena.

Before last week's Supreme Court arguments, many expected that consideration would outweigh Chief Justice Roberts' gut distaste for the mandate. His Lochner comments, meant to neutralize the Obama administration's appeals to history and turn the radical into the routine, suggest otherwise.

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Nonpartay 02:22 AM on 04/05/2012
I just love how conservatives want to limit the power of the Congress and especially the President (when there's a Democrat in the White House) while just 9 people who are not elected are supposed to be all-powerful. The elected Representatives of the people, hundreds of them, voted for the Affordable Care Act, an act that has already saved a number of lives of people who were able to get medical conditions  Read More...
11:16 AM on 05/25/2012
The health care bill should have never bin passed by the congress. This bill only passed congress through the bribery of U.S. congressmen in at least 3 states. Our government is totality corrupted by financial gains and ideals are disregarded.
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goatini
We are two-legged wombs, that’s all
10:59 PM on 04/13/2012
Wow, amazing how the GOTP roaches come skittering out, when a magna cum laude Harvard Law grad with 12 years of teaching Constitutional law flexes his expertise and experience. Must be because he's "blah".
11:35 AM on 05/25/2012
How can Obama teach constitutional law for 12 years and not know his health care plan is unconstitutional ? Maybe if his records were not sealed we would know. The constitution is not that difficult to comprehend by anyone.
12:27 PM on 04/10/2012
Again.. let's start by calling this what it is ... Socialism... Now, let's move forward with the debate..
04:16 PM on 04/10/2012
While we're at it, let's call Social Security Socialism and do away with that, too, because it's the government forcing people to pay into a retirement account. Oh, yeah and Medicare is socialized medicine so let's get rid of that too. Oh, yeah...don't want to anger those who have become used to it. But those were the exact arguments against those programs when they were initiated.
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spud3
Forward into oblivion
10:54 AM on 04/09/2012
“Blaming anyone else for their own errors is an Obama administration stock and trade
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JohnnyRivers
Join The Sean Hammity STOP SUCCESS EXPRESS!
08:22 PM on 04/07/2012
K Street is pulling the Supreme Courts strings. The only way to influence the court is with cash over decades long before the judges become judges. At this point conservative judges are paying it backwards. Lobbyist brought them to the party... Now they must dance. The Insurance Mega-Billionaires are the puppet masters... "We The People" are the suckers born everyday.
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JaxArab
Will say it like it is..
08:44 PM on 04/09/2012
And How much did K street paid to the supreme court ?
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01:13 PM on 04/07/2012
Obama needs to just settle down and quit being so antsy.

The Supreme Court, in it's infinite and superior wisdom-

will inform the President as to the legality of the law-

in due course.
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JaxArab
Will say it like it is..
08:45 PM on 04/09/2012
He cannot help himself, that is the agitator in him.
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endofthemiddleclass
The Economy Grows from the Middle Out
11:43 AM on 04/07/2012
What is government for? 1. Welfare of the people 2. protect the environment from human rape 3. Armed forces for defense from terrorism and attacks.

Government can also be considered a part of the services we purchase as a collective people. I heard Romney state that the "free market" is the economy. I don't agree. The services we purchase through the legislative process and taxation is also part of the economy.

Health care is a service that should be provided at a basic level to promote the general welfare. This is supported in the preamble of our Constitution, and although not referenced directly when making law, it certainly was part of what our founding fathers deemed a role of government.

So many Americans are put into financial hardship due to health issues. This is one collective service that makes sense. This should not be a insurance game for a few CEOs to make huge profits.

There should be monetary merit for health care improvements. Doctors and scientists should receive monetary incentives for creating better medical practices. Medical administrators should be given monetary bonuses for creating more efficient use of medical resources and analyzing data for best practices.
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01:14 PM on 04/07/2012
Nice post Comrade.

Cuba is beckoning.
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noonrock
retired
06:02 PM on 04/07/2012
Thank you soccer fan, the post you commented on is most typical of the "new" ultra-left socialism.
04:19 PM on 04/10/2012
I have the same thing to say to you as I said to Shawman65...ready to give up your Social Security & Medicare? I think not.
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dad4lifesl
Educated White Heterosexual Male & a Proud Vet!
06:28 PM on 04/07/2012
"To lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States, that is to say, "to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare." For the laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union." --Thomas Jefferson

"Aided by a little sophistry on the words "general welfare," [the federal branch claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --Thomas Jefferson
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AskandThink
OWS! Because WAR is HELL!
10:32 AM on 04/07/2012
Personally I think the days of needing any small and especially unelected lifetime group of people to interpret and enforce any law of these United States is well past done.

200+ years ago when the general population did not read or write SCOTUS as the ultimate legal basis made rational sense. Now…? Not so much. Let them continue to work but develop a “We the People’s” overriding mechanism for those legal judgments that cause country wide contentions. After giving a stronger voice to those paper corporation people the voice of the WE the people deserves a stronger ultimate tool don’t you think?

Seems fair and more reasonable to me than pitchforks and guillotines…. by hey, I’m an Independent, I can go either way.
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09:46 AM on 04/07/2012
Healthcare is not a right
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endofthemiddleclass
The Economy Grows from the Middle Out
11:35 AM on 04/07/2012
It should be. It is the basic services provided by the collective of a civilized country. We have the right to a public education, it seems that health care should also be a right. It is one of the major causes of financial distress to middle class and poor Americans.
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01:16 PM on 04/07/2012
Healthcare cannot be a de facto "right".

You cannot possess a right which is fundamentally predicated upon the labor

of another person-not unless you would enslave that other person.
02:38 PM on 04/07/2012
You will end up with nothing...
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Njeanous
02:23 PM on 04/07/2012
In a civilized society where people pay taxes to run the government it should be a right at least access to some reasonable choices should be a right. Anyway that’s not the problem the problem is the cost. Healthcare supporters of ALEC keep the prices so high that affordability makes it so out of reach that even if it was just another commodity its price is unconstitutional, like making the cost of a bottle of water $100.00 would be. But then all other commodities are bound by fair pricing laws, but not healthcare.
02:37 PM on 04/07/2012
Sorry....I disagree........a free market solution would make Insurance around $150 a month.......thats as good as it gets.......cell phone or insurance
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2lib4oh
05:16 AM on 04/07/2012
Since Obama has already, in the annual SOTU address mandated by Constitution, acknowledged the ability of the Court to overturn a popular law like McCain/Feingold, judge Jerry Smith is either disingenuous or stupid.

In either case, the effect is the same, 5th Circuit provides quotes from Rush Limbaugh as its judicial authority.
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Njeanous
02:26 PM on 04/07/2012
And that is where the investigation should begin. Can justices taking money in exchange for opinions be removed from the bench? If Smith gets his cues from Limbaugh then it is quite possible he gets his kick back from the same place.
Fellow American
I prefer not to have a micro-bio
05:13 PM on 04/07/2012
It must be a vast right-wing conspiracy... LOL
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JaxArab
Will say it like it is..
08:47 PM on 04/09/2012
You are a genius.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
11:08 PM on 04/06/2012
Stand tall, lads.... they are on the run...
10:49 PM on 04/06/2012
Does any politician ever answer any question?
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01:16 PM on 04/07/2012
Why would you ask such a question?
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Njeanous
02:28 PM on 04/07/2012
Maybe, but the ones that don’t and continually change the subject and skirt around the answer are the ones to watch out for.
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
10:44 PM on 04/06/2012
Despite the obvious slant of this article, one thing they did say

"Never mind that such policing, as Obama emphasized, has not been used to strike down a sitting president's signature legislative achievement in more than 75 years"

deserves an answer...

Obama won't be sitting in the White House much longer.

ABO 2012
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esword2020
the truth is important for dem not so much for rep
12:20 PM on 04/07/2012
im taking bets lol
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UTARebel
No one can win without the Independent Vote
01:03 PM on 04/07/2012
A waste of time and money - the lack of JOBS will take him out easily.
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CSNC
Living on the edge -- not taking too much space
10:31 PM on 04/06/2012
"President Obama Locks Horns With Chief Justice Roberts"

There is nothing worse than a socialist with horns.

H
12:32 AM on 04/07/2012
Why? Because the Regressives are the only ones allowed to have horns? They goes well with their scales and and forked tails......
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CSNC
Living on the edge -- not taking too much space
12:35 AM on 04/07/2012
popdukes1,

You missed the satire... Obama is not socialist (We hoped he was). The horn citation was used to make a joke.

Do I have to explain every single detail here? How about using some, just a little bit, of critical thinking..., uh?

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01:20 AM on 04/07/2012
Check your subject-verb agreement
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Njeanous
02:34 PM on 04/07/2012
yes there is…Imperialist with guns.
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CSNC
Living on the edge -- not taking too much space
04:52 PM on 04/07/2012
Njeanous,

Like... what we now have?

H
09:46 PM on 04/06/2012
Obama has just enough sense to be dangerous, he surely over stepped his bounds with the remarks he made about the Supreme court, He just needs to let it go Obama care will never make it.
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firewired
Compared to what?
09:48 PM on 04/06/2012
FanNDNFavD for the good, common sense advice! But I doubt he listens much.....
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10:00 PM on 04/06/2012
I think all he was saying was that it should be based on legal facts, not political, as was the giving of the election to Bush in 2000; the SC didn't even give legal reasoning for it, in fact said it was not to be precedent !!!
In other words, we GOP on the SC are STEALING THE ELECTION, we
have NO LEGAL REASON to do it !!!
Bush also lost Ohio in 2004, even a phony terror threat.
If a Dem did that he'd go to jail !
06:37 AM on 04/07/2012
cincinnati, oh...obama will be going to jail along with holder...obama is done in nov...