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Methodists Maintain Homosexual Acts Are 'Incompatible With Christian Teaching' At General Conference

Posted: 05/04/2012 7:26 am Updated: 05/04/2012 7:26 am

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By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service

(RNS) Despite emotional protests and fierce lobbying from gay rights groups, United Methodists voted on Thursday (May 2) to maintain their denomination's stance that homosexuals acts are "incompatible with Christian teaching."

Two "agree to disagree" proposals were soundly defeated during separate votes by the nearly 1,000 delegates gathered for the United Methodist Church's General Conference in Tampa, Fla.

One proposal would have replaced the "incompatible" phrase in the Book of Discipline, which contains the denomination's laws and doctrines. Both proposals sought to soften the disputed doctrine by adding more ambiguous statements about homosexuality.

Gay rights advocates in the UMC viewed the compromise proposals as the best chance to advance their cause at this year's General Conference, which convenes every four years. On Friday, delegates are expected to debate the church's bans on noncelibate gay clergy and same-sex marriage.

With nearly 8 million members in the U.S., the UMC remains the country's largest mainline Protestant denomination. But United Methodism is shrinking in the U.S. and growing in Africa and Asia, shifting the balance of power to overseas conservatives. Nearly 40 percent of the delegates gathered in Tampa live outside the U.S.

Thursday's debate put the denomination's wide diversity on display -- as gays and lesbians pleaded for recognition of their "sacred worth" and an African delegate, speaking through an interpreter, compared homosexuality to bestiality.

The proposals defeated on Thursday would have acknowledged that diversity, but, some conservatives argued, at the cost of muddying traditional doctrines.

One proposal would have changed the Book of Discipline to say that gays and lesbians are "people of sacred worth" and that church members differ about "whether homosexual practices (are) contrary to the will of God."

The Rev. Adam Hamilton, a pastor in Leawood, Kansas, argued the proposal would "acknowledge our disagreement on a huge issue that is separating churches in North America today."

That proposal was defeated by a tally of 54 -- 46 percent.

"I see no reason why we should state (in the Book of Discipline) that we disagree," said the Rev. Maxie Dunnam, former president of Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, Ky. "We disagree on almost every issue we consider."

The delegates defeated another compromise proposal by an even wider margin: 61 to 39 percent. The resolution would have acknowledged a "limited understanding" of human sexuality and called on the church to "refrain from judgment regarding homosexual persons and practices until the Spirit leads us to new insight."

The Rev. Steve Wendy of Texas argued that the compromise would cause confusion and lead the church to "stumble in our witness."

"If you look at our largest congregations, and crunch the numbers, they are all reaching young adults successfully," Wendy said. "And, overwhelmingly, they teach and proclaim God's truth without compromise."

But Jennifer Ihlo, a lay delegate from the Baltimore/Washington Conference, argued in favor of the compromise. "I want to be clear that this is not an abstract issue. This is about people who are being harmed by the church and by the use of the 'incompatibility' language," Ihlo said.

"I am a lesbian and a child of God and I strongly urge the body to support this compromise language so that gay youth ... will recognize that the church loves them and God loves them and the violence and pain and suicide will stop."

After the proposals were defeated on Thursday, gay rights activists flooded the assembly floor and disrupted the session by singing the hymn "What Does the Lord Require of You?"

Indiana Bishop Michael Coyner, chair of the morning session, told the protesters, "I think you're actually hurting your point." When the protesters refused to stop singing, Coyner closed the session, sent the delegates to an early lunch and threatened to bar protesters from the convention hall in the afternoon.

Church leaders and the protesters later worked out a compromise, according to United Methodist News Service. On Thursday afternoon, the delegates shifted their attention to clergy pension plans, leaving key votes on gay clergy and same-sex marriage to Friday, the last day of General Conference.

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06:45 PM on 02/02/2013
Please someone help me understand........If a group of people do not want to go along with another group of people, why would the first group of people want the second group to change their ways to the first?? Why wouldnt the first group "seperate" themselves from the first, start up their own independent group with no involvement with the first (even if they have similar goals).
I am sorry I do not understand why the Gay Rights folks in the Methodist (or anyother denomination/religion) just dont walk away (or "Brush the dust off their feet") and startup or merge with another like minded denomination/religion rather than fighting against it. If enough come around to the first groups thinking then so be it. Why the fight for Methodist or any other denomination support???? I am asking for an honest answer to an honest question.. thanks pam
02:44 PM on 02/24/2013
Critical thiniking is required here. Good luck finding an answer in our whiny society.
02:53 AM on 07/15/2012
Oh... I'm so disappointed about this. What a g**damn shame.
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06:57 PM on 07/14/2012
I have been pushed to one set of questions/thoughts for which not one person (straight or not) can respond both rationally and with more information than that which supports their perception(s). This, alone, suggests the limited spectrum of thought most individuals, both for and against an aspect of the struggle, put in to what they believe, think, feel and what comes out of their mouths. Before anything else, there are many individuals who give their lives for causes of this nature, including the fight to inhibit behavior. However, this does not mean they have done anything for the cause, or that the cause has helped them to broaden their thought pattern(s) beyond that which they started with.

In relation to religion. For those who are putting so much into "fighting for rights of those who are LGBT". The freedom of religion does not stop when you do not like the belief system. There is a big difference between choosing to kill people and choosing not to socialize with a people since they behave in a fashion you do not approve of. For those who think that members of the LGBT community should not be members of their church. Do you not think, if God declared this behavior to be impure/sinful, that a church would be the place for them to be "led into the light"?

Both groups of people appear to be fighting without a direction, only to say they have won the battle (not the war).
04:34 PM on 05/26/2012
I've read through a dozen or so pages of Comments, saw a lot of quotations from The Bible, but not my favorite one, the one I live by, from the Apostle Paul:

"Love -- and then do what you will."
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Thomas Minot
06:18 AM on 05/14/2012
Being Gay is a dysfunction rather than a malfunction; it IS functioning, not for the purpose it was intended, but functioning none the less. At the same time how many really do use this sort of thing the way it really was meant to be done, a few I suppose but I suspect not very many.
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QueenoftheSilverDollar
Compassion is the root of morality.
06:51 PM on 05/14/2012
Last time I checked, human beings aren't slaves to their reproductive organs.
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Thomas Minot
07:34 PM on 05/14/2012
I'm a slave to Key Lime pie.
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Darr Sandberg
"What is essential is invisible to the eye" Sain
02:06 AM on 05/16/2012
Homosexuality is not a dysfunction or a malfunction.

Prejudice is both.
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tluns810
11:08 PM on 05/13/2012
Homosexuality incompatable with Christian teachings Duh ! What genius figured this one out?
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QueenoftheSilverDollar
Compassion is the root of morality.
06:55 PM on 05/14/2012
Prohibiting slavery is incompatible with the New Testament: Slaves, obey your masters.

Yet, most Christians would agree that enslaving other human beings is immoral.
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Darr Sandberg
"What is essential is invisible to the eye" Sain
02:06 AM on 05/16/2012
No, it is not. Nothing Jesus taught condemns or forbids homosexuality. However, prejudice, of kind, and injustice and inequality, of any kind are incompatible with Christ's teachings.
10:31 PM on 05/13/2012
So, "Homosexual Acts Are Incompatible With Christian Teaching."
Well, since homosexuality is a natural thing, is sounds like we have one more good reason to abandon christian teaching.

Homosexuality occurs naturally in hundreds of different animal species (including humans), but homophobia only occurs in one species - the one with religious beliefs.
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tluns810
11:11 PM on 05/13/2012
There you go with those myths again,not to mention the same tired old talking points.
05:37 PM on 01/15/2013
They aren't myths. You're just a bigot.
06:36 PM on 05/13/2012
I'm not even a Christian but the methodists make me proud. Do not sell out for political correctness.
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QueenoftheSilverDollar
Compassion is the root of morality.
06:56 PM on 05/14/2012
Amazing that people think being opposed to bigotry is merely being politically correct.
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tploomis
I am a human bean.
06:28 PM on 05/13/2012
If "Homosexual Acts Are Incompatible With Christian Teaching," maybe that means something is wrong with Christian teaching.
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sweetlilthing
hurt no one but tell the truth
04:05 PM on 05/13/2012
If you feel the homosexual acts go against your religious beliefs by all means don't do them. But please don't think that your religious beliefs are to be followed or agreed with by all. It's un America to force a "Christian" religious belief on the entire country. In fact, not all Christians are against Gay civil rights. Christians can not determine what marriage is. Marriage has been around long before Christanity was created.
01:48 AM on 05/14/2012
I am pretty sure this article is about the UM church. Therefore your post is pointless. Moving on.
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sweetlilthing
hurt no one but tell the truth
04:11 AM on 05/17/2012
"Methodists Maintain Homoesxual Acts Are "Incompatatible With Christian Teaching " At General Conference" I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Stick around and read.
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marsh pj
Two wrongs don't make a right - but three do.
01:21 PM on 05/13/2012
"Christian Teaching" is incompatible with establishing an honest, self-reliant world. One which encourages compassion and love for others, along with open, guilt-free respect for the truth. This is the only life we get. This is our only chance to give meaning to our lives. We are on our own and need to stop whispering childishly to non-existant gods.
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blaze
Nice day for somethin'
10:39 AM on 05/13/2012
So is usury, but the economy of our "Christian Nation" was laid low by usury and I don't see many Christians pointing that out.
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NoPartyRule12
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsist
10:32 AM on 05/13/2012
What is incompatible is Christian/Catholic idolatry against the diversity of humanity.
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TexasTreader
Fluffy, the yard dog
11:40 AM on 05/13/2012
So, you're saying that "diversity" is your god and that gay rights is a religious war.
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NoPartyRule12
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsist
01:31 PM on 05/13/2012
Is that what I am saying? Or, is that what you are saying? Everything seems to be in the format of a war these days. Apparently, intelligent discussion eludes some.Now, if you would like to respond with something worthwhile, I am happy to debate.
08:25 AM on 05/13/2012
This is an easy debate if one were to obey what the Bible says. Homosexuality is a sin and the Bible clearly states that everyone must repent of their sins, accept Jesus into their hearts as Savior and Lord, then be baptized, in order to reach heaven.

The Bible is not a gospel of acceptance of sin, it is a gospel of repentance of sin. The biggest problem with the Christian community is delivering the gospel in the proper way to reach out to the folks living in sin. Many folks in sin have a hardened heart as a result of the bashing and judgmentality they have received by the Christian community.

This has been the number one problem in the church today and has been going on for years. Christians are to preach the gospel of repentance and it is not our job to bash or judge anyone outside of the church. 1 Cor 5: v12 and James 4: v12 says it all. Christians are to judge those inside the church and God judges those outside.

We are supposed to preach the gospel and if someone doesn't listen, wipe the dust off your feet and move on to another. Always leave the one who doesn't listen in Christ's love. Plant the seed and someone will come and water it. This is how the gospel is supposed to be preached. Unfortunately, that has not been the case and why our world has a hardening of hearts for Christianity today.
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Claude Hosch
A single bracelet does not jingle
05:45 PM on 05/13/2012
I whole heartedly agree.
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Darr Sandberg
"What is essential is invisible to the eye" Sain
02:08 AM on 05/16/2012
"Homosexuality is a sin"

No, it is not. But since you clearly do not obey what the Bible says about discerning false teaching - your entire premise is a waste of electrons.
03:35 PM on 05/16/2012
The Bible clearly states that adultery, prostitution and homosexuality are sins of the flesh.
Did you also know that some of the very first Christians WERE homosexuals??? But, Jesus set them free.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
06:49 AM on 05/13/2012
********........homosexuals acts are "incompatible with Christian teaching."**********

As a gay man, when I actually THINK about that, I realize it is precisely correct......because "christian teaching" has been against homosexuality for ...well....ever. And it has been wrong, all that time.
Now, as with misogyny, slavery, mixed race marriage, stoning adulterers, and not eating shrimp, it is time to undo that wrong.......long past time actually.