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Arizona Immigration Law Case Could Lead To Sweeping Enforcement Changes

Posted: 04/26/2012 11:04 am

Arizona Immigration Law Supreme Court

By JACQUES BILLEAUD, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

PHOENIX -- The United States could see an official about-face in the coming months in how it confronts illegal immigration if the Supreme Court follows through on its suggestion that it would let local police enforce the most controversial part of Arizona's immigration law.

Over the last several years, states frustrated with America's porous borders have rejected the long held notion that Washington is responsible for confronting illegal immigration and have passed a flurry of laws to let local police confront illegal immigration. The Supreme Court is poised in the coming months to let the states know whether they haven't crossed the line.

The justices strongly suggested Wednesday that they are ready to let Arizona enforce the most controversial part of its law, a requirement that police officers check the immigration status of people they suspect are in the country without documents. Such a ruling could codify the type of local enforcement that some local authorities in Arizona have carried out over the last six years and open the door to such enforcement in states with similar laws, such as Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina and Utah.

"I think you'll see more involvement by local police in immigration enforcement, an involvement that hadn't previously been seen," Kevin Johnson, law school dean at the University of California-Davis and an expert in immigration law, said of the possibility of Arizona's law being upheld.

The most controversial parts of the Arizona law were put on hold by a federal judge shortly before they were to take effect in late July 2010, but the statute has encouraged other states to take up similar legislation and – combined with other state immigration laws and an ailing economy – played a part in 170,000 undocumented immigrants leaving Arizona since 2007.

"If you want to turn around this invasion, then (you should) do attrition through enforcement," said former state Sen. Russell Pearce, architect of the 2010 law and the driving force behind other Arizona immigration laws, echoing the stated purpose of the 2010 state law.

Arizona has argued it pays a disproportionate price for illegal immigration because of its 370-mile border with Mexico and its role as the busiest illegal entry point into the country.

The Obama administration, which challenged the law, said the law conflicts with a more nuanced federal immigration policy that seeks to balance national security, law enforcement, foreign policy, human rights and the rights of law-abiding citizens and immigrants. Civil rights groups that back the administration say Arizona's and the other states' measures encourage racial profiling and ethnic stereotyping.

A decision in the case is expected in late June.

Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne, whose office has helped defend the law, predicted the Supreme Court will uphold the law because many of its provisions mirror existing federal laws and that a year from now the state will see even less illegal immigration. "You won't see anything that noticeable as far as law enforcement goes," Horne said. "But you will see less people sneaking across the border."

The Supreme Court's comments on the most controversial requirement in Arizona's law surprised state officials who had supported the law and had thus far lost all major court battles over the law. "I think we'll win. It's just how big we win," Pearce said.

Immigrant rights advocates, who believed the courts would reject attempts by states to grab more law enforcement power, also were surprised and said a validation of the law by the Supreme Court would frighten immigrants further and cause Latinos who are here legally to be asked about their immigration status.

"The crisis here in Arizona would only multiply," said Carlos Garcia, organizer of an immigration march that drew several hundred people in downtown Phoenix on Wednesday. Authorities said at least nine people were arrested for blocking a street and refusing to move. "It would mean that anyone, as they are leaving their home – whether they are going to work, to church, wherever they are going – could be asked for their documents."

During arguments Wednesday over the Arizona law, liberal and conservative justices reacted skeptically to the Obama administration's argument that the state exceeded its authority when it made the records check, and another provision allowing suspected undocumented immigrants to be arrested without a warrant, part of the Arizona law aimed at driving undocumented immigrants elsewhere.

It was unclear what the court would do with other aspects of the law that have been put on hold by lower federal courts. The other blocked provisions make it a state crime for immigrants not to have immigration registration papers and for undocumented immigrants to seek work or hold a job.

Peter Spiro, a Tempe University law professor who specializes in immigration law, predicted the court would uphold the police check of immigration status in Arizona's law, but said he wouldn't be surprised if the court threw out a provision making it a crime to be without immigration documents.

Such a ruling would let police question people about their immigration status if they have good reason to do so, but police would have to call federal authorities to see if they would want to pick up anyone found to be in the country without documents. If federal agents decline, officers would have to release the people, unless they were suspected of committing crimes, Spiro said.

If that happened, the law would be mostly symbolic, but would still carry some significance for immigrants, Spiro said.

"It would make it clear that Arizona is unfriendly to undocumented aliens," Spiro said.

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Associated Press reporter Mark Sherman contributed from Washington, D.C.

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10:07 AM on 04/29/2012
From the article: ""It would make it clear that Arizona is unfriendly to undocumented aliens," Spiro said."
And where is the down side to this?
Where should we be "friendly" to undocumented aliens?
Where should we be friendly to those that break the law, use federal taxpayer funded resources and demand more and more.
Most of us don't want to be "friendly" to those that have knowingly, willfully and intentionally violated our sovereign borders.
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sjpersonal
03:05 PM on 04/27/2012
"It would mean that anyone, as they are leaving their home – whether they are going to work, to church, wherever they are going – could be asked for their documents."
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I keep reading that Arizona police will just stop any brown skinned person walking down the street or driving in their car for absolutely NO reason and demand their birth certificate.

For some reason I just really doubt if that is in the SB1070 bill. I cannot believe that any politician or official would have the nerve to actually put that in writing. If I am wrong would someone please provide a link to that part of the bill.

I am very aware that racial profiling happens every day in this country. But that is because that particular police officer is racist and not because he or she has been instructed to do so by his or her superior.
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OhioPaul
02:08 PM on 04/27/2012
I am not Hispanic. Governor Brewer says the police are not profiling. Does this mean that I now should carry a passport to visit Arizona or even to pass through? I mean I might be speeding or fail to indicate a turn. Should all my fellow passengers also carry passports or certified copies of their birth certificates? I realize my driver's license is not proof of legal residence. I like to think I look Canadian. Gee willikers, I guess that is no longer enough.
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adamsah64
02:49 PM on 04/27/2012
HUH? read the law stop scaring people. You don't have to carry papers get real!
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OhioPaul
03:28 PM on 04/27/2012
"The law clarified the original law’s language around “reasonable suspicion” by requiring state and local law enforcement to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person only while in the process of a lawful stop, detention or arrest (the original language referred to “lawful contact.”) HB 2162 also stipulated that a lawful stop, detention or arrest must be in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town of this state". Tell me, how is my driver's license alone any proof of citizenship or legal status and guarantee I won't be detained? How could I prove I am legal? I am serious about this. How else would a policeman "reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person"? Tell me, please. NCLS is "National Conference of State Legislatures".

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/immig/analysis-of-arizonas-immigration-law.aspx
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
04:17 PM on 04/27/2012
Educate your self before spewing the party line.

AZ Stop and Identify statutes:

13-2412. Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained; classification

A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime. A person detained under this section shall state the person's true full name, but shall not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of a peace officer.

B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor.
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Mike Cofta
10:10 PM on 04/26/2012
Obama's Justice Dept. never really had a sound case anyway. The President and Holder should stick to what they do best- running: running guns.
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adamsah64
02:49 PM on 04/27/2012
Best thin Obama did was deliver guns to Mexico. Was a pretty seceret operation even the AG didn't know it was going on! lol
10:08 PM on 04/26/2012
70% of Americans support this law.

The last time 70% of Americans agreed on ANYTHING was when 70% opposed (and still oppose) Obamacare.

Both show 'the will of the people' better than anything else in a long, long time.
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adamsah64
02:50 PM on 04/27/2012
Take out the illegals and everyone on welfare and helthcare is more like 90% against!
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06:16 PM on 04/27/2012
Count me as one of the 30%, I think the law is illegal and will do what I can to get it repealed. Thank holy Zeus I do not live in such a backward state as Arizona. I think there is medication for paranoia.
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TexasTreader
Fluffy, the yard dog
10:35 PM on 05/17/2012
I see. Difference is fine as long as we're not different from you. If you don't live near the southern border, I'm not sure what you think you can add to the conversation.
shylove2
warfare state is pathological
08:29 PM on 04/26/2012
What difference does it make Homeland Securitycan check anyone for any reason and do anything they want with them already including the policemen.
06:02 PM on 04/26/2012
You Know its funny, some people in here wrote me about civil rights ,I said they were broken because of the 1070 in Arizona,and this a--- wi--- said it was just for Americans,I thought they were for every human being,no material race,color,nationality..etc.what do you think?
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adamsah64
02:51 PM on 04/27/2012
Constitution covers citizens. If your not a US citizen then what are you doing here? Go back to your country and make it better.
04:50 PM on 04/26/2012
"If you want to turn around this invasion..."

Interesting choice of words. From 1500 to 1900 Europeans "explored", "settled", and "developed" this land. But people coming in an attempt to join the current society are an "invasion". No wonder Arizona passed a companion law with S.B. 1070 to prevent the teaching of any other perspective.
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
05:43 PM on 04/26/2012
These people coming in have their own country but they can't seem to develop pass a certain point. "companion law with S.B. 1070 to prevent the teaching of any other perspective." Is this the perspective you're talking about? "At a TUSD school board meeting on May 10, one upset mother read excerpts from the textbook “An Epic Poem,” including, My land is lost and stolen, My culture has been raped….we have to destroy capitalism…overthrow a government that has committed abuses….to the bloodsuckers, the parasites, the vampires who are the capitalists of the world: The schools are tools of the power structure that blind and sentence our youth to a life of confusion, and hypocrisy, one that preaches assimilation and practices institutional racism." http://rightwingnews.com/civil-rights/anti-americanism-disguised-as-ethnic-studies-in-tucson-schools/
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04:47 PM on 04/26/2012
Today in MA - illegal female killed a citizen; hit & run. 60 mph in a 30 mph zone. $50,000 cash bail her cousin had within 1 day. She's on her way back to Guadamala. No trial; set free to go home.
She'll be back. Again work the system, get food stamps, medical care, etc. Probably kill another citizen, be sent back home, etc etc
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
05:44 PM on 04/26/2012
Link?
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mlambush
Socialist...not a liberal
05:18 PM on 04/27/2012
I think this is it, but the story doesn't seem to be the same as what the OP put:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/26/illegal-woman-accused-killing-disabled-man-may-be-free/?test=latestnews
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yourmuse
Perspective pries your once-weighty eyes
05:50 PM on 04/26/2012
I'm sure every rational person would agree there should be consequences. If you have a better solution than immediate deportation, we're all waiting to hear it. And what about all the "legal" people who did the same thing and got away with it? It looks like bigotry, generalizations and assumptions are clouding your judgment.
10:25 PM on 04/26/2012
That is silly since Americans cannot go to Guatamala and be safe. GET REAL!
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
04:45 PM on 04/26/2012
I would have NO problem if they want this Papiere bitte law, just as long as my tax dollars don't go to paying for it.

States that want to usurp the Federal government's authority and do their job are already Federal Welfare states; receiving more money from Big Gubment than they send in. They shouldn't expect the Federal government (taxpayers who are Latino, Asian, Hispanic, Greek, Black taxpayers) to pay for their pet projects and personal profit. You want to play Big Gubment? Pay for it yourself!

But the reality is, that's exactly what they'll be aiming for - more Federal moolah to fatten their pockets and portfolios under the guise of "we're fighting illegal immigration!".

If they really wanted to combat unauthorized immigration, all they had to do was pass a law that ALL businesses, great and small, may NOT hire anyone without using e-verify, and punish those businesses with hefty fines. But they didn't because there's no profit in that for them and it would hurt their donors who pay them "hush" money. Too bad their supporters don't see that.
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BlairCase
06:23 PM on 04/26/2012
In 2012, The Supreme Court ruled that Arizona's law making E-Verify mandatory and shutting down businesses that continued to hire illegals is constitutional. This is actually far more important than SB 1070 provisions currently under consideration by the Supreme Court. The leading welfare states are California and New York.You are thinkingof states that get more in ferderal spending than they pay in federal taxes. However, this measurement counts only expenditures on federal programs, such as military bases or the space program. It doesn't count federal payments to individuals. In other words, your are confusing federal expenditures on programs such as interstate highways with federal welfare.
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TommyObama
Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
07:26 PM on 04/26/2012
Arizona has a perfectly serviceable law that can shut down businesses that persist in employing illegal labor. Yet we NEVER enforce it. Why not? Because it would hurt alot of Republican "job creators", is the only reason I can logically come up with. Instead we hound down cooks and maids and gardeners, who no one really cares about. Well I'm about as religious as the average heathen, this comes to mind:

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.' " Matt 25:40.
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
01:31 AM on 04/27/2012
>>> However, this measurement counts only expenditures on federal programs, such as military bases or the space program. It doesn't count federal payments to individuals. In other words, your are confusing federal expenditures on programs such as interstate highways with federal welfare.>>>

Wrong. The federal money is responsible for a slew of programs, including health care for low-income residents and the elderly, fisheries and conservation research, medical research, U.S. Department of Defense contracts, disaster relief loans, and wages for federal employees.

And they can pass all the laws they want, but if they're not enforced, which they aren't because that would harm the "job creators", it's not worth the paper it was written on. So that's a weak defense, Blair.
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red skull
I am legion
08:20 PM on 04/26/2012
AZ already has provisions against employers hiring of illegals including loss of business licenses. BTW: I wish my tax dollars did go to feeding and educating anchorspawn.
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
01:35 AM on 04/27/2012
Yeah, and look how well THAT worked out. Come on, Skull. Be real. Just because it looks nice on paper doesn't mean squat if they don't enforce the laws.

SB1070 is nothing more than a way to get MORE Federal cash for their privately owned prisons.

And I wish my tax dollars didn't have to go to paying for Republican pet projects that harm the most vulnerable among us or their uninformed, gullible spawn who continue to vote for them. So I know your pain.
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Hotspot
Righties, you can't eat or drink money.
04:07 PM on 04/26/2012
GREAT . . . this will save the Federal Government and the tax payers money. Maybe, this is why Mitt's budget cut funding for Border Control and Enforcement

All the border States will now have to cough-up the money and raise taxes on their residences. Gotta love it!
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04:29 PM on 04/26/2012
Nope, But keep telling yourself that so you sleep well.
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
04:35 PM on 04/26/2012
No, these are already Federal Welfare states; taking in more money than they send to the Federal Government, and should this law be upheld by the Con5 in the SCOTUS, they'll have the right to request more money from the Federal government to cover costs.

You didn't think Republicans would pay for any of their pet projects out of their own pockets, do you? They never have , so why should they start now? To them, the Federal government is their go-to for cheap or free cash.
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04:49 PM on 04/26/2012
Dems do well too in the cheap or free cash gig.
05:02 PM on 04/26/2012
Texas is not a welfare state sweetie.
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BlairCase
03:50 PM on 04/26/2012
Americans who supported amnesty for illegal immigrants in the 1980s felt cheated when the nation failed to follow up as promised by cracking down on future illegal immigration. However, if states are allowed to enforce immigration laws, American might prove more open to granting a second round of amnesty to undocumented immigrants who have established families in the United States. The Dream Act would have a greater chance of passing.
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TommyObama
Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
07:34 PM on 04/26/2012
Fair enough...you might be onto something here, Blair. But it needs to happen fast, not in 15 years "when Americans are ready", or after about 30 million Tea Party funerals. There are millions of good, valuable people living among us who are ready NOW to become legal residents and become Americans. If increased enforcement is part of that deal, fine. Now is actually a good time, because illegal crossings are at a decades-long low point. There must be a way both parties can cobble this agreement together -- we were close a few years ago and I'm ashamed to say Democrats also killed it.
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seegray
Nobody can bring you peace but yourself (Emerson)
10:25 PM on 04/26/2012
The false part of the whole argument though is that we don't have the enforcement. In reality, now is the perfect time for CIR BECAUSE enforcement is not only UP during the Obama Admin but it is also far more effective than at any time in the past. There are a huge number of boots on the ground + the use now of drones (several different types) in the air. More "illegals" have been deported in the last 3 years than during any 3 year period in many decades. The criminal element has been - and is continuing to be - weeded out through nationwide stings (there've been at least 2 this year, I believe), and I understand there are plans already for more. Everytime I hear anyone say that we can't do any kind of CIR (including the DREAM Act) until the border is shut down, it makes me want to pull my hair out and scream.....it IS shut down.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
12:53 AM on 04/28/2012
2nd round?

Try 8th round. We've already given out 7 amnesties since the first in 1986. Amnesty isn't needed. If illegals can't work (thanks to e-verify), can't easily move about (thanks sb1070 soon to come to a state near you) and hopefully the end of anchor status by a forced ruling on that abuse ( http://www.14thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html ) and the illegals will all be gone but a few hundred thousand gang members, child molesters and other criminals.
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BeasTT
03:32 PM on 04/26/2012
There should be sweeping changes.

The American people got duped in the '86 amnesty, we were told the border would be sealed, and that this would be the ONLY time this would happen.

Well, the border was never sealed, and illegal aliens got a free ride for 25 yrs.

If anything, we are owed 23 yrs of back enforcement, so let's get on the ball with that.
03:59 PM on 04/26/2012
A sad day for civil rights
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04:27 PM on 04/26/2012
Yes the civil rights of US citizens have been stomped on for too long. It is about time that the laws were enforced.
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04:34 PM on 04/26/2012
lol Civil rights for Americans. Hey, Jorge, you know what happens to Americans living illegally in Mexico? Or what happens ot people crossing over into Mexico on its southern border? - Or do you look the other way?
You can try & fool people by calling illegals "undocumented," it won't fool us though. Illegal is illegal! (Use a dictionary.)
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
04:37 PM on 04/26/2012
The amnesty law wasn't for undocumented workers and their families. It was for Rupie, R e a g a n's friend. It was SOLD as if it was passed for the undocumented, but just looking at the kind of president of that time should tell everyone that was a lie.
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
06:27 PM on 04/26/2012
"Twenty five years ago, President Ronald Reagan signed an amnesty meant for 1 million illegal aliens to gain citizenship.  Instead, over 4.1 million illegal aliens applied for and received citizenship for crossing over US borders illegally.

Later, Reagan said, “The amnesty was the worst mistake of my presidency.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1538/545/The_dangerous_legacy_of_the_1986_amnesty_for_illegal_aliens_illegal_becomes_legal.html
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RobietheCat
Altruism with someone else's money isn't
09:27 PM on 04/26/2012
You wrote:

"The amnesty law wasn't for undocumented workers and their families."

- No wonder your opinions are so misguided. You are officially clueless and it's sad.

When Reagan was CA governor he worked with the Teamsters to bring in and protect illegal alien 'scabs' who broke Cesar Chavez' UFW.

They 'protected' those scabs with ax handles. Your misguided support and altruism is foolish.
03:23 PM on 04/26/2012
"Could Lead To Sweeping Enforcement Changes"

-- I certainly hope so.
Illegals shouldn't be rewarded based on how well they can keep themselves from being caught.

If you are here illegally you have broken and are still breaking the law.

Time for you to go.
08:17 PM on 04/26/2012
Time for you to give back everything these workers have given you at a cheap cost, or repay the difference. Start with your food.
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Elizabeth Lutrell
09:17 PM on 04/26/2012
And are they going to repay the money spent on educating their kids? Their medical bills that they never pay? The hit and runs that raise everyone else's auto insurance? I would gladly pay more for my produce if I didn;t have to pay for bilingual education.
03:08 PM on 04/26/2012
It shouldn't. Immigration laws should be followed regardless of whether or not this law is constitutional.
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04:35 PM on 04/26/2012
uh?