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John Yoo, Former Justice Department Lawyer, Protected From Torture Lawsuit, Rules Appeals Court

John Yoo Torture Lawsuit

PAUL ELIAS   05/ 2/12 07:14 PM ET  AP

SAN FRANCISCO — An appeals court on Wednesday tossed out a convicted terrorist's lawsuit accusing a high-ranking Bush administration lawyer who wrote the so-called "torture memos" of authorizing illegally harsh treatment of "enemy combatants."

Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo is protected from such lawsuits because the law defining torture and the treatment of enemy combatants was unsettled in the two years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, when the memos were written, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said.

The memos have been embroiled in national security politics for years after laying out a broad interpretation of executive power.

A Yoo memo from 2001 advised that the military could use "any means necessary" to hold terror suspects. A 2002 memo to then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales advised that treatment of suspected terrorists was torture only if it caused pain levels equivalent to "organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death."

Yoo also advised that the president might have the constitutional power to allow torturing enemy combatants.

Most famously, Yoo was the principal author of a memo sent to the CIA in August 2002 authorizing "waterboarding," in which water is poured over the face of a bound detainee and simulates drowning. President Barack Obama banned its use in 2009.

The unanimous ruling of the three-judge panel reversed a lower court decision allowing Jose Padilla's lawsuit to go forward. Padilla is serving a 17-year sentence on terror charges.

Padilla was arrested in May 2002 at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" within the United States. President George W. Bush deemed him an enemy combatant, and he was held in military custody for nearly four years before being charged in federal court.

Padilla claims that during his military custody, he was subjected to a wide-range of harsh interrogation techniques that amounted to illegal torture. Padilla said he underwent prolonged isolation, light deprivation, extreme variations in temperature, loud noises, administration of psychotropic drugs and other techniques that he alleged were authorized by Yoo.

The memos authorized CIA interrogators to use waterboarding, keep detainees naked, hold them in painful standing positions and keep them in the cold for long periods of time. Other techniques included depriving them of solid food and slapping them. Sleep deprivation, prolonged shackling and threats to a detainee's family were also used.

"There was at that time considerable debate, both in and out of government, over the definition of torture as applied to specific interrogation techniques," Judge Raymond Fisher wrote for the appeals panel. "In light of that debate...we cannot say that any reasonable official in 2001-03 would have known that the specific interrogation techniques allegedly employed against Padilla, however appalling, necessarily amounted to torture."

The appeals panel also said the trial court erred when it concluded that Padilla and other suspected terrorists held by the military enjoyed the same rights as ordinary prison inmates.

Fisher was joined by Judges N. Randy Smith and Rebecca R. Pallmeyer. Fisher and Pallmeyer were appointed by President Bill Clinton. Bush appointed Smith.

Padilla's attorney Jonathan Freiman said he's deciding whether to pursue further appeals, which could include asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review the case.

"Incommunicado detention, brutal treatment and death threats do not represent American values and are universally condemned," Freiman said. "Hopefully no one else will face the horror that Mr. Padilla and his family have faced. The law should guarantee that, and the Ninth Circuit erred in concluding that Mr. Yoo's actions were not `beyond debate.'"

A federal court in South Carolina last year tossed out a similar lawsuit that Padilla filed against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. A federal appeals court upheld that decision in January.

"The 9th Circuit's decision confirms that this litigation has been baseless from the outset," said Yoo, now a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley. "For several years, Padilla and his attorneys have been harassing the government officials he believes to have been responsible for his detention and ultimately conviction as a terrorist. He has now lost before two separate courts of appeals, and will need to find a new hobby for his remaining time in prison."

An initial review by the Justice Department's internal affairs unit found that Yoo and Jay Bybee – another high-ranking official in Bush's Department of Justice – had committed professional misconduct, a conclusion that could have cost them their law licenses. But, underscoring just how controversial and legally thorny the memos have become, the Justice Department's top career lawyer reviewed the matter and disagreed.

"This decision should not be viewed as an endorsement of the legal work that underlies those memoranda," Assistant Deputy Attorney General David Margolis wrote in a memo released in February 2010.

Bybee is now a judge on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. He was not involved in the court's decision Wednesday.

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Ron Hinchley
The wise man considers what he wants
11:18 AM on 05/07/2012
I think I get the judicial reasoning, the US Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. The cruel and unusual are separate qualifications that must be met. So water-boarding was not unusual, it was only cruel and it needed to be both cruel and unusual to be prohibited constitutionally.
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USMCR
Re-elect NO ONE ! !
07:44 PM on 05/06/2012
If YOO is what we have to look forward to coming out of China I'm all for BUY AMERICAN ! ! !
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USMCR
Re-elect NO ONE ! !
07:33 PM on 05/06/2012
Before you jump to the conclusion that torture is a necessary part of an interrogation.

Several years ago a single police officer was able to get 6 different guys to implicate each other in murder and rape based on nothing but his interrogation methods.

They signed statements to get him to stop. If you can get an innocent person to admit to murder and single out people he barely even knows and in one case just a made up name then you don't need torture.

Someone else had PUBLICLY admitted to being the ONLY person involved in the crime. His DNA was the ONLY match.

These 6 guys were innocent and still went to jail.

GW Botch, cheney and yoo are guilty of war crimes and mass murder, but are protected from prosecution. Why is that?

A soldier that shoots a civilian in a war zone is held accountable.

A president who lied about the situation in order to send the guy to the war zone. He lies, admits he lies, writes books about how he lied makes money and retires.
This same president is responsible for all the innocent people who were "LIBERATED TO DEATH"

America you need to wake up before there isn't anyone left in this country that remembers what a free country looks like
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03:52 PM on 05/06/2012
17:02 on the video.
Yoo admits the author of 8/1/02 memo, but yet can't be prosecuted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYvg4mP0XUc&feature=related

it's worth watching the whole thing 1:13:
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Cynth
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03:07 PM on 05/05/2012
Judge Raymond Fisher: "In light of that debate...we cannot say that any reasonable official in 2001-03 would have known that the specific interrogation techniques allegedly employed against Padilla, however appalling, necessarily amounted to torture."

Really? The Geneva Convention is pretty clear on what constitutes and, for one, the administration of psychotropic drugs without medical necessity seems to amount to torture. Just because a group of people wanted to re-open the debate about what comprises torture doesn't mean that the definitions have changed. This is just more self-serving rationalization that makes the US look like a bunch of hypocrites.
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10:36 AM on 05/04/2012
It's Friday and John Yoo is still a war criminal.
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highercalling
Once more unto the breach
01:01 AM on 05/04/2012
Yoo's treachery raises a related question that hasn't generated much in the way of 2012 attention: with President Obama prohibiting torture, would a President Romney bring it back?

A three-year-long investigation by Senate Intelligence Committee Democrats has confirmed what we already knew: Bush-era torture did not produce valuable intelligence. With the information coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the Osama bin Laden mission, it has an even greater political salience.

But Team Romney hasn't had much to say about this, which is curious.

Greg Sargent has been covering this, and he's asking exactly the right question: "As president, would he revoke the executive order that Obama signed on his first day in office, restricting interrogation techniques to those in the Army Field Manual?"

Some cursory research suggests Romney hasn't offered a perspective on the issue. Given his preference for avoiding firm stands that might bother his Republican base, it's hard to believe he'll be bold on opposition to torture.

But voters deserve an answer on this. Romney's being advised by torture proponents, so it's hardly unreasonable to ask whether he'll be inclined to follow their lead if elected.
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Wilson Orshal
Never pass to the right
10:04 PM on 05/03/2012
If you become OBSESSED with the enemy, you BECOME the enemy. Not being like them is what makes us BETTER than they are.
If they shoot at you, shoot back with deadly intent.
If they are captured or surrender, that is a totally different situation.
Treaties against torture signed according to the Geneva Convention(S) are to be enforced as part of the constitution of the United States wether or not they signed or abide. We are decent, human and humane. We should not lower ourselves to primative reactions with a captive prisoner.
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USMCR
Re-elect NO ONE ! !
07:39 PM on 05/06/2012
Former US president George Bush and his former counterpart Tony Blair were found guilty of war crimes by the The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal which held a four day hearing in the Malaysia.

The five panel tribunal unanimously decided that Bush and Blair committed genocide and crimes against peace and humanity when they invaded Iraq in 2003 in blatant violation of international law.
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RICHARD DIEFENBACH
09:17 AM on 05/08/2012
Wow what is the Kuala Lanpur War Crimes Tribunal going to do about the civilian deaths caused by your boy Obama and his drone attacks? For all his faults Baby Bush did hve at a minimun 2 UN resolutions and Congressional approval for invading Iraq. I am not defending that but just saying he did jet Congressional approval something your boy Obama didn't do before getting involved in Lybia. Chief Warrant Officer 3 U S NAVY Retired.
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LeLoup
Res ipsa loquitur, ergo tace!
09:56 PM on 05/03/2012
So...lawsuit is out of the question?

There are other ways to obtain justice.

Sweet dreams, Counselor Yoo!
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10:41 AM on 05/04/2012
No, the court simply held that Padilla's lawsuit can't proceed because when Yoo wrote the memos, the legal definition of torture and enemy combatants was unclear. They didn't get to the merits of Yoo's conduct.

He's still a war criminal, a disgrace to his country and to the legal profession, and he's still best-advised to avoid traveling in countries that extradite to the Hague.
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Ron Hinchley
The wise man considers what he wants
11:04 AM on 05/07/2012
Really, you can "unsettle" something like torture and it becomes unclear? So the laws, even though they are stated clearly in the ratified treaties, become whimsical when unsettled. For these three judges there is no law. They have assumed the embodiment of law, there will be done.
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LeLoup
Res ipsa loquitur, ergo tace!
10:07 PM on 05/09/2012
"because when Yoo wrote the memos, the legal definition of torture and enemy combatants was unclear. "

This is where the judges were totally full of it! The Convention Against Torture (CAT) is the Law of the Land in the USA. There cannot be any uncertainty about the so-called "legal definition of torture" since the CAT is already pretty damn specific about it.

The ugly truth is that the Federal Courts have been the worst enablers of the government in their quest to escape accountability and the RUle of Law.
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LeLoup
Res ipsa loquitur, ergo tace!
09:53 PM on 05/03/2012
Totally predictable outcome. As Glenn Greenwald convincingly demonstrated, the higher you climb the federal court system, the more craven and docile to the national security arguments of the government the judges become.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/23/federal_judge_complicity/
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moboyle110
The perfect speed is being there
07:20 PM on 05/03/2012
It's interesting the court ruled in favor of Yoo because they stated that the law defining torture and the treatment of enemy combatants was unsettled in the two years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, when the memos he authored were written.

Wasn't it is job as a Deputy Assistant Attorney General to properly define the law in which case, if he had done any research, he would have told the Bush administration that the techniques they wanted to use on prisoners was in fact torture?
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Chopin
Multiply the truth. Speak truth through power.
05:59 PM on 05/03/2012
"WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND!"

In the final analysis, the legality and legitimacy of laws and jurisprudence in USA are ultimately of real life-and-death issues and should be of personal concern to each and every thinking American. Why? Because if this government can selectively target any person, group or class of persons, or segment of society anywhere in the world, with impunity, for torture, assass'nations, indefinite secret detentions without trial, ... then logically and very probably it's foregone conclusion and merely matter of time before any American anywhere can be subjected to the same treatment.

If anyone has doubts about that prospect, just ask yourself, why does the Dept of H0mlandSekurity has on order 450 MILLION .40 caliber hollowpoint high-penetration bu//ets?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-contract-with-department-of-homeland-security-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12

What, for defense against Mexican invasion? Canadian invasion? or American insurr3ction?
... and why would they prepare for that? Has anyone closely looked at the expl0ding national debt? the Trillions of depreciating Dollars printed recently in waves of "QuantitativeEasing" ? and more wars on the political horizon?

There was another time in another country before 1945, where HS was named "StaatSicherheit"="StateSekurity", "SS"). They had their "EnablingAct" that paralleled NDAA and PatriotAct. The rest is history.
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rikkkipug
05:35 PM on 05/03/2012
Let me see, our enemies have no rules, stipulations for what they do, so, in a war situation we tie our own hands when trying to get info we need, they have no issue in killing us, torturing us, they have no rules, I suggest we proceed the same way, get what info we need ever how it takes to get it, remeber, we're doing the war deal to win and hopefully improve things for us and maybe even the population of the coutry where we're fighting.
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Wilson Orshal
Never pass to the right
10:34 PM on 05/03/2012
Let the evidence speak before you form your opinion.
If you become OBSESSED with the enemy, you BECOME the enemy. Not being like them is what makes us BETTER than they are.
If they shoot at you, shoot back with deadly intent.
If they are captured or surrender, that is a totally different situation.
Treaties against torture signed according to the Geneva Convention(S) are to be enforced as part of the constitution of the United States wether or not they signed or are decent, human and humane. We should not lower ourselves to primative reactions with a captive prisoner no matter what the circumstances. If Someone did something henius, let the facts come out and it should be delt with accordingly with due process of law, not just accusations and heresay.
08:34 AM on 05/04/2012
Then of course you want torture installed throughout our military, local, and federal judicial/law enforcement systems, correct?

Because rapists, pedophiles, bank robbers, Pimps, killers,...have all tortured victims.

And those that don't advocate torturing suspects, detainees, prisoners, people of interest,...they're not protecting us, correct?

Were previous Prez's negligent that signed Anti Torture Agreements or Executive Decisions to not torture, same with our military, are they negligent in not advocating torture?
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rikkkipug
09:58 AM on 05/04/2012
Not at all, your like the mass media, speculating, making up falsehoods, question? if the taliban were holding your child, and we captured one of the Taliban who knew where your child was being held but would not give up the location, what would you want done??
If my child, would ever was necessary to get it done, and you??
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:40 PM on 05/03/2012
The law defining torture was settled back in WW2 when we executed Japanese officers for having tortured US Marines. That was 70 years ago, not 7 years ago. The laws regarding torture have been settled for a long, long time. Our founders rejected torture and declared that all forms of it are illegal in this country. Torture is the definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" which is in our constitution as a no-no. Torture was illegal for 70 years and then one fine day Dubya decided to start torturing and all of sudden its a legal gray area? So, were the judges who are giving Yoo cover appointed by Dubya? Because that would be the only thing that makes sense here. More judicial corruption designed to wipe away republican sins and sweep them under the national carpet.
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moboyle110
The perfect speed is being there
04:24 PM on 05/03/2012
Agree regarding the definition of torture.
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Wilson Orshal
Never pass to the right
11:00 PM on 05/03/2012
Besides being questionable in the first place, The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq could have squeaked by as necessities if not for the extreme measures employed and executed by the Bush administration and then then to coerce Yoo (not defending him) to affirm the Bush/Cheney administration.
Yoo needs to come clean and admit his actions and intentions.
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A 1 Percenter
What Difference at This Point Does it Make
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moboyle110
The perfect speed is being there
04:31 PM on 05/03/2012
It's interesting Rodriguez claims the CIA waterboarding program was not torture since it was based on the U.S. military training program. What did he think our training program was preparing our service members for, a walk in the park?

Mistreatment is torture when not freely accepted. Kind of like making love versus rape. Same act but in one case it is OK while in the other it is not, depending on the willingness of the participant.