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Supreme Court Justices Possibly Misunderstood Insurance Requirement In Health Care Case

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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR   04/11/12 09:49 AM ET  AP

WASHINGTON — A possible misunderstanding about President Barack Obama's health care overhaul could cloud Supreme Court deliberations on its fate, leaving the impression that the law's insurance requirement is more onerous than it actually is.

During the recent oral arguments some of the justices and the lawyers appearing before them seemed to be under the impression that the law does not allow most consumers to buy low-cost, stripped-down insurance to satisfy its controversial coverage requirement.

In fact, the law provides for a cheaper "bronze" plan that is broadly similar to today's so-called catastrophic coverage policies for individuals, several insurance experts said.

"I think there is confusion," said Paul Keckley, health research chief for Deloitte, a major benefits consultant. "I found myself wondering how much they understood the Affordable Care Act. Several times the questions led me to wonder how much (the justices') clerks had gone back into the law in advance of the arguments."

Monthly premiums for the bronze plan would be lower, and it would cover a much smaller share of medical expenses than a typical employer plan.

"Bronze is a very skinny product," said Keckley.

Starting in 2014, the health care law requires most Americans to obtain health insurance, either through an employer, a government program, or by buying their own policies. In return, insurance companies would be prohibited from turning away the sick. Government would subsidize premiums for millions now uninsured.

The law's opponents argue that Congress overstepped its constitutional authority by issuing the mandate, while the administration says the requirement is permissible because it serves to regulate interstate commerce. The scope of the mandate was one of several key issues argued before the court.

"If I understand the law, the policies that you're requiring people to purchase ... must contain provision for maternity and newborn care, pediatric services and substance use treatment," said Chief Justice John Roberts. "It seems to me that you cannot say that everybody is going to need ... substance use treatment or pediatric services, and yet that is part of what you require them to purchase."

That may be true, but the law's bronze plan isn't exactly robust coverage. It would require policyholders to spend thousands of dollars of their own money before insurance kicks in. That's how catastrophic coverage works now.

It means anyone – particularly younger, healthy people – can satisfy the health care law's insurance requirement without paying full freight for comprehensive coverage they may not need.

Solicitor General Donald Verrilli did not highlight the bronze plan in his defense of the law, an omission that may prove significant.

"I would definitely say that if you listen to the court proceedings it would be easy to come away with the impression that the health care reform law was requiring people to buy Cadillac insurance, which is certainly not the case," said Larry Levitt, head of the Kaiser Family Foundation's Initiative on Health Reform and Private Insurance. The foundation is a nonpartisan information clearinghouse.

The health care law does impose a minimum set of "essential health benefits" for most insurance plans. Those benefits have yet to be specified, but are expected to reflect what a typical small-business plan now offers, with added preventive, mental health and other services.

On the surface, the minimum benefits requirement does seem to mandate comprehensive coverage. But another provision of the law works in the opposite direction, and the two have to be weighed together.

This second provision allows insurance companies to sell policies that have widely different levels of annual deductibles and copayments. A "platinum" plan would cover 90 percent of expected health care expenses, but on the bottom tier a bronze plan only covers 60 percent. Employer plans now cover about 80 percent.

"The minimum that people will be required to buy under the health reform law is clearly a catastrophic plan," said Levitt.

In return for taking on more financial risk, you'll pay lower monthly premiums for a bronze plan, making it easier to budget for. You'll be covered for the same kinds of treatments as everybody else, but your plan won't pay the hospital bill until you've spent a good chunk of your own money out of pocket.

A Kaiser study estimated that the annual deductible for a bronze plan could range from $2,750 to $6,350. The deductible is the amount a policy holder must pay directly before insurance payments kick in.

A separate study by the foundation found that people buying individual health policies in the current insurance market end up paying an average of 35 percent of their medical costs out of their own pockets, in line with the 40 percent consumers with a bronze plan would face.

While the bronze plan is available to anyone, the law also provides for another level of catastrophic insurance limited to people under age 30, and expected to be even skimpier.

Such nuances were seemingly lost before the Supreme Court. One of the lawyers representing the plaintiffs, Michael Carvin, asserted during the arguments that "Congress prohibits anyone over 30 from buying any kind of catastrophic health insurance."

Verrilli did not challenge Carvin's characterization, but it is raising eyebrows among insurance professionals.

"I don't think that's exactly right," said benefits lawyer Mark Holloway of the Lockton Companies, a major insurance broker serving mid-size companies. "It depends on what you call catastrophic coverage."

Carvin says he stands by his statement in court that the law prohibits anyone over 30 from buying any kind of catastrophic insurance.

"The bronze plan is not catastrophic coverage," said Carvin, who represents the National Federation of Independent Business.

"It's got all the minimum essential benefits in it," he added. "It's got to have wellness, preventive, contraceptives – all kinds of things a 30-year old would never need. It's not remotely catastrophic."

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Radicalreader
09:12 AM on 04/16/2012
Roberts argument that Some people won't need substance abuse treatment or pediatric care is rediculous. The whole idea of insurance is a bet that you won't need it but you might. How can a judge know what someone may or may not need medically.
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turnerj41
08:32 AM on 04/15/2012
good points, but the activist court wants to hand the president a loss, and wants to set precedent on the limits of commerce. They love corporations and they want to let corruption in regulation rule. Also the next president will probably appoint a couple justices, and this will be a timely loss to hand Obama. backlash for gas prices and election economics will be at record proportions and it will certainly shave some points.
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
09:50 AM on 04/14/2012
I just made a point in a reply important enough to post as a main post.

What other solutions are there besides the mandate? There is, of course, single payer, but conservatives and moderates oppose it for being too liberal. The mandate is the only free-market solution that will work.

The only other options I can see: The status quo, which just won't work and is going to require massive increased taxes (we already pay more in taxes than any of the "single payer" countries on healthcare) or repealing the law that emergency rooms must accept patients.

The last alternative, which appears to be what conservatives want, would have frightening results. It works like this: You have a heart attack, or a stroke, or are in a car accident. Perhaps your child is injured. You have a small boy or girl who was in a car accident and shrapnel is sticking out of his or her head.

The parents go in. "We have no insurance."
"Okay, the cost is $25,000. Would you like to pay Cash, Visa or American Express?"
"We don't have $25,000, and we don't have that much credit."
"Okay. Please take your child back out to the street where he can die in peace. And try not to drip any blood on the floor. Housekeeping? Can we get housekeeping in here?"
11:19 AM on 04/16/2012
We have had medicaid for many years. Do you know of anyone who has had the experience you cite? I don't. A mandate is certainly not "free market". It is exortion from those who object to it. Just the opposite of "free market".
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:05 PM on 04/16/2012
Some states are defunding Medicaid. This is one of the objections to Wisconsin's Scott Walker. Should life and death be a free market choice? Should parents make this kind of choice for their children? How precious to us is the freedom to die a wretched unnecessary death? These questions are hyperbole to be sure, but they are valid for being where your argument leads.

The "free market" is far from holy. In fact holy orders may involve poverty and service. Care for the poor have historically been provided by holy orders. Part of the current crisis is the collapse of the former systems and the rise of healthcare provider billionaire families.
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
09:05 PM on 04/16/2012
"Mandate" is semantics... really, it's a CHOICE: You may choose to get health insurance from anywhere you want, you may choose to get a job that provides it, OR, you may choose to pay the tax penalty, WHICH WILL HELP PAY YOUR COSTS when you show up in the emergency room with a heart attack, stroke or after an accident. WHAT, are you a freeloader who wants to get a free ride at the emergency room on taxpayers expense?
08:35 AM on 04/14/2012
I don't think the Supreme Court has the intlligence to judge this
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:07 PM on 04/16/2012
The odds that you are right seem to be 5-4.
04:30 PM on 04/19/2012
I agree with that. I too think anyone that doesn't agree with all my political opinions just doesn't have the "intlligence" to see it my way.
02:36 PM on 04/19/2012
I generally do my best not to insult others' intelligence in here because I invariably do something like spell "intlligence" wrong...just sayin'....
02:39 PM on 04/23/2012
I think typos should be the least of our concerns, especially since many of us are probably typing on a tiny smartphone keyboard with our thumbs. jusy sayin.
07:17 PM on 04/13/2012
No confusion at all.....except for the liberal support trying to undermine judicial review.the law requires all to buy, doesn't matter the cost.....the key word is requires.
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glitterik
Mexico Daydreams ....
12:04 PM on 04/14/2012
You, of course, would prefer the current system that REQUIRES people with insurance pay for those who choose not to have insurance. Nice.
06:15 PM on 04/14/2012
No....you have it backwards. I'm a little tired of paying for those who have proclaimed themselves "victims" of society.
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moonlightesq
02:23 PM on 04/13/2012
If there is any misunderstanding or confusion, then that can only be the fault of those who drafted the bill.
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:14 PM on 04/16/2012
Those who deliberately misrepresent the bill (death panels and all that) have some responsibility for the "confusion."
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moonlightesq
10:24 AM on 04/17/2012
DIfficult to misrepresent if the writing is precise and leaves no ambiguity for varying interpretation be argued.
10:20 PM on 04/12/2012
But you are still forced to pay for it.... ILLEGAL.
12:26 AM on 04/13/2012
agreed
08:36 AM on 04/14/2012
Illegality has not been established
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charles conlan
06:37 PM on 04/12/2012
Auto Insurance is a mandate in State Law.
License tabs are a mandated requirement.
We do not have Professional freedom from our care takers, This is mandated law.
Many of our so called freedoms are disguised through mandated law and are enforced if necessary.
We are governed by socialistic city, county, state and federal law as well as policed by these very agency's.
The Federal care act will be know different.
08:27 PM on 04/12/2012
STATES CAN MANDATE

FEDERALIES CAN NOT

IF YOU DO NOT OWN A CAR YOU DO NOT NEED AUTO INS
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charles conlan
10:27 PM on 04/12/2012
You say The Fed can not mandate law, then go out and smoke a joint of pot and see the power that be.
12:30 AM on 04/13/2012
and with a state mandate you can opt out by moving out of the state and you can still live within the US

with a federal mandate you can not do the same
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08:31 PM on 04/12/2012
again in english
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08:55 PM on 04/12/2012
your posts are awesome
04:08 PM on 04/12/2012
A journalist clarifies a crucial point to the Supreme Court. Bet they are most appreciative.
08:32 PM on 04/12/2012
WHO'S THE JOUNALIST ?
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yeti7
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03:48 PM on 04/12/2012
All you have to do is listen the attorney representing the government.
The obama care is forcing everybody to buy a product from a third party
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consultingpbh
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12:05 AM on 04/13/2012
And if you have to buy or pay $100/month not to buy...that is a tax/fee for what... Medicare has an "Unfunded Liability" of $38 Trillion...one of the reasons is that the government spends designated taxes for certain off-budget accounts on "other" on-budget spending. Intragovernmental Holdings, debt the government owes the taxpayer is $4.7 Trillion. Total debt $15.7 Trillon, 50 states debt $4.5 Trillion, all counties and cities another $4.5 Trillion...Sallie Mae put $450 Billion in student loans into default guaranteed by the taxpayer.
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"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded." ---- Eisenhower
Eisenhower also warned the nation that his VP was not qualified to be president.
JFK narrowly defeated nixon...But we ended up with LBJ and the Gulf of Tonkin "Hoaxes." and the First war the US lost that shouldn't have been fought.
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yeti7
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08:48 AM on 04/13/2012
I thought JFK started the involvement SE Asia "war' by the USA
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new beginning
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09:24 AM on 04/12/2012
If there truly is a "bronze" plan, then what the heck was the big debate about BC?

Ie if employers have the opportunity to choose a pared down plan, then there would have been no BC issue. The issue at the time was government's attempt to interfere with religious views of the RC Church.

Is there an issue, or isn't there?

Where in the law does it talk about the alternative of selecting such a pared down plan?
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MsLizabeth
Flaming liberal, burned out attorney
11:33 AM on 04/12/2012
How one frames the issue, is the issue.

To me, it is absurd to assert that President Obama decided to pick on Roman Catholics, and looked for an issue to provoke them with. This is the straw man in my mind. As you said, "The issue at the time was government's attempt to interfree with religious views of the RC Church."

My POV is that society wants to prevent unwanted pregnancies so that babies will be born in to mothers and fathers able and willing to nurture them. So bam, make scientific advances in pregnancy prevention available without a copay. This makes an incredible difference in the health of women, which means the health of mothers. Mandating maternity and pediatric care likewise put medical attention where society can most benefit and reduce costs. I see this because I have worked in public welfare and family law. There is a widespread need for our young adults to attain economic viability and pregnancy prevention, maternity care, and well child check ups are a civilization's response to an urgent need. What is the downside of healthy wanted kids? What is the President's alleged motivation to piss of the Cardinals? Now consider why certain people promulgate this calumny. Yeah, there is the politically despicable behavior.

There
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
11:54 AM on 04/12/2012
Sorry your post was cut off.

"What is the President's motivation"? I would argue his motivation is to divide the country and solidify his base.

I don't have any issue with healthy mothers and children.

But the pertinent question here is whether there is a "Bronze" plan option on the table as this article alleges. Because if there is, then there never would have been an issue about BC because employers could have chosen a plan that met THEIR needs.

And I agree that young adults need to attain economic security before having a family. AND they need to learn how to take care of their own needs and priorities.
03:41 PM on 04/12/2012
The Roman Catholic Church has clear beliefs and ideals regarding the procedure for infanticide known as abortion. It has clear beliefs and ideals regarding the use of birth control to prevent pregnancy. It has clear beliefs and ideals about the repugnant use of "Plan B" home infanticide medications that end a pregnancy that has already begun. These beliefs and ideals are shared by other Christian denominations and individuals. I cannot speak for other non-Christian religions. Requiring Religious employers to provide for medical care that is sinful within the beliefs of that religion takes direct aim at how those churches and individuals practice their religion. In my church, not only are using birth control and bringing about an unnatural end to a pregnancy sinful, but also sinful is participating in the sinful behavior of another. This was an intentional assault on the Roman Catholic Church as well as the religions of other individuals and churches that share those beliefs. The political calculation was that there was more support than opposition for the unconstitutional mandate. The policital calculation was that the legislation could be quickly passed and implemented before anyone found out about it or could do anything. The political calculations did not envision an early legal challenge. The political calculation relied on Kagan and Sotomayor to bring about the desired ruling when the legal challenge took place. The President doesn't just piss off Cardinals, he interferes with how I have been practicing my religion in my church all my life.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
03:49 PM on 04/12/2012
he is full of it
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03:59 PM on 04/12/2012
Wondering who is "he"?
09:03 AM on 04/12/2012
With regard to insurance coverage of "pre-existing" condiditions, the most egregious and preventable of which is morbid obesity, I think I should be able to buy life insurance at 70 for the same price that a 25 year old pays. Why punish the pre-existing condition called life?
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
10:00 AM on 04/14/2012
Morbid obesity is certainly a serious medical condition. It's not as easily preventable as you think. Many people require surgeries and medical assistance with their metabolisms for that condition, which can be as problematic as cancer, diabetes, or any other condition. Unfortunately, unlike cancer and diabetes, there's also a stigma attached to that medical condition that causes many people in society to blame the victim of that chronic illness.
05:21 PM on 04/14/2012
A significant portion of morbid obesity is a result of metabolic conditions but I submit that the overwhelming majority of it is the result of undisciplined gluttony.
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billw8017
History looks like this
07:40 PM on 04/16/2012
I think you should use your Medicare coverage despite your willingness to pay the same price as a 25 year old. It is despicable that people wishing to abolish Medicare would abolish it for the coming generation that pays for it, but might not appreciate what they are losing.
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badman400
Legalize the Constitution!
08:16 AM on 04/12/2012
If they are even THINKING about letting this unc Constitutional monstrosity of garbage stand, then yes! They do have a big "misunderstanding!" Judges, do your damned job and followt the constitution! It is not your job to make laws, but to decide based upon the Constitution!!!! This one is a NO brainer!!!
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:03 PM on 04/12/2012
Of course you would say it's a "NO brainer" it fits your description. You do want simple answers to complex questions. That's obvious.
03:49 PM on 04/12/2012
There has long been a priciple in logic that the simplest answer is often the best answer. In this case, most people see the answer clearly. In this case, most people don't have to do legal gymnastics or calisthenics to support that opinion. In this case, Congress acted so quickly that most of them and most of us did not know what was written into the law that was pushed through the legislature in a whirlwind. In this case, a majority of US citizens believe the law to be unconstitutional. That's why most people would agree this is a "NO brainer."
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
03:57 PM on 04/12/2012
I don't believe it is the Federal Governments job to force the citizens to purchase a product from a third party. If they get away with forcing you to buy health insurance from a third party what is next? The'll force you to buy funeral insurance. They will force you to buy government bonds in your retirement plan. It will just get worse and worse.
12:33 AM on 04/13/2012
agreed
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tmm77625
The winner is the one who stops first
07:42 AM on 04/12/2012
What a load of hogwash. The issue is not the price of the "bronze plan" or what it covers. The issue is whether or not the federal government has the power to force citizens to buy something.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:03 PM on 04/12/2012
They can and they do. If you'd think for a minute and let your FOX talking points loose you'd realize it.
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tmm77625
The winner is the one who stops first
03:05 PM on 04/12/2012
Sorry, I don't watch Fox, but you must be an chronic viewer of their station, since you seem so familiar with their talking points. Perhaps you should try watching something else - you'd have something constructive to say.
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
03:58 PM on 04/12/2012
If this was anyway valid then why didn't they bring it up sooner.
Bronse plan- what a bunch of BS.
BLambda
Re-instated But STILL disagree with the president
07:38 AM on 04/12/2012
Do any of you realize that if the SCOTUS strikes down Obama care congress STILL has the right and ability to revisit the thing, redraft it and make a plan that will work. This was rammed down our throats because it is the Left's "Holy Grail" and they saw an opportunity to do it.

There are posters here that try to defend Obama's over reach in this matter bu comparing his position to alot of conservative positions - which leads any rational person to believe this can be done with less posturing and more process and deliberation with bi-partisan support.

Given the time and the will to get it done, it can be reality just not in it's current form - Consitution is about Government Power Limits NOT healthcare - Strike it down and do it again the right way for all of us.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:04 PM on 04/12/2012
Rammed? That was the first talking point after passage. Can't you update your talking point sheet?
BLambda
Re-instated But STILL disagree with the president
02:13 PM on 04/12/2012
YES Rammed! What would you call it? No one wanted it not the people, ONLY the Statists - so they saw an opportunity and by hook or crook (Biggest crook being Nancy Pelosi) shoved this under the table for Dear Leader to sign. Talking points? Yeah Riiiiight
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yeti7
don't need no stink'n badges
04:04 PM on 04/12/2012
Yes, rammed and partisan. and bribes to get last minute votes.
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yeti7
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04:03 PM on 04/12/2012
They can go back and change the mandate clause to a tax clause then.