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Bouncers Using Facebook To Check IDs At Bars

The Huffington Post  |  By Posted: 05/04/2012 1:30 pm Updated: 05/04/2012 1:30 pm

Bouncers Checking Facebook

Bouncers have long been known to check whether a person trying to enter a bar is of age in wide variety of ways. There's the "What's your address" question, the "How tall are you?" check -- along with asking girls to remove heels for accuracy purposes-- and the perhaps now dated, "What's your sign?" test.

But BBC's Newsbeat is reporting that some bouncers are now asking prospective bar goers to log in to Facebook at the door for proof of their age.

"I kind of just logged onto it [Facebook] and showed him the screen and then he didn't question it any further," said Charlotte Neal, 20, who told BBC Newsbeat that at first, she thought nothing of it.

"Then I thought, 'Hang on, is this really how you're supposed to check how old I am?' But I was out and I wanted to get in the club so I just agreed," Neal told BBC Newsbeat.

A representative of the civil liberties group Big Brother Watch told the news outlet that the practice was a clear violation of people's right to privacy.

Nevertheless, some bouncers defended the move.

"Why is it so wrong for people to have to prove the ID is actually them? If you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't have a problem," a doorman from Worthing told the BBC.

But the folks over at Above the Law have already come up with several reasons why this trend won't -- and shouldn't -- last, not the least of which being that the method is pretty easy for underage people to get around.

"You could hide your phone and say you didn’t bring it," Christopher Danzig wrote on Above the Law. "Perhaps more unsettling, though, is the unavoidably arbitrary enforcement of such a policy. If a bouncer sees an ID he doesn’t believe is real, could he refuse to admit a person into the bar because he or she doesn’t have a smartphone...or simply refuses to allow the bouncer to take the phone? Plus, ethically dubious doormen could use this as an excuse to instantly Facebook-stalk girls they think are cute."

In recent years, advances in technology have made it so fake IDs are increasingly difficult to detect. They don't just look exactly like real ones, or have good holograms these days, some actually pass scanner tests, according to ABC News.

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Bouncers have long been known to check whether a person trying to enter a bar is of age in wide variety of ways. There's the "What's your address" question, the "How tall are you?" check -- along with...
Bouncers have long been known to check whether a person trying to enter a bar is of age in wide variety of ways. There's the "What's your address" question, the "How tall are you?" check -- along with...
 
 
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MTY INDACHI
02:16 PM on 05/06/2012
There's a pretty simple solution to all of this. Refuse to go into any establishment that needs mindless idiots (bouncers) to keep their patrons safe.
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Jack Davies
THEY OWN BOTH SIDES!
07:52 PM on 05/05/2012
My 12 year old has a FB account. Can he drink now then?
10:02 AM on 05/05/2012
And BTW, we'll be logging all the username and password information for future use...
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odra
My micro-bio is empty
04:17 PM on 05/04/2012
Yeah because creating a fake Facebook page is not possible.
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jasonedward
All ways are my ways.
08:16 PM on 05/04/2012
I know, right?!?! The only think logging into FB proves is that you know how to make your age appear to be over 13y/o.

Also, this really bothers me:
"Why is it so wrong for people to have to prove the ID is actually them? If you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't have a problem,"

It pretty much sums up EVERY argument of "well, if you don't have anything to hide, then you shouldn't have a problem with your civil rights being infringed upon".

Seriously, for the same reason I'd tell an employer that they cannot have my FB login info is the same reason I'd tell a bouncer. "It's none of your ____, ____, ____ business!"

ID's have plenty of security features built into them. Bouncers need to spend a little more time understanding how these features work. I've known a lady bouncer for years. Fake id's don't make it past her. If they do... then they're VERY good.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
J0E1
Don't blame me, I'm not a republicrat.
03:33 PM on 05/04/2012
"Perhaps more unsettling, though, is the unavoidably arbitrary enforcement of such a policy.  If a bouncer sees an ID he doesn’t believe is real, could he refuse to admit a person into the bar because he or she doesn’t have a smartphone...or simply refuses to allow the bouncer to take the phone?

How is this "unsettling"?  If he refuses to admit a person because they don't have a smart phone, then they are exactly where they would have been before smart phones.  Not in the bar.
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Claw2122
not everyone can be me
09:15 PM on 05/06/2012
So you think a good way to discriminate is to allow only people with smartphones into an establishment? I'm 25 yet I don't have a cell phone so why should I not be able to enter a bar based on that criteria alone? If they have to bow to facebook to figure out whether an ID is real then obviously logic disappeared along the way somewhere.
02:46 PM on 05/04/2012
This seems quite reasonable. I have a petition to use Facebook to vote in the presidential elections. Imagine being able to vote while in traffic, or even in a club at night? It would really democratize the voting process and allow many more people to vote. Why click in a voting booth when you could click Facebook in a bar? :http://www.facebook.com/dialog/feed?app_id=48409868550&link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.change.org%2Fpetitions%2Fus-government-i-want-to-vote-in-elections-using-my-facebook-account%3Fshare_id%3DahAvWGlCSope%3Dd3e&picture=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.change.org%2Fchange%2Fimg%2Fplaceholders%2Fdefault-action-xlarge.png&name=US+Government%3A+I+want+to+vote+in+elections+using+my+Facebook+account.+-+Sign+the+Petition!&caption={*actor*}+just+signed+this+petition+on+Change.org.&description=96+signatures+are+still+needed!&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.change.org%2Fpetitions%2Fus-government-i-want-to-vote-in-elections-using-my-facebook-account
09:53 PM on 05/04/2012
With the amount of fake FB accounts there are out there? I don't think so. The government could create their own in a heartbeat. They already have all of your data anyway.
10:03 AM on 05/05/2012
Can you imagine a "bar" or "car" being able to vote?