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Age Discrimination's Impact Disputed In Congressional Hearing On Unemployment

Posted: Updated: 05/15/2012 4:44 pm

Age Discrimination
In this April 24, 2012, photo shows job seekers waiting in line during a job fair, In Portland, Ore

WASHINGTON -- Philadelphia resident Sheila Whitelaw lost her job as a manager at a clothing store when the store closed in 2010. She suspects she hasn't found steady work since because she's too old.

"At 71 years of age, I didn't know how long it might take to find a job; the economy was in bad shape with millions of people out of work," Whitelaw, now 73, said Tuesday. "I started sending out my resume to hundreds of jobs. I have had about 15 interviews, but I rarely even receive a response afterward. It then occurred to me that a potential employee could look me up on the internet, and lo and behold, there was my age, clearly printed for all to see! I sensed my inability to find work had something to do with age, but I couldn't prove it."

Whitelaw spoke as a witness during a hearing of the Senate Committee on Aging, chaired by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.), examining the predicament facing older workers who've lost their jobs during the economic malaise of the last few years. Older workers are less likely to become unemployed than younger workers, but they're much more likely to remain unemployed for a long period of time once they lose their jobs.

In a Tuesday report that coincided with the hearing, the Government Accountability Office, an investigational arm of Congress, reported that older jobseekers and economic experts alike have identified age discrimination as an obstacle to getting older folks back to work. Long-term joblessness among older workers means deferred medical care, foreclosure, loss of retirement savings and loss of self-worth.

But Diana Furchtgott-Roth, a senior fellow with the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank, disputed suggestions from the GAO and others that age discrimination is a big problem. She said she opposed new government efforts to help older workers.

"While I agree with the factual findings that older workers face serious difficulties in today's underperforming labor market, I disagree with the report's implication that the problems facing older workers require targeted policies that treat older workers differently than other workers," Furchtgott-Roth said. "Such policies would needlessly set one generation against another. They rest on the false premise that the problems facing older workers are the result of discrimination, or other factors that work specifically against older workers and in favor of younger workers."

Furchtgott-Roth noted that while the unemployment rate for workers older than 55 is higher than it used to be at 6.3 percent, it's lower than the national average of 8.1 percent. And the labor force participation rate for baby boomers has steadily risen since the 1990s as it has declined overall.

Workers and their advocates generally concede that in most cases, it's impossible to prove age discrimination. Whitelaw and many others are nevertheless certain they know what's going on. Whitelaw said she had an epiphany after being passed over in a recent job application.

"I had gone on an interview at Bloomingdales for a British clothing company that was opening a boutique inside Bloomingdales," Whitelaw said. "While I was being interviewed, the potential employer took a call from another person looking for work, he made arrangements to interview her the next day (I could hear the conversation as I was sitting across the desk) and he even mentioned her name! I was not hired. A couple of weeks later my friend and I took a little trip to Bloomingdales to see if indeed this person was hired. And of course she was, and we estimated she was in her mid-20's."

The Committee on Aging also heard testimony from Joseph Carbone, president of a Connecticut company implementing a state initiative trying to reconnect the long-term jobless to jobs, and Christine Owens, director of the National Employment Law Project, which has advocated for legislation targeting age discrimination and discrimination against the unemployed.

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WASHINGTON -- Philadelphia resident Sheila Whitelaw lost her job as a manager at a clothing store when the store closed in 2010. She suspects she hasn't found steady work since because she's too old. ...
WASHINGTON -- Philadelphia resident Sheila Whitelaw lost her job as a manager at a clothing store when the store closed in 2010. She suspects she hasn't found steady work since because she's too old. ...
 
 
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SonicUltimate 05:40 PM on 05/15/2012
I'm sure there are some cases of actual age discrimination out there, and they are hard to prove.  However, The current problem facing those older workers who lost their jobs is not that they are being overtly discriminated against.  

The problem is more experienced (i.e. older) workers are competing for fewer jobs at their level of experience, and are competing with an  Read More...
06:49 PM on 07/05/2012
I want to thank everyone who shared their age discrimination story. I am victim too, but reading these stories helped me become more aware than it is just not me; it employers who discriminate against us. These stories also helped me because I now appreciate that my situation could be worse. To all of you, may God bless you.
08:43 AM on 05/24/2012
HI,
Yes age discrimination is going strong!!!! My job was eliminated last November, and I have not been able to find work since that time. I am 63 years old, I worked for a large international retail company in their call center as a supervisor. My concern is that companies will not even talk with you in person, you have to do everything online, which is fine. I am computer savvy, BUT they now ask for your social security number, driver license number, dates you graduated from school / college where they can get your age. I thought this was against the law.

Age discrimination is as prevalent as ever!

The government needs to do something about it if they expect us to work so long and not provide REASONABLE health care cost to us, and most of us DO have to work for not only health insurance, but also the income.

Baby Boomers need to unite, be vocal, use the power of your voice and your vote to force the issue similar to the way the Gray Panthers did back in the day. But, I can tell you I have emailed them, and they do not even respond to your emails. They too must just want a donation, and for you to shop from their store on their web site.
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12:09 PM on 05/18/2012
"Government Accountability Office, an investigational arm of Congress, reported that older jobseekers and economic experts alike have identified age discrimination as an obstacle to getting older folks back to work." We needed "experts" to impart this groundbreaking, earth-shattering information? Wait, not just experts but an investigational arm of Congress! Like that didn't give you just about all the facts you needed. I feel better, I really do.
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bmitche
03:40 PM on 05/17/2012
As it has always been, people will pretty much hire the person they want to hire. They will say they don't discriminate, but they will find ways around it, and I'm not addressing only age discrimination.
01:49 PM on 05/17/2012
Discrimination is real against the aging! After I lost my job because my employer went bankrupt, I had to hit the interview trail. I was told point blank by an interviewer that she would love to hire me but because I am in my 60's she can't because their health insurance company told them they could expect much higher rates if they hired anyone over 50! I told her what she said was against the law but she said she was trying to help me understand how things work and there were no witnesses to confirm she said anything. Also they have workers that are aging in place so they have workers over 50 (to prove they didn't discriminate) which was why they couldn't hire anymore or it would bump their average age and raise their premiums on insurance. This is something she said insurance companies would vehemently deny and say it couldn't happen but they pressure their clients with such veiled threats just the same. She suggested I try a smaller company that wasn't required because of their size to provide health insurance; the reason she was even discussing this with me was that she was trying to help me understand what I could do, trying to help in her own way.
01:37 PM on 05/17/2012
I will like to hear what Diana with 2 last names has to say when she's over 60 or 70 and tries to find a job,if she gets fired or laid off, or the company she works for goes belly up. It's easy to pontificate when your not the one affected by the job loss at an older age, but let's hear from you when your rear end is on the line.
08:00 PM on 05/17/2012
lol, I couldn't agree more! Or how 'bout this jem of a quote from Diana "Forgotten-Rot":
"I agree with factual findings" (that age discrimination exists) & goes on to say "its a false premise" that older workers are facing discrimination; all this from someone who works at a "think tank" ;)
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MiddleMolly
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09:45 PM on 05/17/2012
I felt my blood pressure rise when I read her comments. A con ser vative. We have to remember that there is a difference between cons/Repubs and most of the rest of us.

Did this woman show any empathy at all for the plight of older people who have lost their jobs and can't find anything? Only a blithe ring id i ot doesn't realize that there is incredible discrimination, conscious or not, against people who are older.
01:26 PM on 05/17/2012
The numbers on the unemployment rate for older workers are deceptive. As this article states, "unemployment [for older workers] is higher than it used to be at 6.3 percent, it's lower than the national average of 8.1 percent." But that's not because older workers are being hired; it's because older workers see what's going on and when their employment runs out (usually in 26 weeks), just give up and if they can, take early retirement in order to live on. In California, the maximum allowable unemployment benefit is $450 per week, not much to live on, but when that runs out, workers of retirement age seldom have a choice.

When you have years of experience or have worked for one company for 20+ years, head hunters will routinely ask that you not include more than 10 years of experience, dye your hair if you're going gray, wear a younger wardrobe (as if the unemployment can afford that!) and generally attempt to appear at least 10 years younger than you are. And, of course, if you are 60, appearing 10 years younger doesn't help much! Even a 40 year old couldn't be hired at Abacrombies!

In a tight job market, employers are deluged with applicants and don't have to justify their hiring decisions. This makes discrimination, on any basis (age, gender, racial, religious, physical ability), easy to do and hard to determine.
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CncrndCtzns
01:22 PM on 05/17/2012
What would you expect from a Republican-backed conservative "Think-Tank." Age discrimmination is most certainly alive and flourishing in the job marletplace. It affects not only out of work seniors, it affects still-employed seniors who are viewed as liabilities because of health-care and other benefit costs.
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ohiopositive
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12:44 PM on 05/17/2012
where are the millions of jobs watiing to be filled, that the government touts all the time.
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Maxster55
12:39 PM on 05/17/2012
Age discrimination truly exists and is almost impossible to prove. You see it in the expressions and attitudes of the interviewer as soon as you enter the room. You are later advised that a more qualified person was selected, even though you were applying for a position far below your abilities and experience. NO! They did not hire a "more qualified" individual. Your qualifications were way more than the position called for.Your age did not fit their perception of the profile of the position.
10:34 PM on 07/02/2012
Well put!
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ohiopositive
I flunked micro-bio
12:36 PM on 05/17/2012
Absolutely some companies have taken advantage of the poor economy to get rid of older employees who draw larger salaries and in some cases are much better qualified than the managers who might hire them. As far as hiring them; employers with their robo screening processes miss out on many good people who have both a good work ethic and many years of productivity left in them.
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busymissnanci
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12:20 PM on 05/17/2012
I don't know Ms Roth, but I DO know that SHE's mistaken. There are no "false premises" regarding age discriminiation. Companies love to proclaim that they hire the elderly and the handicapped, but they DON'T

I've been the executive director of many things, and spent my last working years as a paralegal. In the last 3 years, I've sent out hundreds of resumes with reference to work for which I was emminently qualified. Add the fact that I don't need their medical benefits, and one would think that I'd be a prime candidate.

It's impossible to get an interview. The depth of experience on the resume is a dead give-away as to age. I've often said that I didn't get stupid, I just got old. Hiring Managers are incredibly YOUNG, and they aren't comfortable with old folks. I've been told that I'm too old - over qualified (don't you love that one!!!)- would take their job in 6 months, etc., etc.

The crash hit - In 6 months, I buried my mom, dad and best friend, lost my job, lost my home, went through a bankruptcy, and had a major heart attack. I cannot IMAGINE why anyone would think that an elderly, unemployed /underemployed elderly person is depressed and/or lacking in self esteem.

I ended up taking a job which pays 1/4 of what I had earned, and survival is not a certainty. Things are NOT getting better
12:08 PM on 05/17/2012
Age discrimination is alive and well. Younger hiring authorities do not want to hire older workers, that is people over 50, let alone your 60s! I was in my early 60s when I was laid off because of a major business downturn in 2009. The economy worsened, but there were jobs available in my area of discipline. I joined a leading job hunt organization and was able to gain many interviews. The interviews would start out with a phone discussion that would always go well. In fact, there was usually a certain level of excitement because of my background and experience. Then I would show up for a face to face interview and it was always the same. The interviewer would present an expression of regret without even a word being exchanged. You could tell right off that they were thinking "I don't want to hire my father!". Interviews would go well and we would talk about a second interview. Well, that would never happen! I have several friends in my age group who have experienced the same thing. Ms Furchtgott-Roth may be brilliant, but she obviously doesn't know anything about the real world. She should open her mind and listen to those who know; those who live outside a think tank. This is a major problem, and even though laws exist that prohibit age discrimination, the laws are impossible to enforce because there is no way to prove anything. In reality, there is a generational divide.
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COREYDIXON1125
Lifes A Garden, Dig It!!!
12:02 PM on 05/17/2012
I bet Wal*Mart is hiring door greaters! Someone needs to tell her!
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Maxster55
12:27 PM on 05/17/2012
Duh!! Wal-Mart discontinued door greeters, you obviously are quite knowledgeabel and up to date.
12:00 PM on 05/17/2012
Seeing she is connected to the right wing in this country I think she would be more sensitive to the age discrimination problem. Most of the right wingers are old white men.
Then on the other had she has had mostly politically connected jobs, so as long as she provides her womanly duties the old white boys club will keep her around...until she gets too old an unattractive to satisfy their needs.