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Spain Officially In Recession For Second Time In Three Years

By CIARAN GILES 04/30/12 12:55 PM ET AP

Spain Recession

MADRID — As their losses from mortgages grow, Spanish banks have begun discussions about creating a separate entity – a "bad bank" – to take on these assets and relieve pressure on the country's financial sector.

The goal of the new organization would be to reduce the financial strain on banks and prevent the need for either a more costly government bailout or an international rescue along the lines of Greece, Portugal and Ireland.

News of the bank talks on Monday emerged as ratings agency Standard & Poor's downgraded the debt of 11 Spanish banks – including Banco Santander SA, the eurozone's largest by market capitalization – because of growing concerns about the effects of Spain's shrinking economy on the banking industry. S&P warned that five other Spanish banks are at risk of a similar downgrade.

The official for Spain's Economy Ministry confirmed Monday that the Spanish banking industry is discussing creating a private entity that would assume their toxic assets. The new asset management organization is designed to take the burden of trying to sell foreclosed properties off the banks and allow them to concentrate on providing credit to the private sector.

The official added that banks would be able to transfer toxic assets only if they had already set aside provisions under existing government rules. The government would not inject any taxpayer money into the creation of such an entity and its role would be limited to setting up rules for how it would work. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in line with ministry rules.

Spain's National Statistics Institute added to the country's worries Monday by announcing that it was officially back in recession as the country's economy shrank 0.3 percent in the first quarter compared to the previous three months. This is Spain's second recession in three years. The contraction follows a similar decline in the final quarter of last year.

The bursting in 2008 of a real estate bubble that powered the economy for more than a decade has saddled banks, particularly Spain's savings banks or 'cajas', with enormous amounts of bad loans. The country's central bank, the Bank of Spain, says the sector is still burdened with about (EURO)175 billion ($230 billion) in "problematic" real estate holdings. There are concerns that, as Spain's shrinking economy takes its toll on the banks, the government and possibly international lenders will be forced to step in and rescue the banks.

The government has already been pushing the lenders to strengthen their finances by merging and has introduced rules that require banks to set aside an estimated total of (EURO)50 billion ($65.7 billion) more in provisions by the end of the 2012 to cover their toxic real estate assets.

Spain's economic problems have become the focus of Europe's debt crisis as investors worry over Spain's ability to push through austerity measures and reforms at a time of recession and an unemployment rate hitting 24 per cent – or 50 per cent for those aged under 25. Late last week, S&P downgraded the country's credit rating by two notches from A to BBB+, citing a worsening budget deficit, worries over the banking system, and poor economic prospects.

The austerity measures are aimed principally at slashing the government's deficit from 8.5 percent of economic output to the maximum level set by the European Union of 3 percent by 2013. For this year the goal is 5.3 percent.

With the economy shrinking, there are concerns that the government will not meet its targets and will be forced to seek a bailout. The National Statistics Institute on Monday said that compared to the first quarter of 2011, the economy shrank 0.4 percent. The Bank of Spain last week said the economy had shrunk 0.4 percent on the quarter. The statistics institute's findings are taken as the official figures.

Sunday saw tens of thousands people march throughout Spain to protest the conservative's government batch of emergency reforms and austerity measures.

But speaking the same day, Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said the government would continue to make reforms week by week, claiming the gravity of the situation required this.

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Daniel Woolls contributed from Madrid.

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Erikhuffpost
Anything can happen within the next 5 minutes
06:36 PM on 05/04/2012
A question to the Americans here: how would you react?

Let's suppose the USA,Mexico, and Canada gathered together in a monetary union. And suppose your currency would be replaced by something called the NAFTA.

Despite reservations from the American people, and criticism from economists, steps to implement the new currency carry on relentlessly. At the date of conversion to the new currency the USD stands at USD 2.20371 = 1 NAFTA.

Suddenly, the American people find something that would cost 1 USD in their grocerystore now costs 1 NAFTA (i.e. USD 2.20371) The American people are upset and demand an explanation, for they view it is as inflation.

But no matter what, Washington DC simply tells the American people they don't see it right.

Years go by, and the American people learn ther USD was actually swapped at a too low exchange rate, to assist Canada. Canada in turn, became the manufacturing powerhouse, helped by its relatively cheap products.

Mexico faced great problems, socially and financially, to meet the demands for joining the union in the first place, but lo and behold, some creative accounting, and the assistance of some Swiss banking firms, they could join.

Naturally this swindle fell apart, and now the Americans are "asked" to help Mexico out to keep Canada aloof. And for that, a magic solution was at hand: austerity.

If you think this is the scenario of a sci-fi B-movie: welcome to the Eurozone.

How would you react?
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
07:03 PM on 05/03/2012
If Spain, USA, UK, France, PIIGS, etc., and/or Greece had a larger industrial manufacturing portion as a part of their GDP instead of government payrolls and government contracts, then that would create additional new jobs for their/our citizens plus new additional NATIONAL WEALTH instead of destroying NATIONAL WEALTH with government spending (at all levels).

Each government would then be able to raise more funds to spend on government activities by CONFISCATING some of this newly created NATIONAL WEALTH being created by their wealth creators, and then not having to borrow WEALTH (US Dollars, Euros, Gold and/or other currency) back from foreign individuals (in the foreign industrialized nations) that each nations citizens paid to these foreigners to make the consumer items that we imported.

Each nation must create their own new NATIONAL WEALTH to pay for all of their increasing government expenses without borrowing additional US Dollars or Euros (wealth) back from foreign individuals in the wealth creating industrialized nations.

The Industrialized nations are delivering products to the USA and the USA is delivering title to privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, breweries, refineries, forests, ports, breweries, refineries, and other privately owned NATIONAL WEALTH assets located in the USA that were created by previous wealth producing US generations before de-industrialization instead of Gold from Ft. Knox to pay for those products.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
07:06 PM on 05/03/2012
Privately owned taxable NATIONAL WEALTH and NON-GOVERNMENT JOBS are (only) made, created, and/or acquired when the members of a family or the citizen businessmen of a nation, city-state, island, tribe, etc. perform one or more of the following tasks:

1. plant, grow and/or harvest something of commercial value from the earth;

2. extract something of commercial value from the earth;

3. manufacture something of commercial value that is consumable

4. construct a building that is permanently useful for rental income;

5. provide professional services (medical, legal, dental, engineering, architecture, land surveying, technology, accounting, etc.);

6. collect payment for patent and copyright uses;

and if they then trade, sell, lease or rent these items and/or services to parties outside of their family, in return for a net transfer of gold, currency or commodities from other parties outside of their family into their own family, then that family is enriched.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
07:09 PM on 05/03/2012
The members of that family (tribe, city, state, nation) can then reflect the amount of their real NATIONAL WEALTH and financial security with their net positive accumulation of privately owned grain, gold, cattle, jewels, land, buildings, hotels, casinos, factories, commodities and/or other marketable products that are then available to be used for economic security for reserve use in times of emergency, to raise the standard of living for the members of that family, to take care of those family members that cannot take care of themselves, and also be available as collateral (products, commodities and/or title to locally in-country located assets) to redeem any printed currency that they might care to issue, and/or as “mortgage” collateral for any paper Treasury Bonds that they might care to print and sell.

Can we also understand NATIONAL WEALTH needs to be created by industrious private businessmen (and the Corporations) in any nation because that is almost the ONLY WEALTH AVAILABLE to be CONFISCATED in the form of TAXATION by various levels of government in order to create funds to take care of those that cannot take care of themselves, to build and operate schools, streets, water and sewer systems, repay sovereign national debts, pork barrel projects, green projects, infrastructure projects, wars, streets, bridges, highways, welfare, unemployment, police, courts, prisons, fire fighters, social security and other WEALTH CONSUMING government provided bureaucratic activities for that family, tribe, city, state, or nation.
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Stewart Goss
Evil requires the sanction of the victim -Ayn Rand
06:35 PM on 04/30/2012
Total BS. I just looked at the UK budget:

2007 spending: 587 billion pounds
2011 spending: 711 billion pounds

Explain to me how this is "austerity".
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Erikhuffpost
Anything can happen within the next 5 minutes
05:52 PM on 05/04/2012
The UK is not part of the Eurozone, but apart from that, did the budget also tell you what all that money was spent upon?

It would not surprise a lot of that spending had to do with "rescuing" "too-big-too-fail" banks and utility companies, such some of Britain's privatised rail companies.
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Stewart Goss
Evil requires the sanction of the victim -Ayn Rand
06:30 PM on 04/30/2012
Austerity alone isn't enough, you need to deregulate the market. As long as you have nations with business averse policies, unsustainable public pensions and draconian taxes the problem won't go away.
01:55 AM on 05/01/2012
Your idea works just fine IF you want a small minority living well and the rest of the people being wage slaves and having low standards of living.

Deregulation is not in the best interests of the masses and neither is the loss of a decent retirement fund (social security, pensions, whatever).

Sadly, you need money to make money.

Even Romney admits this by saying that young people should start businesses with money borrowed from their parents.

Ordinary American parents don't have that kind of money to give (lend) to their kids.

And college is becoming unaffordable for too many lower class young people.

Most jobs today are low paying (for students who are willing to work to pay for their schooling) and education is much pricier now.

Never mind student loan debt may take years, even decades to pay off.
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Stewart Goss
Evil requires the sanction of the victim -Ayn Rand
06:17 PM on 04/30/2012
They never went out of recession, just as we haven't. They merely bought time by borrowing enormous sums of money.

At this point in time nations can no longer borrow ad infinitum as the interest rates on their notes will shoot up in tandem.

Those countries still pursuing a policy of monetary expansion live on borrowed time.
02:00 AM on 05/01/2012
Perhaps such a huge military that polices the world and gets involved in questionable wars could have costs reigned in?

Perhaps we could get rid of corporate welfare.
Big corporations making huge profits don't need subsidies and neither do rich factory farming operations.

How about cutting the salaries and benefits of politicians?
They shouldn't get better health care than average public sector workers and their retirement fund should also be the same.

How about stopping pork spending for bridges to nowhere?

I can find plenty of ways to cut spending.....before we even go near hurting ordinary Americans.

Maybe those at the top should sacrifice first and show the rest of us how it is done.
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Luman Walter
Once arrested for juggling.
04:05 PM on 04/30/2012
The last time Spain was this weak we stole Cuba and the the Philippines from them. Watch out Canary Islands; we got our eyes on you.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
07:10 PM on 05/03/2012
Spain might sell their Canary Islands at a real good price.

Maybe Bill Gates could make them an offer.
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Erikhuffpost
Anything can happen within the next 5 minutes
05:54 PM on 05/04/2012
As amusing as it may sound, in practice it won't work. "Brussels" would not allow it.
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Luman Walter
Once arrested for juggling.
06:03 PM on 05/04/2012
I'm pretty sure we could take them.
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Serio420
03:40 PM on 04/30/2012
Hopefully those folks are protesting to have their government repeal labor regulations. Of course those countries have all been sufficiently propagandized that regulations, government spending, and higher taxes are good. For crying out loud, they vote in socialists. That's about as economically illiterate as you can get.
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MassWG
03:06 PM on 04/30/2012
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on what EU "austerity" programs are all about. So-called austerity consists largely of tax increases, including raising the top income-tax rates to over 50%. It's dems that want to raise taxes, not repubs.
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03:12 PM on 04/30/2012
Yep. Make the people pay for the deeds of the banks and governments.
12:02 AM on 05/01/2012
The Repubs just want to sink America, so they can get the power of the purse back to enrich their crony masters, and hence themselves, again. We could solve most of the deficit problem just by repealing every non-funded or under-funded Bush era policy (everything). Instead, the Repubs fight to take more from the working class to forcibly redistribute it to the 1%.

Dems lowered taxes multiple times, and every time, the Repubs fought against them. Why? Because for the Repubs, it ain't about helping America, even by their thoroughly debunked agenda, it's all about the power to enrich themselves.

If you're a Republican voter and actually work for a living or are looking for work, you have no one to blame but yourself.
03:05 PM on 04/30/2012
The idea that austerity is the appropriate policy for countries whose economies are struggling to emerge from the Little Depression is total lunacy. Britain is in a second dip recession and now Spain and the other European countries will follow.

Austerity under such conditions is like an 18th century doctor bleeding a patient that is suffering from a serious loss of blood.

STIMULUS, NOT AUSTERITY is needed to restore a depressed economy.
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03:10 PM on 04/30/2012
If the goal is to truly restore the economy. If the goal is to bleed the peasants try and implement massive wealth transfer, then austerity is the way to go
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Serio420
03:29 PM on 04/30/2012
"STIMULUS, NOT AUSTERITY is needed to restore a depressed economy."

Too bad there isn't really any proof of that. Every example that the Keynesians point to is a horrible example.
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swift goat pet for truth
The Life of the Land is preserved in Righteousness
04:02 PM on 04/30/2012
Actually, there is about 100 years of real world examples.

It is just that the Right wing does not want to connect to the Real World.
02:49 PM on 04/30/2012
Whenever austerity is trashed, the fact that individual countries in the EU
can not print money the way the Fed has here is ignored. Spain, Greece and Italy
can't spend money they don't have and can't borrow. Those who think that
can't happen here don't know how to read a balance sheet. In spite of what the
media imply, there has been no austerity here. In fact more money has been spent
this year than last and the only decrease in spending has been in defense. The facts
are a troubling thing, especially since the left loves to claim that children and seniors
are being starved.
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Stewart Goss
Evil requires the sanction of the victim -Ayn Rand
06:21 PM on 04/30/2012
Spending in 2006 = 2.6 trillion
Spending in 2011 = 3.8 trillion

LMAO, what kind of austerity is this?
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Joseph LeCompte
The USA isnt broke.It was robbed.
02:40 PM on 04/30/2012
Spain had a good budget. The housing crash did all the damage plus being unfairly grouped with the pigs
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
03:04 PM on 04/30/2012
CDS's screwed everyone. Do you want to know what is funny? The banks are still carrying on with this practice UNREGULATED!!! This is why I believe that America's good days are over. Once word; FACISM!
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
02:39 PM on 04/30/2012
Dutch governing coalition resigns after failing to complete an austerity plan and anxiety over the Euro.

nytimes co m/2012/04/24/ world/europe/dutch-governing-coalition-resigns-after-failing-to-pass-austerity-budget.html

Major Czech Republic protests after fiscal tightening program.

ft.com/intl/cms/ s/ 0/ 3fe87862-8c92-11e1-9758-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/global-economy/feed// product#axzz1tYBLl5h7
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traceymarie
the President is black, deal with it
02:48 PM on 04/30/2012
every country that has implemented severe austerity programs has gotten worse, so the repubs say....let's do that
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
02:54 PM on 04/30/2012
Austerity has never been an efficient model to save an economy.
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
02:54 PM on 04/30/2012
I don't think the Euro will last long.
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
02:30 PM on 04/30/2012
Now I looked at the Euro chart today and noticed that it took a good dip in comparison to other currencies except the USD, which tells me the Fed is printing more money.
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Joseph LeCompte
The USA isnt broke.It was robbed.
02:38 PM on 04/30/2012
It's the strongest reserve currency out there.
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ruolivert
02:42 PM on 04/30/2012
That's like saying someone is the smartest person in the remedial class. At some point paper becomes just paper, its happened to all the reserve currencies before this one
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
02:43 PM on 04/30/2012
Not for long. Did you hear about the BRIC's are developing a new world reserve currency that allows them to trade without buying green backs? America is on the decline, and its reign is over.
03:08 PM on 04/30/2012
That is good. That is why the United States economy continues to grow instead of stalling. The only thing wrong is that monetary policy in the United States is that it is not giving the economy enough stimulus to bring the unemployment rate down at a fast enough rate.
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Logicalthinker10
Religious denominations cause division .
03:17 PM on 04/30/2012
It is only good when it (USD) is going into something that is efficient, like infrastructure and social programs instead of the banks. Within the last few years, most of the printed USD have been distributed to the banks, at practically no interest, instead of programs that support Main Street. Also, more uncontrolled printing can cause the inflated prices of consumer goods.
02:23 PM on 04/30/2012
Austerity solves nothing. Without consequences, banks will just be free to screw up all over again, haivng learned nothing except "if I screw up badly enough, I'll get bailed out".

Cutting spending and revenues and increasing taxes does nothing in tough times. When a fire is dying you don't pull sticks out of it to try and keep it going. Accept the consequences of your bad bets and live with your failures. Push forward and learn from this: make yourselves stronger and better than you were before over time.
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gerimd
Not intended to be a factual statement
02:11 PM on 04/30/2012
Clearly what they were doing didn't work.
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JoAnn Kennedy
02:35 PM on 04/30/2012
Maybe not for the common people, however for the banks it was a windfall profit of taxpayers monies & a continue of bad financial practices that prolonged the greedy making of billions