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Erskine Bowles: 'We Face The Most Predictable Economic Crisis In History'

Posted: 04/30/2012 1:31 pm Updated: 04/30/2012 1:31 pm

Erskine Bowles

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Erskine Bowles, a true Southern gentleman and co-chairman of President Barack Obama’s erstwhile budget-deficit commission, came to New York City from his home in North Carolina the other night to talk sense about the nation’s perilous fiscal condition.

“I think today we face the most predictable economic crisis in history,” he told an audience on April 24 at the Council on Foreign Relations -- an audience that might actually be able to help do something about the problem. “Fortunately, I think it’s also the most avoidable. I think it’s clear, if you do simple arithmetic, that the fiscal path that the nation is on is simply not sustainable.”

Bowles, a Democrat, then laid on the crowd some pretty simple, but devastating, arithmetic. He explained that 100 percent of the tax revenue that entered the Treasury in 2011 went out the door to pay for mandatory spending -- such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security -- and to pay the interest on our staggering $15.6 trillion national debt.

(Read More From Bloomberg View: Caroline Baum on how to avoid falling off the 'fiscal cliff' and The Bloomberg View editors on how the chained CPI could save Social Security).

That means that every single dollar we spent on everything else, including two wars, national defense, homeland security, education, infrastructure, high-value-added research and the like, was borrowed. “And,” he warned, “half of it was borrowed from foreign countries. And that is a formula for failure in anybody’s book.”
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He said the U.S. is now paying $250 billion a year in interest on the debt, and that is only because, mercifully, interest rates are at historic lows. That’s chiefly because investors are more worried about the risk of default by European nations, and because the Fed is doing everything in its power to keep interest rates low. “It’s because we’re the best-looking horse in the glue factory,” he said.

If interest rates were normalized, Bowles said, the annual bill would be $600 billion a year. “We’ll be spending over $1 trillion on interest alone before you know it,” he said. To nervous laughter, he offered the example of the country’s obligation, by treaty, to defend Taiwan in the event that China decides to invade the island. “There’s only one problem with that,” he said. “We’ll have to borrow the money from China to do it.”

But wait, it gets worse. He reminded the audience of the numerous “cliffs” the country faces at the end of 2012 when the George W. Bush tax cuts expire: More than $1.1 trillion will be cut from the budget, about half of which will come from defense because of the infamous “sequester” of last year; the payroll tax cut will expire, as will the “patch” in the alternate minimum tax. “If you add all those up,” he said, “it’s probably $7 trillion worth of economic events that are going to occur in December. And there’s been little to no planning for that.”

It is every bit as criminally irresponsible for Congress to fail to address this looming crisis as it was for Jimmy Cayne at Bear Stearns, Dick Fuld at Lehman Brothers and Martin Sullivan at AIG to ignore the financial problems at their firms in 2008.

Interestingly, Bowles remains optimistic that the circumstances are so dire that Congress will have to act, although it probably won’t happen until the seven weeks between Election Day and the end of the year. “We have to,” he said. “We’ve simply made promises that we can’t keep.”

Health-Care Costs

The big driver is clear, he said: “We have a health-care system that’s absolutely crazy. We spend twice as much as any other developed country in the world on health care, whether you talk about it as a percent of GDP or on a per-capita basis. And that might be OK if we could afford it, and it might be OK if the outcomes were any good. But if you look at most outcome measures, we rank somewhere between 25th and 50th in such important measures as infant mortality and preventable deaths and life expectancy. And anybody who thinks those 50 million people who don’t have health-care insurance don’t get health care, you’re just wrong. They get health care, they just get it at the emergency room at five to seven times the cost it would be in a doctor’s office. And that cost doesn’t go away, it gets cost-shifted.”

Despite the March 28 defeat of a budget based on the Simpson-Bowles plan by a House vote of 382 to 38, Bowles believes a version will have to get adopted before we fall off the cliff at the end of year. He has spent much of the last year putting the plan into legislative language that has increased its page count to more than 800 pages, from 67, and has put real numbers to the various proposals.

“It’s a nightmare to do, but it absolutely is necessary,” he said. He added that Simpson-Bowles is the “gold standard” for figuring a way out of our fiscal mess, with its combination of revenue increases, spending cuts and tax reform. He allowed that “most people” think there will be agreement on reducing the deficit by $4 trillion, the “minimum amount you need to reduce the deficit to stabilize the debt and get it on a downward path as a percent of GDP.”

Without serious debt reduction, it won’t take much of an increase in interest rates to create a fiscal crisis for the country the likes of which only those who lived through the Great Depression can recall. Once interest rates reach a level that reflects the genuine risk inherent in our ongoing fiscal mismanagement, and debt-service eats up more and more of a shrinking pie, the financial crisis we just lived through (and are still living through) will seem like a sideshow.

“Deficits are truly like a cancer,” Bowles said, “and over time they are going to destroy our country from within.”

(William D. Cohan, a former investment banker and the author of “Money and Power: How Goldman Sachs Came to Rule the World,” is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

Read more opinion online from Bloomberg View.

Today’s highlights: the View editors on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the healing power of zinc; Simon Johnson on German unions; Richard G. Sloan on fair-value accounting; John Eastman on Arizona's immigration law.

To contact the writer of this article: William D. Cohan at wdcohan@yahoo.com.
To contact the editor responsible for this article: Tobin Harshaw at tharshaw@bloomberg.net.

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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
10:17 PM on 05/01/2012
America has over $70 trillion in durable assets (real estate, natural resources, infrastructure), so $15 trillion in national debt, most of it owed to Americans, is far from being bankrupted by debt. It is a terrible myth that debt is our number one economic problem. The growth of our debt needs to be slowed, not eradicated. If our assets grow faster than our debt, then as a nation we shall continue to become more wealthy. We can bring our debt down as the economy grows. Of Bush's final (and still all-time record) deficit of over $1.4 trillion, about $600 billion was attributable to tax revenues lost due to unemployment, about $200 billion to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about $250 billion in the Bush tax cuts, and the rest could be obtained from eliminating excessive and counter-productive corporate tax breaks, and from trimming back on Homeland Security, which currently employs one in every four civilian federal government jobs.
01:39 PM on 05/01/2012
We got the government we deserved...... evidently we have been very bad! Looks like ignorance isn't bliss after all! Keep conservatives out of office at all costs!
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ChasG
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09:55 PM on 05/01/2012
Faved, my friend.  Priority One.
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Roy Merritt old car guy
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11:52 AM on 05/01/2012
We had a cure for this long ago. " Another means of silently lessening the inquality of property is to excempt all from taxation below a certain point and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.' Thomas Jefferson to James Madison in 1785. If you don't understand, those of Property are the wealthy and Thomas wanted to lessen the difference that they held by taxing them more and the poor to not be taxed at all. I wish the Republicans would read a little history.
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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
09:58 PM on 05/01/2012
Fanned.  This tradition has been with us in our tax laws until Ronald Reagan came along and turned it upside down with supply side economics.
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nypapajoe
09:51 AM on 05/01/2012
When an economy is based on the financial institutions operating as a criminal enterprise where conspiracies are hatched and greed and corruption is the game at hand then you can only expect what we are currently experiencing! Not until there are regulations and oversight will there be fairness and prosperity for all!
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xpt2wndj
socialism sucks
09:19 AM on 05/01/2012
Obama's new slogan, "One and Done".
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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
10:18 PM on 05/01/2012
Your new slogan: "None and done."
08:47 AM on 05/01/2012
Here we go AGAIN with the scare tactics. They ___________ still have not figured out that WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTHS and say stuff like this, the people start believing it and then THE PEOPLE make it happen, CONSIDER the price of gas, as an example.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
08:40 AM on 05/01/2012
There's actually a pretty easy way out of this but it will leave the bondholders and preferred stock holders holding the bag. We've been in Republican-ville since 1979 (when Carter hired Volcker to raise interest rates); pros and cons over the last 30+ years, but nothing lasts forever.
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ChasG
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10:01 PM on 05/01/2012
What's the "easy way out of this" exactly?
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
08:26 AM on 05/01/2012
After WW2, our debt was 120% of GDP, with not much to show for it. Today we're at 103%, and still not much to show for it. But the 40s, 50s and 60s showed that this can be easily fixed with domestic GDP growth strategies and PROGRESSIVE TAXES.

And the repubs are preventing both of those, because they know they'll work.

The solution starts when we remove the repubs from our government.
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Sherrie Heckendorn
10:32 PM on 05/01/2012
I so agree with you. We had high income taxes and as you say progressive and high corporate taxes and our economy was excellent. We had top of the line education and we had a infrastructure to be proud of. Investing in the infrastructure creates jobs and by amping up the social net(instead of guting them) programs the economy actually runs better and better thus enabling more jobs and more revenue for the government, but that would entail having people in government that actually cared about the country.
08:25 AM on 05/01/2012
My grandfather went through the Gread Depression of the 30's . It scarred him emotionally all his life. He was the most tight person (almost) that ive ever known. Tis recession could do the same to people. Grandfather would no spend a dime that he didnt want to, and he hardly ever did.. When he passed, we all found out he died a rich man. All that money didnt do him any good,
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ChasG
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10:20 PM on 05/01/2012
I'll bet your grandad's money did his heirs some good.
08:21 AM on 05/01/2012
One of the biggest libricants to our economy is small business. That sector is hurting real bad, Let me share this with you. Ive been in business for over 30 years. I know how difficult it is to start a company, and now in this economy almost impossible, I have seen a shift in the way customers think, and how they behave. Today they only consider price and dont care what they get. Then they are angry, demanding and expect instant gratification. If you are a start up company, you cant hardly get customers. People wont support you. In the service industry, if you advertise, no one will respond to your advertising. Alot of money can be spent real fast for nothing, You can try all kinds of specials and offer great deals listing how really good you are but no one will even call. Customers say they cant trust anyone in service industry, Yet those in the service industry say its hard to find a good customer. Now if you advertise you are the cheapest in town, then people loose all fears of trust and will call you ,
We have also created this business invironment, who would want to be in business today providing needed jobs?
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
08:28 AM on 05/01/2012
Wage growth for the bulk of the population has stagnated. That's the root of your problem, and it won't be fixed until our taxes become progressive again.
06:34 PM on 05/01/2012
How do you think taking more money from others is going to solve the HUGE deficit and debt issues we have right now? The Buffet rule would have brought in, at best, $4.7B a year. That is absolutley miniscule compared to our annual deficit let alone our debt. Even if we confiscated ALL the wealth of the "rich", we can't even cover our annual deficit. And lastly, how in world do you think higher taxes will INCREASE wage growth? If people have less to spend, how do you think we will pay people more money to work?
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ChasG
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10:21 PM on 05/01/2012
Faved my friend.  Right on point.
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PeterNPaul
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07:11 AM on 05/01/2012
It is sad day that to tell the hard truth in America, the only way you can do is to not have to worry about the feel good myths of the electorate.

To spin the statement a different way however, 100% of the personal income tax is consumed by the military, its ancillary agencies, or interest on the debt, largely incurred by past military excursions. The rest is mandatory. Military spending is discretionary.
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ChasG
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10:25 PM on 05/01/2012
We need to phase out a couple or a few hundred billion from the military and homeland security budgets.  We can do this at a pace that does not push too many military, government and private sector people into unemployment if we pace the reductions to increase the newly unemployed at a rate that is substantially less than the rate at which new jobs are being created.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
06:55 AM on 05/01/2012
good read: Prof Chomsky: There is either a crisis or a return to the norm of stagnation. One view is the norm is stagnation and occasionally you get out of it. The other is that the norm is growth and occasionally you can get into stagnation. You can debate that but it’s a period of close to global stagnation. In the major state capitalists economies, Europe and the US, it’s low growth and stagnation and a very sharp income differentiation a shift — a striking shift — from production to financialization.

The US and Europe are committing suicide in different ways. In Europe it’s austerity in the midst of recession and that’s guaranteed to be a disaster. There’s some resistance to that now. In the US, it’s essentially off-shoring production and financialization and getting rid of superfluous population through incarceration. It’s a subtext of what happened in Cartagena [Colombia] last week with the conflict over the drug war. Latin America wants to decriminalize at least marijuana (maybe more or course;) the US wants to maintain it. An interesting story. There seems to me no easy way out of this…
more: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/30/talking-with-chomsky/
bullthull
Enemy of all that is stupid
09:43 AM on 05/01/2012
But wait I thought we needed even more stimulus , sooner or later the debt has to be paid funny how that is ignored.
01:41 PM on 05/01/2012
Especially by republicans when in power! What happened to Clinton's surplus?
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ChasG
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10:29 PM on 05/01/2012
Actually, the debt will be paid by replacement with new debt.  While it's a good idea for individuals to at least make a reasonable plan to get out of debt before retirement, nations don't retire, and nations don't have to get out of debt to prosper; they need only to assure that their growth of debt in the long haul is less than the growth in national wealth (which needs to be more equitably distributed for the sake of the health of the economy).
bullthull
Enemy of all that is stupid
09:46 AM on 05/01/2012
But he is a Linguist, not an economist
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jerrym930
Conservative Independent & Viet Nam Vet
06:45 AM on 05/01/2012
What Mr. Bowles failed to mention is that we have reached a point where the Department of the Treasury has to sell an average of over $3.5 trillion in new Treasury Notes and Bonds every year. Every year, the amount of Treasury Notes and Bonds that are maturing is increasing. It is not just the interest on the debt that is getting dangerously high, it is also the amount of priciple coming due each year that is increasing at an alarming rate.

The Department of the Treasury has to re-sell the maturing Notes and Bonds, or else they will default on the priciple, not the interest. In 2010, $4 trillion in Notes and Bonds matured. That was more than the entire Federal Budget. We are going to hit the wall when people and other countries stop buying our already accumulated debt, not when we can't pay the interest.

The interest and the principle are first on the list of payment our government must make. When we hit the wall, everything else will be cut, including Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. The Constitution requires the Government maintain the military, in order todefend the nation. Spending on this will also be cut, but everything else will disappear. This is what awaits us in the next 10 years, if we do not make changes now.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
07:03 AM on 05/01/2012
Another possibility is printing more dollars. Not good for bondholders and probably the end of our long Treasury bond market (but if it's going to end anyways ....). Then again if we (the US) have this high structural unemployment, it may mean our dollar is too high. A lower dollar and higher inflation will likely bring back the days of gold and collectibles, until rates spiked.
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06:06 AM on 05/01/2012
"I think today we face the most predictable economic crisis in history,”

True

"Fortunately, I think it’s also the most avoidable.

False

I think it’s clear, if you do simple arithmetic, that the fiscal path that the nation is on is simply not sustainable.”

True...math does not lie and future liabilities will not be paid and civil unrest and turmoil will follow (see the EU today)

Every government/empire/country has done what we (and the EU) are doing throughout history. They all rise, stagnate, and then fail due to debt. None have ever escape it. When governments form they begin to attract crooks and sociopaths. Republics last the longest because they are the most open and fair, but eventually they get corrupted to the point of failure. Communism/Socialism/Fascism all have shorter life cycles because corruption is much easier in them.

In all of history, no government became more honest, less corrupt, or granted its citizens more rights as it grew in size. E.L. 2011

So if you are for more, bigger government you are for more corruption and a speedier end to your government. There in lies the danger...what form of government/leader will you get. You get George Washington about 1 in 100 and you get Stalin/Hitler/Mao the other 99.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
06:59 AM on 05/01/2012
erf, woof, woof, FF:
09:45 AM on 05/01/2012
Good Post.
03:45 AM on 05/01/2012
HUGE defense budgets and questionable wars, corporate welfare, ridiculously low taxes on higher incomes, crazy deregulation where Wall Street and banks are allowed to take incredibly risky actions, bailouts after the Wall Streeters and bankers almost bring down the economy.................OF COURSE we are going to have high deficits even before you look at the social programs for ordinary Americans.