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Greenland's Glaciers Losing Ice Fast, Though Not At Breakneck Pace, Study Says

AP  |  By Posted: Updated: 05/05/2012 6:46 am

WASHINGTON (AP) — Greenland's glaciers are hemorrhaging ice at an increasingly faster rate but not at the breakneck pace that scientists once feared, a new study says.

The loss of ice from the glaciers that cover the island is about 30 percent faster than it was a decade ago, researchers said. That means Greenland's contribution to future sea level rise would be about 4 inches by the year 2100 if ice loss doesn't speed up much more, a study author said.

That may not sound like much, but when other causes of sea rise around the globe are added, the total could still be about 3 feet by the end of the century, researchers said.

"'Glacial pace' is not slow anymore," said study author Twila Moon, a glacier researcher at the University of Washington.

At the same time, "some of the worst-case possibilities that we had imagined are not coming true at this point," Moon said. "So it's not good news, but it's not bad news."

The scientists relied on a comprehensive satellite-based survey of about 200 glaciers to make their calculations. Their research was published Thursday in the journal Science.

Compared to some past research the findings are somewhat reassuring. A 2008 study had suggested a worst-case scenario that indicated Greenland's glaciers might contribute up to 19 inches of sea rise by the end of the century.

The glaciers have been melting under warmer summer temperatures in Greenland that on average are up by about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degree Celsius) over the last decade, study authors said.

One famous glacier on northwestern Greenland called Jakobshavn is now losing ice at a particularly fast pace of 7 miles (11.3 kilometers) per year. That means an ice loss of nearly 3 feet (1 meter) of ice every hour. If you stare at the glacier for about 20 minutes you can notice it move, said University of California Irvine glacier expert Eric Rignot, who wasn't part of the study.

Even so, that pace doesn't match the predictions laid out in the worst-case laid out in the 2008 study, research that caused alarm about the effects of increasing greenhouse gas emissions that warm the earth.

"We're not seeing some kind of runaway effect," said study co-author, Ian Joughin, another University of Washington glacier scientist.

Rignot said it is unfair to compare this recent study to the more alarming 2008 one, which he said wasn't designed to be overly realistic. However, he noted that the findings of this new study still exceed computer models and projections by the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

NASA Chief Scientist Waleed Abdalati, an ice scientist, called the new work a "valuable study that advances our understanding of a very complex wild card of sea level rise."

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10:32 PM on 05/19/2012
What happens to the Gulf Stream current once the Atlantic is partly desalinized? And what happens to Europe's climate then? Look at London's actual latitude and compare their climate to other cities at that latitude elsewhere.

And then, of course, there are those methane flumes in the Arctic. Folks, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. Read John Barnes' MOTHER OF STORMS.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
08:58 AM on 05/05/2012
You can take two containers of air and shine a heat lamp on them. They warm up. Now add CO2 to one. That one heats up more.

That is because CO2 absorbs infrared heat radiation much better than air. The Earth is warmed by the sun, and then radiates infrared heat into space. Adding CO2 to the atmosphere makes it absorb that heat before it reaches space, causing the Earth to warm. That is not a theory or a computer model. We have satellites in space that measure how much heat the Earth radiates. As the CO2 level in the atmosphere went up, the heat radiated into space went down. The decrease is at exactly the wavelengths that are absorbed by CO2.
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Hoodooman
Non-Aggression Principle
02:39 PM on 05/04/2012
The Earth going through natural changes? That's strange.
04:09 PM on 05/04/2012
another human ignoring basic physics and the conclusions of every scientific institution in the world? That's strange. Oh wait, it's not strange actually...a lot of humans seem to be doing that nowadays. Carry on!
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Hoodooman
Non-Aggression Principle
04:15 PM on 05/04/2012
Grow up.
12:32 AM on 05/05/2012
Here's some facts for all the global warming fanatics out there -

- The earth *will* warm

- There is nothing anyone can do about it

- Many people, ecosystems, and animal species will be very badly affected

- Eventually, the situation will stabilize, and humans and animals will adapt

Until then, turn on your air conditioner.
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Cayce58
08:19 PM on 05/04/2012
95% of the climate scientists say it is not a natural change. You are waaaaay behind the news. "The debate is over. Its happening and its our fault." Scientific Americs 2006 Got that 2006
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Hoodooman
Non-Aggression Principle
08:33 PM on 05/04/2012
What was the percentage of "scientists" who believed that the Earth was flat?
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12:03 PM on 05/04/2012
What a stupid headline. Glaciers cannot "hemorrhage" water because water is not blood. This is as dumb as saying that someone's arm was "decapitated." Buy a dictionary HP!!
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Hoodooman
Non-Aggression Principle
02:38 PM on 05/04/2012
HAHA!
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Odd Man Out
absit iniuria verbis
03:40 PM on 05/04/2012
Perhaps you are being too literal. Or to prove a point. How can a headline be "stupid", it's not a conscious being.

The point is that the glaciers are "bleeding rapidly", they are glaciers, so yeah it is water. They are losing more water than gets added from ice and snow accumulation.
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Cayce58
08:21 PM on 05/04/2012
Shhhh. Go easy on her. She'e one of them and they are running out of arguments.
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09:58 AM on 05/04/2012
While it's good to hear some aspect of this situation is not as bad as originally thought, I'm sure this one study will be used ad nauseum by the deniers to push their 'do nothing' agenda.
12:43 AM on 05/05/2012
The "do nothing" agenda was started by the drafters of Kyoto. No truly serious global warming treaty would have exempted China and India.

Essentially, the left has turned global warming into nothing more than a big joke....
03:03 AM on 05/04/2012
Well...any good news is welcome, but if you keep an eye on the environmental news, it pretty much always ends up saying "faster than we thought it would happen." And, like artleads says below, the melt is exponential rather than linear. The more melts, the faster the rest melts.
02:31 AM on 05/04/2012
This isn't so surprising. IPCC's AR4 notably did not include the amount of sea level rise do to ice melt. Why? It was something about the unpredictable and or unstable nature of ice sheets. This article is about glaciers. Glaciers are the fringes of the ice sheet on Greenland. It's good to know that some serious measurements and monitoring are going on. And, past performance is no indication of future behavior.
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PlayTOE
Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
01:02 AM on 05/04/2012
Oil corporations are giving everyone in Greenland more ice free land, and everyone in the Maldive islands a free swimming pool in their back yards ...

(and Polar bears don't vote .. )
08:30 PM on 05/03/2012
Deniers will rejoice at the news and ignore the part that says ice loss is still faster than predicted by the IPCC. Anyone care to bet?
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gywkwakwa
sick of LP bull
07:44 PM on 05/03/2012
Just gotta say this:

Antarctica - Highest September snowfall on record -
Third largest sea-ice extent 17 Oct 10 - September 2010 was the third largest sea ice extent on record,

12 Aug 10 – You’ve probably seen those articles about a huge ice island breaking off a Greenland glacier. Many of those articles are trying to blame global warming. But before you buy into that, please be aware that Petermann Glacier has been advancing for years.

Arctic Ice Thickening: 2010 Ice Gain vs. 2008
27 Sep 10 - Don't let them scare those global warming bucks right out of your wallet.

Area Of Thick Arctic Ice Doubled In Last Two Years; 31 Dec 10 - It has doubled since 2008.

28 Mar 11 - The media has done a great job of covering this up, but the fact is that all seven glaciers on California’s Mount Shasta are growing.

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm
11:57 PM on 05/03/2012
iceagenow?

I looked at it. It appears to be run by a crank. All the legitimate ice experts are agreed that the ice is retreating, and measurements by GRACE clearly confirm this.

The links in iceagenow lead to other denialists sites, who are all a-tizzy about how global warming is a scheme to raise taxes.
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gywkwakwa
sick of LP bull
11:34 AM on 05/04/2012
So only the "experts" that support your agenda are legitimate right? How very conformist of you.

Well, here are the words of some of your "legitimate experts";

http://green-agenda.com/
"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore, Climate Change activist

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace
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Dallas Dunlap
09:26 AM on 05/04/2012
gwka etc. Per the GRACE satellite measurements, Antarctica is losing ice at the rate of 24 cu. miles per year.
Arctic sea ice in 2011 was at or near the 2007 record low, depending on which aspect of the ice was measured. http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/arctic-sea-ice-2011-2012/
The deal on the Mt.Shasta glaciers is that a 2-3 deg temperature rise has been accompanied by increased snowfall. http://www.springerlink.com/content/a3581383141m4126/
Roughly 90% of the earth's glaciers are losing mass. http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/impact/glaciers.shtml
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gywkwakwa
sick of LP bull
11:37 AM on 05/04/2012
Much like many subjects, you provide your data dooming us all, IO provide my data showing yours to be a hoax. You are not going to budge but neither am I. Especially in light of statements from "green' people admitting it is a scheme to make money and grab power.

http://green-agenda.com/
"I believe it is appropriate to have an 'over-representation' of the facts on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience."
- Al Gore, Climate Change activist

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace
07:33 PM on 05/03/2012
3 more feet of ice, adds how much water to the California and other unstable fault lines? This is not Rocket science, You put all the coastal cities and people in such a small space, technically speaking and it's time to swim. ( So...., lets all start from scratch, 1 + 1 = ? answer is 2, weight + water + small amount of time = someone is going swimming. Same with the Volcano under Indiana, Martinsville to be exact, a few more small quakes, a larger quake = Lava. Even scientists admitted that much, i wonder how high the dome will get here?
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
07:22 PM on 05/03/2012
I wonder when the people who make these predictions will face up to the fact that ice melt is exponential rather than linear? Enough already with their oops, it's happening faster than we thought! They are creating a false sense of security, and it will only make needed change more difficult when it comes.
07:34 PM on 05/03/2012
amen
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
08:12 PM on 05/03/2012
Not sure about it being exponential, but it is accelerating. Fanned.
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Tom Distad
not my father's GOP - no sane person's GOP
07:08 PM on 05/03/2012
It's Not as bad as it could be... Does that mean we shouldn't do anything about it? Until when??
Is this an effort to walk back on the extremism so the CONS will start to worry, instead of just making mocking noises?
Wow - just another excuse to put off mileage standards, and alternative energy policies...
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
07:41 PM on 05/06/2012
As I understand it, the stock value of oil and coal companies depends largely on the valuation of assets still in the ground. If we switch to all renewables, their stock values crash.

Should we care? The same thing happened to the makers of horse-drawn buggies when the automobile was introduced, and we did nothing to help them.
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daveat1910
04:41 PM on 05/03/2012
When the sea level get over the boardwalk the cons will think about it.
05:24 PM on 05/03/2012
They'll be to busy drafting up theft laws for the minerals that will be exposed around the Glaciers.
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Odd Man Out
absit iniuria verbis
03:52 PM on 05/04/2012
They can't wait till they get to drill in the Artic North year round, what was it they said, oh yeah "drill baby drill".
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silverwolf13
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07:33 PM on 05/06/2012
The only rational explanation I can think of for Republican denialism is that they all bought shares from this guy who sold them on midnight sun golf resorts in Antarctica and northern Greenland, and now they're trying to protect their investments.
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
07:29 PM on 05/06/2012
The boardwalk in Denver, that is.