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Susan Southerland, Just Marry!: An Entrepreneur Is Forced To Lay Off Her Best Friend

Posted: 05/ 1/2012 11:47 am Updated: 05/ 1/2012 12:24 pm

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Susan Southerland (right) had to lay off her best friend, Michele Butler, when the recession hit her business hard.

Susan Southerland and Michele Butler weren't just employer and employee -- they were best friends. They worked together all day at Southerland's company, Orlando, Fla.-based Just Marry!, talked on the phone at night, went out together socially and were there for each other through the deaths of their fathers, births of their children and both of their divorces. "We spent most of our time together, confided in each other, supported each other," Southerland recalls.

"We were a huge support for each other during any trauma and drama in our lives," Butler agrees. "We spoke daily and often. We were inseparable. We were very much like sisters, actually."

But when the recession hit Just Marry! hard, Southerland had to make one of the toughest decisions since she started the business: She had to lay off her best friend.

It was a measure that Southerland had tried to avoid for as long as possible. She had already laid off all her other employees, stopped using contractors and had even stopped taking a salary for herself. She had cut Butler's salary and taken away some of Butler's benefits, such as reimbursing for dry cleaning and mileage. But when Southerland had to take out a $80,000 home equity line to help cover business expenses, she knew she couldn't keep her friend employed any longer. "I was taking personal funds to be able to continue to pay her," Southerland said.

Though Southerland said she was trying to drop hints for Butler, Butler said she was surprised when she was let go. "We had struggled before and had come out of it, so I figured this would be the case again," Butler said. "She had said that she would make it work and I believed her, but this was obviously a different situation and we weren't the only business being negatively affected by the economy."

Butler said the layoff felt more like a divorce. "Outside of any break-ups and deaths I’ve experienced in my life, the loss of what we had as friends causes me the greatest pain," she said. "We managed to stay friends, but our friendship has never been what it once was."

Still, both women somehow emerged from the experience not only on good terms personally but with increased success professionally. Butler went on to start her own business, Michele Butler Events, an event planning company specializing in weddings and social parties with four full-time and several part-time employees.

And Southerland has experienced significant revenue increases, written a book, "The Susan Southerland Secret," and booked numerous speaking engagements. Not surprisingly, her decision to let her best friend go is a topic that often comes up.

Michele Butler was your first hire, six years after you started your business. Do you remember your first impression when you met her?

She was bubbly and fun, with just a wonderful personality. She seemed very similar to me, and I thought we would have a good time working together.

And you ended up becoming best friends. Is there a moment that stands out that illustrates to you how close you were and how much you went through together?

I vividly remember when her dad passed away. She called me to tell me her dad died, and said, "What do I do, how am I going to get through this?" I was with her throughout that whole process, helped her clean out her parents' house and get her mother resettled. That was a very difficult time.

When your business started suffering in the recession, was it further affected because you were so close personally?

Looking back, there were decisions I could have made for the business that I didn't make because of my relationship with her. For most of the time we were together, she was helpful in making decisions and taking the business in a certain direction, and it was all very positive. But when the recession started and financial decisions had to be made, that's when it became difficult.

You actually took her to the bank with you once when you had to transfer personal funds into the business?

It wasn't as melodramatic as it sounds -- we just happened to be out and she came with me to the bank and saw me transferring that money from my private account into the business.

But you were hoping she'd get the hint and quit?

Yeah, I'd say that I was too chicken to really pull the trigger myself on this and finally say "I love you, this has been great, but I can't keep doing this." She was probably also feeling "Susan is not able to pay me as much, I don't know where this is going, maybe I should do something about it." I think both of us, because of our friendship, were hesitant and had a fear of the unknown.

Was it also difficult to let her go because you knew she was in the middle of a breakup with her fiancee and was a single mother without child support?

When you are so entangled with someone, there never really is a good time. It was like going through a divorce. It wasn't as simple as "your services are no longer needed." And my personality was more nurturing than cutthroat. I would sacrifice things for myself to help other people, whereas I learned a valuable lesson, that I have to put the business first, because that's something my family depends on.

And when you had to finally fire her in February 2009, what was that talk like?

I think it had been so much of a struggle for so long, it was more of a fizzle than a boom. It was a phone call. It was upsetting for both of us, but she didn't specifically express anything like "you're a horrible person." It wasn't anything dramatic. It was more like, "I'm going to figure out what I'm going to do now."

Were you surprised that what she did do was start her own business in the same industry?

My intent was never to put her in a situation where she couldn't earn a living, so I let her take her clients and photos of events she did, so if she was going to build a business, she'd have the tools to start with.

But your friendship was affected?

Yes, it was definitely affected, I think more so because of outside forces. We'd run into chatter all over the place from different vendors. That was probably the most difficult part.

Have you been able to repair your friendship?

She traveled all the way from Colorado to be part of my wedding two years ago. Her mother just passed away, and while we're no longer best friends, I was there for the funeral and there for her, and I'm expecting a baby in a couple of weeks, so she'll be there for that. I can't say we even speak once a month, but we do run into each other very often. We're certainly more than acquaintances but not as close as we were.

Do you miss her as a best friend, even though you made the right decision for your business?

She was with the company about 10 years, and now she's been gone three. I miss that she brought out a sillier side in me. I was always a very serious and driven person, and some of the most ridiculous, fun times I've had were with her. I miss those. On the flip side, when I went to hire again, I found people who did not have similar skill sets as me, and that has allowed me to do other things I wanted to do and brought in new revenue streams that I didn't have before.

And knowing what you know now, what would you have done differently?

We have said this to each other: Had we known it was going to turn out all right for everybody involved, we would have done it sooner, which would have made it less financially taxing on me and less mentally taxing on her. And I learned subsequently, in talking with other people about difficult things you need to do in business, that sometimes letting someone go is the best thing you can do. Sometimes you can be just as much of an anchor to them as they are to you.

Entrepreneur Spotlight

Name: Susan Southerland
Company: Just Marry!
Age: 41
Location: Orlando, Fla.
Founded: 1992
Employees: 5 full time, 2 part time, 10 contractors
2012 Projected Revenue: 150 percent over-the-year increase in revenue
Website: http://justmarry.com

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  • A Wedding Of Her Own

    Southerland on her wedding day. Though she had already laid off Butler, Butler flew in to be part of her wedding party.

  • Business is Booming

    Southerland and Just Marry! wedding coordinator Jennifer Holt working at a client's wedding.

  • Making News

    Southerland on air for a local news broadcast on wedding trends.

  • By the Book

    Southerland at a book signing for "The Susan Southerland Secret." She is at work on her second book.

  • Speaking Up

    Southerland has expanded her business to include speaking engagements.

  • TV Spot

    Southerland on the set of an instructional video shoot about wedding planning for eHow.com.

  • For Better or Wose

    Southerland (center) and Butler (right), with Southerland's co-author Kristy Chenell, are still friends, even though they both compared Butler's layoff to going through a divorce.

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Susan Southerland and Michele Butler weren't just employer and employee -- they were best friends. They worked together all day at Southerland's company, Orlando, Fla.-based Just Marry!, talked on the...
Susan Southerland and Michele Butler weren't just employer and employee -- they were best friends. They worked together all day at Southerland's company, Orlando, Fla.-based Just Marry!, talked on the...
 
 
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Brian Workman
09:02 PM on 05/02/2012
It looks like a case for bankruptsy and everybody has to take a walk!? Happens everyday!!!
12:49 PM on 05/03/2012
Fortunately, I didn't need to file bankruptcy. After some more belt-tightening, great advice and some fresh blood, everything worked out! Even the loan is almost paid back. I learned a lot of great lessons from the experience.
CHUXKLES
Independently, non-dependent
07:37 PM on 05/02/2012
Ain't reality...well. . . REAL!
12:51 PM on 05/03/2012
Well said!
07:31 PM on 05/02/2012
I fail to understand why this is news. We all have things happen to us that is outside the norm, but it never occurred to me to let the media know when something happened to me.
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listgirl3
Always remember to tip your ninja.
05:21 PM on 05/02/2012
Ugh, I had to fire my best friend once. She didn't speak to me for 2 years, even though it was not my choice to do the firing :(
12:46 PM on 05/03/2012
That is so difficult. When I was going through this situation, I thought about how nice it would be if someone else was forcing me to do the firing. I guess it doesn't help!
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Kelly Carroll
04:57 PM on 05/02/2012
My Mom and I own a business together. About 6 years ago, business was slow, so I went out and found another job for a couple years. Then, the business started booming, and I came back. We've been working together now for a couple years, and it's fine. We have spats, but we are both honest and respect each other, so we don't have to worry about theft. I like that we can disagree about a decision, but not have to worry about someone getting fired. There are few jobs that allow employees to voice an opinion without fear, which is how I run things here. Employees can voice concerns or disagreements, as long as they're respectful, and go from there.

I have made it clear I won't get close to employees, but will always be kind. I don't want to get into a situation like my husband did. He had to fire someone that we had both helped, via donating bathroom items to a guy and his girlfriend, and allowing the employee's personal life to interfere with work on a regular basis. After he continually didn't show up for work and didn't bother to call, he was fired. It was horrible, and very sad for everyone involved, especially as the employee preferred to lash out, instead of learn from his mistake.
12:54 PM on 05/03/2012
I'm impressed that you can work with your mom! I adore my mother, but I'm not sure that I could do that.

I have an open-door policy as well. It is one of my favorite things about my corporate culture. Everyone is allowed to voice opinions, even if it's in complete disagreement with something I've said. I feel like it gives us such a great flow of ideas.

It's still hard for me not to get close, personally with my employees. I think age is helping though. Most of them are quite a bit younger than I am!
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Kelly Carroll
01:35 PM on 05/03/2012
Sometimes I'm impressed I can work with her, too. LOL A good cry, an 'I'm sorry', and a hug usually fix the issue. :)
04:40 PM on 05/02/2012
Friends in a job doesn't exist. I wonder if they knew each other since childhood. One thing thatI learned is that your boss is NEVER your friend no matter how much he/she jokes around or plays. Back stabbing is very common in jobs and I also learned that when someone starts in a new job, the first ones that give you coffee and doughnuts every morning are the first ones that will back stab you. We've got to be careful with bosses and co workers because at the end there will be always someone that will want to make your life miserable.
12:56 PM on 05/03/2012
We actually met on the day that I interviewed Michele. She didn't start as a friend, but rapidly became one.

I've been doing a lot of reading on running businesses, and one common theme that I've seen is that anyone who is negative, or seems to be a trouble-maker, he or she should be fired quickly before spreading that negativity. I'd hate to think of always working in an atmosphere where I was waiting for a co-worker to stab me in the back. Yuck!
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dl0007
04:13 PM on 05/02/2012
That's a tough thing to do, but : BUSINESS IS BUSINESS!
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09:04 PM on 05/02/2012
And that's the problem right there
01:00 PM on 05/03/2012
It would have been so easy to think that business is business, but that's not how I feel at all. I still empathize with my employees to the point that I will bend over backwards to make sure that each of them is okay. I probably wouldn't go deep into debt again (risking my own family's future), but I would go to great lengths for a loyal employee to make sure that if I had to let her go, that she was on as stable ground as possible.
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bassx101
UMAD!?
03:59 PM on 05/02/2012
Yay!!! seee florida is not so F'ed up afterall!!! lulz
01:01 PM on 05/03/2012
I'm glad that I could help boost our reputation! :-)
03:21 PM on 05/02/2012
According to the tease she "fired" her best friend, not true, she had to lay her off... Totaly different.
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agb1953
Carson/Rubio 2016! Run Ben Run!
04:46 PM on 05/02/2012
Yeah, stop and halt don't mean the same thing either, do they?
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tygrrrress
Logic crashes on dangerous left turns.
05:26 PM on 05/02/2012
To be fired is generally for cause, where as a layoff is out of necessity. They are indeed two different things.
07:35 PM on 05/02/2012
I was thinking the same thing - having to "fire" your friend is NOT the same thing as having to lay someone off. But then - "woman has to lay off her best friend" doesn't sound as juicy...
11:24 AM on 05/02/2012
Such a tough situation which poses numerous issues. Where does one draw the line for employee relationships? As managers of employees, how good are our people skills - management skills - communication skills? How MUCH should we care when employees become friends....how adept are we able to be when delivering bad news.

My experience was to be appointed the head of a new department where I inherited friend co-workers as employees. These friends had been to my house for dinner, we'd gone out a lot socially......and they did not possess the skills nor caliber of talent I desired for my new department. Previous managers hadn't proffered similar skill reviews so mine was seen as a personal attack.. I offered additional training that was not taken seriously. For my "professional" success I had to let them go. There was zero understanding. I was uninvited to weddings and verbally trashed to any and all who would listen. STILL hurts.....
01:09 PM on 05/03/2012
That sounds like a dreadful situation. It does make us more guarded for next time. I hope to never be in that situation again!
07:47 PM on 05/01/2012
Sad that their friendship isn't the same anymore. Sounds like they are both in a better place. It can be difficult for friends to work together but that depends on how they are personally. Some people take things the wrong way and take it as a personal insult.

Me and a friend got a job together and I ended up quitting. I don't remember what happened but he stopped being friends with me. It happens so you have to decide if you are willing to risk the friendship if things end up going south.

I was downsized from my job a couple years ago and I can't find another one. It forced me to start an online business and to get serious with it and stop fiddling around. So bad circumstances can turn out to be good for you. With everything I have learned, I get to help others to do the same thing and it feels great.
01:12 PM on 05/03/2012
One big thing that I learned from this situation is that if a person is creative and proactive, a bad situation can turn out well. Both of us are doing great! What made Michele a good employee has made her a good business owner, and now she is in control of her own destiny.

It sounds like you turned your situation around really well too. You can't keep a good person down for long.
06:53 PM on 05/01/2012
Get Romney to do it. He likes firing people. So does Trump.
07:36 PM on 05/02/2012
Whew - thank goodness! I was hoping we would see a stupid political comment!
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johnjohn4321
We all win when we ALL win.
06:22 PM on 05/01/2012
I did. He isn't my best friend anymore though......
06:22 PM on 05/01/2012
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MyrtleJune
STOP negotiating! End the American hostage crisis!
05:57 PM on 05/01/2012
Oh. I thought you meant "fire your best friend" from being your best friend. I did that. I'm so freaking relieved. From a job I was stupid enough to hire my best friend to do? Um... no. I could not unless they were just bad and ruining my business then I'd have no problem firing them from both the job and as my best friend. You should not have people in that slot if they don't want to be in that slot so it is best to let them GO. IF they want to be in either slot and show REAL friendship and/or work ethic then keep them. Confusing prospect.
03:57 PM on 05/04/2012
Now, that would be hard and very sad. But, I'm sure it happens. And we weren't friends when I started working with her and only became friends after we had worked together for awhile. It was certainly fun while it lasted and it lasted 11 years, so that's not too bad.