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Missouri Unemployment Bill Would Deny Benefits To Workers Fired For Off-The-Job Misconduct

Posted: 04/17/2012 4:11 pm Updated: 04/17/2012 11:36 pm

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A Missouri Republican wants to broaden the definition of on-the-job misconduct in order to help employers fight bogus unemployment claims.

Missouri state Sen. Will Kraus (R-Lee's Summit) introduced a bill earlier this year that would allow employers to say a worker engaged in misconduct "regardless of whether the misconduct occurs at the workplace or during working hours." In addition, breaking an employer's rules would constitute misconduct under the bill whether a worker knows the rules or not; state law currently defines misconduct as when an employee deliberately breaks an employer's rules.

Kraus said his bill was inspired by tales of workers getting fired for bad behavior and claiming benefits. He said a constituent who runs a business helping employers appeal unemployment claims told him a worker got fired for falling asleep on the job, but received benefits anyway.

"Another one got mad, violently cleared off a filing cabinet, got fired for that, got unemployment benefits for that," Kraus said. "Another one urinated off a school building and got unemployment benefits for that. If a child saw that individual peeing off a school building, he could have been put on a sex offender registry."

The bill is one of many pushed by Republican state lawmakers across the country aimed at changing unemployment insurance benefits. Maine is mulling a bill to deny benefits to laid off workers who have remaining vacation pay, while Arizona and South Carolina are considering legislation to make claimants prove they're not on drugs. Georgia recently approved drastic reductions in the duration of benefits. The U.S. Congress, for its part, cut the duration of federal benefits earlier this year.

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The Missouri proposal is similar to one that became law in Florida last year. The Sunshine State defines misconduct as "any action that demonstrates conscious disregard of an employer’s interests and is found to be a deliberate disregard or violation of reasonable standards of behavior, and may include activities that did not occur at the workplace or during working hours," according to the state Agency for Workforce Innovation.

In all states, there are situations in which something an employee does outside of work can be considered job-related misconduct that disqualifies them for benefits, according to George Wentworth, a senior staff attorney with the National Employment Law Project. Examples of off-the-job behavior that could qualify as misconduct include a cop who breaks the law while off duty or a school bus driver who gets convicted for selling drugs to kids.

Many states base their definitions of misconduct on a 1941 decision by the Wisconsin Supreme Court, according to a Labor Department memo (PDF): "Misconduct...is limited to conduct evincing such willful or wanton disregard of standards of behavior which the employer has the right to expect of his employee, or in carelessness or negligence of such degree as to manifest an equal culpability, wrongful intent or evil design, or to show an intentional and substantial disregard of the employer’s interest or of the employee’s duties and obligations to his employer."

Florida's law is on the frontier, Wentworth said, because it gives employers leeway to regulate off-the-job behavior at the outset by explicitly saying the behavior doesn't have to have occurred during work hours or on work premises. The Kraus bill is similarly broad.

"In every state, there are cases in which something a claimant does off the job is so related to the employer's interest and damaging to the employment relationship that the law recognizes it as disqualifying misconduct," Wentworth said. "But those cases are on the periphery and typically require employers to justify why the employer has an interest in what the employee is doing off the job."

He continued, "It's always problematic when you start making public policy that proceeds on the premise that it's OK for the employer to regulate a worker's private life."

Wentworth said the Florida law has been on the books for too short a time to evaluate its impact on workers, but it's possible employers could use it to deny benefits for workers fired because of things they say on social media.

Private sector and government employers provoked an uproar last month when the Associated Press reported they'd been asking job applicants to cough up Facebook passwords, much to the dismay of worker and civil liberties advocates. Maryland lawmakers reacted with a bill to ban the practice.

In an interview, Missouri's Kraus initially said his legislation wouldn't broaden the definition of misconduct to include behavior off the job. "The bill pretty much says misconduct during work hours," he said.

Pressed on this, he acknowledged after re-reading the bill that it says misconduct doesn't have to happen during work hours. "You're correct," Kraus said. "I'm reading the language and you're correct."

But he wouldn't say how far the bill could reach, or if the misconduct provision might apply to a worker's behavior on social media.

"I'm not an attorney and I'm not gonna go down this this that that, because I'm not going to be able to justify what a lawyer would do," Kraus said. "People that are let go because of the downslide, they're going to get unemployment. They're entitled to it. But the people that do have misconduct like the things I've mentioned need not to get the benefits."

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A Missouri Republican wants to broaden the definition of on-the-job misconduct in order to help employers fight bogus unemployment claims. Missouri state Sen. Will Kraus (R-Lee's Summit) introduced...
A Missouri Republican wants to broaden the definition of on-the-job misconduct in order to help employers fight bogus unemployment claims. Missouri state Sen. Will Kraus (R-Lee's Summit) introduced...
 
 
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02:40 PM on 04/21/2012
For a party that compalins 24/7 about government intervention in people's lives, the GOP sure odes spend most of its time these days attempting to have the government intervene in people's lives..My guess God told them to do it? ..And who is going to make the determination of what constitutes job msiconduct? The legions of morally depraved republican or republican sympathizers who never had to actually work for anything but ahd it handed to them by their corrupt daddys? The silence from the GOP keeping its ignorant mouths shut would be most welcome!
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:22 PM on 04/18/2012
Can "we the people" use these laws to fire Congress??

Why do these crazy laws start in Florida? Doesn't anyone on the ALEC board live there?
04:43 PM on 04/18/2012
Ugh..........anyone know how I can delete my posts?
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:24 PM on 04/18/2012
lol....Ask a rich person, they know how its done.
04:39 PM on 04/18/2012
They came up with gobs of reasons why they had fired me. they claimed I had missed too many days (they still owed me vac. days), said that I was no where to be found the last day I worked (my desk was in front), I had been seen talking on my cell phone for an hour(wait a min....I thought I was no where to be found?) by the OM's husband, who had been working there for free for something to do since he was unemployed. The reasons they gave were nothing more than lies but the unemployment worker handling my case seemed to be completely uninterested in anything I had to say in my defense and denied my unemployment. I appealed the decision and was granted a court hearing, that consisted of a judge, myself, the office manager and her husband the "witness". It was obvious during the hearing that they were lying and had no reason to deny unemployment. I was then granted my unemployment. If it hadn't been for the judge having enough common sense to know my ex employer was lying I would not have gotten it. Laws that give employers so much control do nothing but allow all the dishonest employers to screw over workers.
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10:09 AM on 04/20/2012
You must live in a "Right to Work" state?
02:41 PM on 04/21/2012
Translation: right to work = right to fire! Nothing more.
03:16 PM on 04/21/2012
I do, I live in the wonderful state of Idaho. (sarcasm) I moved to Idaho from Oregon......its definitely a LOT different.
04:38 PM on 04/18/2012
I was fired from my prev. job & given no reason, when I asked why the O M responded with "you are being let go & that is all I am at liberty to say".The state I live in is a right to work state & the employer is not required to give a reason as to why they fired you, which gives the employer the ability to fire anyone working for them for any reason they want. Also if you are ever warned for misconduct by your employer the law here does not require the employer to have the employee sign any statement as to such. Which makes it very easy for the employer to write anything they desire in the employee's file true or not at any time. Which is exactly what my ex employer did once I filled for unemployment.
03:56 PM on 04/18/2012
Employers do not own the people. Time is traded for service. What happens in non-work hours is not their concern. Are they admitting their opinion of their work force is that they are slaves they own and control. Sure sounds like that!!! Wow and this is suppose to be America! Tell employers to back off we the people are not their property! Too bad we the people can not hold employers to the same code of conduct and ethics they want to hold us too. If they are willing to allow the employees to fire them for their own bad behavior fine, but that is not the case. Again THEY DO NOT OWN US, WHAT IS DONE IN OUR OWN TIME OFF THE JOB IS NOT ANY OF THEIR AFFAIR. WE ARE NOT SLAVES OR PROPERTY!!!!
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:32 PM on 04/18/2012
Tell Corporate America you're not going to stand for their intrusions. Boycott all Corporations who have and still do support ALEC.

Money is all that matters to bean counters, reducing their supply of it is how to punish them.
01:30 PM on 04/18/2012
It's called right wing social engineering. folks. And if you could ever get a rational statement from any republicans (I could probably walk on water first), they would say that God told them to do this.....the whole lot of them needs to be stripped of their likely stolen wealth, thrown forceably out in the street to survive somehow without any help from anyone where new laws have been passed making it a federal crime to even talk to them......see hwo they like it...justice is then served....
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:36 PM on 04/18/2012
God was not present during the writing of the Bill of Rights, there are no God Given Rights in this country.
02:42 PM on 04/21/2012
Tell that to the GOP....they believe they are the chosen people!
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12:37 PM on 04/18/2012
About 20 years ago an employee of Pizza Hut was fired for bring a Coca-Cola to work. It was considered 'disloyal' to the brand because Pepsi was part of the brand name then. There was a lawsuit and the emploee won, but who wants to work in that kind of climate? (SEC broke up that hugh corp. at just about that time.)
So, if your employer doesn't care for you and you get a parking ticket can you be fired for misconduct? Where does the misconduct rule begin and end. Sounds like a big mess to me. With lots and lots of lawsuit and paranoia built in. If I were the employer, I'd keep my nose REAL clean, or beware of being outed for whatever by a disgruntled EX employee. As in look over your shoulders...
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Lady1genius
No se puede tapar el sol con un dedo
02:36 PM on 04/18/2012
The employer can fire you because he doesn't like the color of eye makeup you wore that day. They can fire you because you got a parking ticket. HOWEVER, that isn't a violation of a reasonable work rule, or standard of conduct. Unemployment judges hear these kind of arguments all the time, and they rule against the employer every time. These judges have heard every excuse in the book thrown out there by employers to try to deny unemployment. They have to prove that a work rule exists, and that you knew about the rule, and knowingly violated it. The judges are very good at sniffing out pretexts.
03:09 PM on 04/18/2012
That may be true but you are still unemployed. The power still rests largely with incompetent lawless employers....
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YupIndeed
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10:02 AM on 04/18/2012
Look, if the employee does something that is illegal, then, yes, I can see how they shouldn't qualify for unemployment. And the fact that people who were fired from their job still got unemployment is the state's fault, not the employers (or the employees). Don't punish people when you (the state) can't do your job well.
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Lady1genius
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02:38 PM on 04/18/2012
People can be fired and still collect unemployment. It happens every day, because an employer can fire you for any reason, no matter how silly, or for no reason at all. That can't be used as a basis to deny unemployment compensation.
03:14 PM on 04/18/2012
Ture. My boss was fird because he refused to fire me and then promote a do-nothing/know-nothin blond in our group who was doing the general manager every afternoon in his office. Next day they laid me off and elevated her highness to my job. My boss and I acocunted for 93% of theri sales of seveeral million. This was a cfew eyasr back. Both my boss and I are still unemployed but the two "lovers" are still there at a company thta has sincee laid off 78% of its workforce and has virtually no sales now at all.....all because two incompetents couldn't keep it in their pants and so violated our rights....no one has done anything to help either of us....
09:57 AM on 04/18/2012
Unemployment benefits are an entiltlement and whether one behaves proper or not even at work is entitled to those benefits based on the fact that those benefits were a part of his or her pay that went for this purpose. Just as with social security this benefit is a US citizens right to have incase needed. One's behavor has nothing to do with how one fianices their life or how the governments programs help in that process. I also believe this would be a direct violation of the program itself and one's rights under the constitution.
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09:52 AM on 04/18/2012
A novel GOP red herring issue developed to avoid dealing with the real issues troubling their state.
12:35 PM on 04/18/2012
You have the real issue here....Since when are republicans interested in real people? Unless you're at least a millionaire, you don't exist to these obvious shills for the rich man....
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:42 PM on 04/18/2012
Just kicking the can down the road until the banks collapse.
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Jeff Hannan
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09:36 AM on 04/18/2012
Just another step on the road to Republican corporate enslavement. Now they want your employer to have control over your life AWAY from your job. I can't understand why people vote for Republicans, much less defend policies such as this.
12:37 PM on 04/18/2012
Agreed! Gllible people vote for these despots for two reasons: 1) fear of everything new or different and 2) an inability (and complete unwillignness) to process factual inforrmation that manifest itself in just blaming innocent people for republican crimes....
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:44 PM on 04/18/2012
and for racist reasons too
juliet marilynne
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03:39 PM on 04/19/2012
actually been happening for years.

baby steps........ 1st they discourage use of vacation by making it seem like 'you're letting the team down' and make you feel guilty for taking your entitled time.

2nd, by use of technology even in your off hours you begin to feel obligated to check emails, voicemails, memos and texts which basically becomes 'unpaid work'.

then you move to stuff like this BS.
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09:05 AM on 04/18/2012
Sounds like something ALEC may have come up with. You can't collect unemployment if you acted up on the weekend when you were not at work? Stinks like ALEC.
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tonybillbob
I'm not a scientist, man. I'm a corporate shill.
06:45 PM on 04/18/2012
If it's distasteful, it's likely to include ALEC as an ingredient.
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08:36 AM on 04/18/2012
MO the Show Me The Sanity State!
08:23 AM on 04/18/2012
Two guys seeking unemployment benefits after losing their jobs. One did nothing wrong but his employer made a bogus claim about worker misconduct. The other actually did engage in a form of worker misconduct. It is impossible for the misconduct law to tell the difference between the two.

So what do you do? Pass the law and both guys don't get unemployment benefits? Or do not pass the law and both get unemployment benefits?

Democrats generally side with the guy who deserves to get benefits. Republicans generally think its more important to deny benefits to the guy who actually did misconduct.

What do you think?
09:05 AM on 04/18/2012
I'd say that's fairly accurate
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10:03 AM on 04/18/2012
Employers need to be held responsible for inaccurate reporting.