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More Than Half Of Jobless Seniors Face Long-Term Unemployment

Reuters  |  Posted: Updated: 05/16/2012 12:44 am


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* 55 pct of jobless seniors face long-term unemployment -GAO

* Workers with employer retirement plans to lose more income

* Lawmakers to hold hearing later on Tuesday

By Susan Heavey

WASHINGTON, May 15 (Reuters) - Jean Coyle, 67, has a new kind of ministry.

The former professor had just begun a career as a Presbyterian minister in Virginia when the economic downturn forced her church to let her go in 2007. After that, she found only temporary work.

She relied on savings while job hunting, but at 64, had to dip into her Social Security benefits. She officially retired in 2010. For spending money, she plans to start teaching a water aerobics class to earn $40 a week.

"I'm not going to get wealthy on that," she said. "It's not really the ministry I expected to have."

Coyle is among the many unemployed, older Americans who, while struggling to reenter the workforce, have growing worries that their retirement security is at risk.

The number of long-term unemployed workers aged 55 and older has more than doubled since the recession began in late 2007, and getting back to work is increasingly difficult, according to a government report being released on Tuesday.

For unemployed seniors, the chances of reentering the workforce are grim.

Experts worry that unemployed seniors face a long-term threat as the impact of lost wages compounds.

In what should be their prime earning years, these older workers rely on savings, miss out on potential wages and prematurely tap into Social Security - all at a time when Americans live longer and health care and other living costs are rising.

About 55 percent of jobless seniors, or 1.1 million, have been unemployed for more than six months, up from 23 percent, or less than 200,000, four years earlier, according to a copy of the Government Accountability Office report obtained by Reuters.

The GAO, a non-partisan investigative arm of Congress, also found that years of lost work significantly reduced retirement income, particularly for those with defined contribution retirement plans.

Overall, older workers fare better than their younger counterparts, with a lower unemployment rate a nd l ess risk of losing jobs, the GAO found, even as it highlighted the struggles of jobless seniors.

"Long-term unemployment has particularly serious implications for older Americans," the GAO said in its report to the Senate Special Committee on Aging.

Those seniors who continue looking for work amid a tepid economic recovery confront competition from younger, cheaper workers. They also must keep pace with ever-changing technology.

Sen. Herb Kohl, chairman of the Special Committee on Aging who is to lead a hearing on the issue on Tuesday, is investigating ways to counter age discrimination and boost seniors' job prospects.

"These are the people we should be most worried about," he said. "With the aging of the baby-boom generation, the fact is that older workers will continue to make up a much larger share of our country's labor force."

LOST WAGES, LESS SAVINGS

A flurry of recent reports have raised fresh concerns about the ability of some older Americans to support themselves in retirement.

More seniors with jobs expect to work longer, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, and just 14 percent say they believe they can retire comfortably.

The GAO assessed the impact of job loss and forced early retirement on older workers' income. It showed a significant impact on income in later years.

It found those who had been part of a 401(k) or other similar employer-sponsored defined contribution pension plan stood to lose more of their expected retirement income than those who had defined benefit pension plans or relied solely on Social Security, the nation's benefit program for retirees.

For example: an individual with a defined contribution plan who stops working at age 55 instead of age 62 would see a 39 percent drop in median-level retirement income, from $817 per month to $500 per month, according to the GAO, which did not take other retirement income sources into account.

At the same time, a similar worker would see a 13 percent drop in median Social Security retirement benefits from $1,467 to $1,273 a month.

The impact on workers with employer plans is greater because they can generally save more for retirement and typically have higher wages that also result in higher Social Security benefits, GAO said.

"These workers also have the most retirement income to lose by becoming unemployed," it said.

A worker relying only on Social Security may see $30 to $60 less each month but face harsh consequences, GAO researchers said, because they have less savings to provide a cushion and may be laid off before they can claim the government benefit at age 62.


ONLINE STRUGGLES

Laid-off workers and other experts gave many reasons that employers appeared reluctant to hire seniors.

Refusing to hire someone because of age is illegal, but GAO experts found potential discrimination still lingers.

Often employers assume that older workers used to earning more money or having a higher-level job would not stay long in an inferior position, according to the GAO's interviews. Higher health care costs are also an issue.

The GAO, which talked to seniors in Maryland, Virginia, California and Missouri, also chronicled the toll of long-term unemployment. Self-esteem took a beating, and it became increasingly hard to sustain job searches, they said. Some fretted not just about their own bills but about the obligations of college-age or unemployed children.

At the AARP, the lobbying group for 36 million older Americans, legislative policy director David Certner said certain older worker groups - such as women and minorities - are particularly at risk of poverty given "this really incredible perfect storm" with low savings rates, shrinking pensions, lower home values and longer lives.

It is unclear what action Congress will take, particularly in an election year ripe with political gridlock.

Some lawmakers want to strengthen discrimination laws while others want legislation to prevent employers from screening out unemployed workers.

Coyle, who starts her part-time job next month, understands how a younger minister might have a better chance landing a full-time job. But she remains hopeful that she will find a place to preach again.

"I used to tell my gerontology students if you know your date of death you could plan very well," she said, "but I really want to be useful. It's not just a money issue." (Editing by Leslie Adler)

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10:50 PM on 05/25/2012
Contrary to what many believe, the most intelligent and talented people are rarely selected for management positions. The reality is that the people chose for management tend to be not much above the middle of the pack. And since many managers receive little, if any, training in "talent acquisition", the result is that most hiring is done by people who often don't have the ability to evaluate the potentials of job applicants. Therefore, most hiring managers tend to rely on following "common knowledge": unemployed workers were less productive than workers who didn't lose their jobs; the applicant with the most experience using X, Y, and Z will make the best employee; etc.
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05:55 PM on 05/17/2012
The unintended consequences of free trade has been growing underemployment and now, too many involuntary layoffs. The major assumption of free trade, according to Keynes, is that if you throw people out of work in one direction they will easily find employment in another. If this assumption doesn't hold true then free trade is a massive failure which means we need to eliminate it, the way it exits now.
08:22 PM on 05/15/2012
In fact, there are many steps and incentives that could be initiated by the government, non-profits and companies. Haven't we all heard of "public-private partnerships", except that the term is mostly avoided when it comes to employing older workers? There are a few programs working in various states but as far as I know nothing national. My experience is that generally politicians (at least in California) want to steer clear of this issue regardless of political affiliation. Here's the deal: until the baby boomers and older get off their behinds and become politically VOCAL, the politicians have absolutely zero POLITICAL WILL TO DO ANYTHING! Take a lesson from the groups that have been successful at changing mindsets, e.g., environmentalists, tea partiers, and start building a strong political movement. There is no one else (AARP included) that is going to help us but ourselves. It's time to mobilize! Get away from the having the media show "sob stories" about poor older workers down on their luck and develop a platform for how a real jobs program can be initiated. It can be done but not through arguing amongst yourselves.
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06:16 PM on 05/15/2012
I have a shinning cv that would be an asset to any company with creative minds who can think outside of the box. I have had many interviews, and can tell the second that i walk in the door, that i will not be hired just by the look on their faces. It is so clear that i just want to turn around and walk away instead of wasting my time. I have heard it all from managers, "older people do not fit into our culture", " older people move too slow", " older people are not up to date" , on and on and on. I used to hire college students and grads but i have found it more difficult to increase their productivity because of texting and facebook. During interviews, it is not what i can do for your company, but what can your company do for me. Now, i hire older folks because they are serious, dependable, and on time. My companynis located overseas, and has been forced to close down due to the economic trends. It seems like i will never be able to move back home under these conditions of ageism. It is really sad for me to see this going on in americ and some other countries. It is a big problem, lower pay, loss of homes, less work, and more medical expenses. I am not there yet, but i am scared.
foubabou
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08:27 AM on 05/16/2012
I spent a couple of years unemployed and moved overseas to start working again. Now, at 61 I find out our company is closing within 2 years. Strong chance I'll get hired by the contractor that comes in behind the closure but one never knows.

Had this company just lasted 4 more years I was on track for a very nice retirement. Now, I'll have to find something to keep paying into the European Social Security for 2 years after the conpany closes.

I'm lucky though. I've got 2 years to plan on what to do. Given the quality of life here compared to what was in the US I'd not ever consider going back. Besides, I'm too old to have learn Spanglish.
03:41 PM on 05/16/2012
in your first sentence, you mention two key concepts that do not matter anymore in corporate America = creativity and thinking. All evidence supports that if you're not a royal screwup, a kiss up, related to the boss, or a total incompetent, you have already been laid off or shortly will be fired.
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05:52 AM on 05/17/2012
Haha so true. I have been self employeed almost all of my life, or working for others overseas. Problem is, if/ when i move back stateside, i will have to be self employeed once again, be creative and start a new life because i already know that no one will really "hire" me, not related to anyone, not a suck up, nor incompentant!
10:58 PM on 05/25/2012
This is a real problem in IT. Often, the higher-ups aren't completely up on the new technologies (and might not actually even have basic knowledge), so that people who use massive amounts of technical jargon tend to be perceived as the most intelligent even if the reason they speak in "jargonese" is because they don't understand the concepts well enough to explain things in plain English.
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05:16 PM on 05/15/2012
The situation with older Americans is somewhat of a conundrum. Yes, people who are 50 or 55+ will have a much harder time getting hired and are much more likely to be among the long-term unemployed according to BLS statistics.

But other BLS statistics show something different. Unemployment in the 55+ crowd is among the LOWEST of any age group, 5.9 to 6.3% this year. Some of that is because older people are leaving the work force, but the employment participation rate (percent of people in the age group who are employed) is the highest that it has EVER been for people 55+ since 1970, as high as 2008, higher than 2000.

The labor force participation rate for this age group (people wanting a job or working as a fraction of total people 55+) is also the highest it has ever been since 1961 (just before Medicare.)

We could assume that many people have dropped out of the labor force- but then why is the labor force participation rate and the employment participation rate so high? And why do 97% of people 55+ who are not in the labor force (not employed or actively looking) say that they "do not want a job"? This rate is also going up over the past year.

So we have very long-time unemployed people, more people working after 55 than before- AND more people not in the work force who say they do not want a job.
03:56 PM on 05/15/2012
How about reducing both LEGAL and illegal immigration until the unemployment rate drops below 5%?

It is time to end the H1B Visa's that employers use to bring in cheap labor.

Let's employ the people that are already here first.
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05:21 PM on 05/15/2012
Back in the 60's and 70's, companies desperately needed computer programmers and universities hadn't yet developed computer science programs and started churning out programmers. There weren't that many overseas either. So what did companies do? They developed in house training programs and trained hundreds of bright (mostly young) people with degrees in other areas as programmers. A whole generation of computer programmers got their start this way.

But it's now cheaper for companies to hire foreigners than to participate in training people who are already here, even if they don't have the specific skill set that is needed.
02:14 PM on 05/15/2012
To a Republican, joblessness means they shall beable to now pay these people half of what they were making before. Let them really get hungry and they will beable to pay them even less.
02:35 PM on 05/15/2012
To a democrat, joblessness means someone else can pay more taxes so they can keep getting what they always got....a handout.
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02:43 PM on 05/15/2012
The economy has been hollowed out -- all the jobs are now in Asia - -and they won't be coming back. Both parties -- owned by the 1% -- are responsible
lofttypeofaview
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03:28 PM on 05/15/2012
As if there are no Republicans collecting food stamps!
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03:36 PM on 05/15/2012
We forget that some unemployment is not considered that bad by employers because they can often get good people for less. There has been talk from many Repubs about rolling back minimum wage laws, child labor laws, etc. The Repubs have been quite successful over a period of decades with turning unions into a bogeyman.
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06:18 PM on 05/15/2012
Can you believe that? Rolling back minimm wage? Come on, the snobs...we are going backwards.
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02:08 PM on 05/15/2012
ROMNEY 2012 Get America Back To WORK !!
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Izzy66
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02:17 PM on 05/15/2012
"Corporations are People too, my friend."

uh, I don't think the CEO of Bain Capital Private Venture Capitalists will worry about that. My bet is he'll focus on limiting women's reproductive rights and insisting somehow that is more important than jobs.
02:18 PM on 05/15/2012
ROMNEY as all Republicans would hold out till his second term to do anything about unemployment. Why, because as any good Republican will tell you ....a starving man will work for half the wages and be that much more productive.
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02:08 PM on 05/15/2012
All US citizens need jobs.

Only the GREEDY private sector businesses and GREEDY corporations CREATE non-taxpayer funded JOBS for US citizens to work and to create wealth for these US corporations and US businessmen.

The first FREE TRADE AGREEMENT with a third world nation that economically required that US businesses send their US jobs overseas was NAFTA which was signed by President Clinton.

Maybe the US Congress needs to propose legislation to repeal President Clinton's NAFTA, GATT, WTO, MFN trade with China, Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, H-1b visas, and all of his other similar laws.

Maybe the US Congress needs to propose legislation to repeal George W. Bush’s 14 additional FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS (with Jordan, Morocco, and other young democracies of Central America).

Maybe the US Congress needs to propose legislation to repeal President Obama’s multiple new FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS with Vietnam, Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia, New Zealand, Australia, Chile and Peru and several other Asian and South American nations.
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02:20 PM on 05/15/2012
NAFTA was only the North American Free Trade Agreement and barely made a dent in our outsourcing for jobs.
However the poorly designed Free Trade Agreements for Singapore and East India, signed into law in 2002-03, began a rabid outsourcing exodus. By the end of 2004, the U.S. was deep into negative job growth territory. It continued all the way up until the Wall Street Crash and the last day of Bush's last term. We began this recession in the hole on jobs.
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03:48 PM on 05/15/2012
4.4 million jobs were LOST before Obama set one foot in the Oval Office. Another 2 million were lost his first three months in office, before any policies or changes had any chance to take effect. All of those private- sector jobs lost in the early days of the Obama administration have been reclaimed, and the reason that more haven't been reclaimed has been due to the Repubs war on education, states, and local governments. We've never had recovery from a recession before with so little help from the government sector in terms of jobs.
02:25 PM on 05/15/2012
What you have said is the reason why so many foreign car manufacturing plants have moved them to America. Yes, these free trade agreements do work. Just take a look at all the new manufacturing plant in the southern Republican states. You will be very surprised. And, for you to want to see these trade agreement revoked will only hurt the Republican Party.
02:31 PM on 05/15/2012
Also if I'm not mistaken a lot of these Southern states are right-to-work states, go figure.....
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02:45 PM on 05/15/2012
The South is the new China -- docile, low wage employees
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02:04 PM on 05/15/2012
American Companies who operate, hire, invest and stash money overseas should be cut off completely from any subsidies, tax cuts or other entitlements they receive from the Government. If they wish to be entertained as 'American' corporations, then they need to invest, hire and operate in America instead of just stepping up for the tax payer financed 'goodies.'
01:28 PM on 05/15/2012
Until recently, I was been unemployed for 2 years out of the last 2.5. I have landed a very well-paying part-time job with no benefits and no guarantees beyond 6 months. It pays enough for me to live on, but not enough for me to ever get back everything I have lost.

I already anticipate losing $400 per month by starting my social security benefits at age 62 instead of the normal age of 66 for my age group. Worth it for my peace of mind though - while it to isn't much, it's enough to provide a roof over my head and other basic necessities. Not a great living style, but survivable if no major illness intrudes.
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01:59 PM on 05/15/2012
I hear ya. I went thru that for the past 4 years. Savings got beaten to a pulp and any job I could get was part time minimum wage stuff. I filed for Social Security ( age 62) , sold my house just to get out of the taxes and mortgage. I downsized to a 1BR shack in the woods. I got my garage, hunting land and my social security check is just enough to get by each month. As for insurance? I don't have any. I just hope I don't get hurt or need emergency care. ( Affordable health care is a laugh).
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02:08 PM on 05/15/2012
Doesn't sound so bad, good luck !
SaveRMiddle
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02:57 PM on 05/15/2012
I think you're onto something. It's sounds overall less stressful.
foubabou
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08:49 AM on 05/16/2012
Only difference between us is I moved overseas to work a job that was to be until 65. Now, at 61 we're closing by the end of next year and I'm not sure if I'll get picked up by the new contractor.

I'm a bit better off as I've had 4+ years to recover after the unemployment and wiped out savings. The social pension here is much better than the US and we do have great, cheap healthcare.

With US Social Security, European govt pension, healthcare and a small retirement check from an old company I wouldn't return to live in the US on a bet. I do love riding the Harley around Europe looking for ruins, castles and museums.

Although Leon has the right idea. A small cabin in the woods with a nice garage/workshop sounds like a dream. (Not a hunter but like animals running around.)

Too funny......today a neighbor's 26 yo daughter said she has someone for me to meet. Said she didn't know my age and told her friend I was 45. Yeah, OK, I'm walking with a little bounce in my step now.
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01:21 PM on 05/15/2012
How bad does the US economy have to get before our leaders try something new?
Or at least get out of the way for those who do have good solutions.

We need some solution stories to offset the doom and gloom. For those who can go beyond doing the same thing over and over and getting the same bad results - there are many options that could help the country. My favorite for jobs and the economy is the grass roots idea of a National Hiring Day.

Corporations are sitting on a lot of profit - all time highs - and they are ready to hire, but scared to stand out and be the first. A National Hiring Day would help them by getting many on board.

National Hiring Day - This is a day that corporatio­­ns are encouraged to hire new employees. Corporatio­­ns are called on to put patriotism first and help their country in
hard times. Those corporatio­­ns that cannot hire, are asked to stop firing for that month.

With companies sitting on all time high profits, they can hire one person on National Hiring Day - which by the way, would help them in return.
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Izzy66
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02:02 PM on 05/15/2012
Patriotism is an anathema to Profits over People, my friend. Only if there's money involved will Corporations listen.
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Tom Hendricks
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05:39 PM on 05/15/2012
Well let them to PR against love of country - do you think that would work, while many other companies are helping out?

National Hiring Day idea gets two reactions from people - the one says all corporations will turn their back on the country and put greed ahead of patriotism. The other says corporations are there to make money, most are just getting by, and patriotism through jobs creation is not a part of that responsibility.

I think most corporations are somewhere in between - they see that supporting the country during tough times like this is not a burden but an opportunity, an opportunity to not only help those out of a job, but get the economy going and help themselves to new customers with those new jobs.
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MiddleMolly
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04:05 PM on 05/15/2012
Well, Tom, I applaud you for your commitment to National Hiring Day.

I will mention however that most measures of the economy, things are improving. There are fewer people unemployed, fewer marginal workers, fewer people working part-time who want full-time work, fewer discouraged workers, and fewer people not in the labor force who say that they DO want a job, more job openings, more people being hired, more people quitting, fewer people being laid off.

We could still use a National Hiring Day as we still do have high levels of people in these categories.. just not as high as a year or two ago.
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05:37 PM on 05/15/2012
Worth a try. There are ways to make it happen, 1. enough people want it, 2. a major figure in or out of the government supports it, and/or 3. the media starts talking about it.
Both parties say they are for jobs and say they love the country - well who can oppose a National Hiring Day that is jobs for the country.
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12:53 PM on 05/15/2012
Stop off-shoring jobs which are displacing so many "over 50's" - Since 2008, we have grown the rate of over 50's in "under-employment" and "unemployment" -- This is a travesty! We are helping global economies at the peril of our own. We have so many well trained, educated, dedicated over 50's that are now grateful to get any job (at a fraction of their previous wages and no benefits). As corporations continue to export their former careers at an alarming rate, I hope our elected officials wake up to the over 50 plight.
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01:04 PM on 05/15/2012
Congressman Gary Peters (D,MI) has introduced the Outsourcing Accountability Act of 2012

http://peters.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=22&itemid=487
Congressman Gary Peters (D-MI 9) : News Releases : U.S. Rep. Gary Peters Introduces Outsourcing Accountability Act

"Washington, D.C. - This morning, as reported by the Washington Post, U.S. Rep. Gary Peters (MI) introduced the Outsourcing Accountability Act with lead cosponsors U.S. Rep. Tim Bishop (NY) and U.S. Rep. Jerry McNerney (CA). This common sense legislation would help consumers and investors make informed choices about whether they want to spend their hard earned dollars on companies that create American jobs or companies that outsource them.

Right now when publicly traded companies file their annual SEC reports, they are required to disclose the number of employees they have. The Outsourcing Accountability Act would simply require these companies to disclose these same figures except they would need to breakdown the numbers by country and state in America.

From 2000-2009, multinational corporations cut 2.9 million U.S. jobs while adding 2.4 million overseas..."
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Izzy66
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02:08 PM on 05/15/2012
Bingo. Already a fan.
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Tom Hendricks
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01:23 PM on 05/15/2012
What do you think of the grass roots idea of a National Hiring Day?
These so called major economists are all still refusing any innovative solutions. So are both parties. Here goes. BTW if you are stubbornly fixed in your ideas and will never consider any innovative solution that in anyway is different from what you are used to and what has failed before - do not consider this.

There's only one jobs program that doesn't need government involvement at all.
There's only one jobs program that makes every corporation in the US part of the solution
There's only one jobs program that costs nothing.
There's only one jobs program that works in one day.

National Hiring Day - This is a day that corporations are encouraged to hire new employees. Corporations are called on to put patriotism first and help their country in
hard times. Those corporations that cannot hire, are asked to stop firing for that month.

By hiring one person now, a business gets thousands of potential customers with new jobs and buying power in return. Business gives a little to get a lot in return.
FBueller
Heckuva job Brownie
12:20 PM on 05/15/2012
Jamie Dimon's doing ok, lost $2B and still gets a comp package of $23M a year. He'll squek by on his meager salary and benefits.
MrStat1
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12:34 PM on 05/15/2012
The shareholders approved his salary. Unless you own stock in Chase you have nothing to legally say about it.
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01:28 PM on 05/15/2012
but, hey, that still leaves us ''ethically'' and ''morally'' !
FBueller
Heckuva job Brownie
01:32 PM on 05/15/2012
I don't care who approves it (I know its the shareholders). I'm just sayin, in his world its OK to loose $2B.....he still gets voted a $23M comp package. Must be nice.....he lives in a different world than I do.
FBueller
Heckuva job Brownie
12:18 PM on 05/15/2012
I've been there, finally employed in non-profit sector at 1/2 my former salary and glad to have work. Has anyone given consideration to lessening the work week....what if fulltime was 30 hours/wk....would this create jobs in the economy? Or would it put more burden on employers?
How about a tax-credit for hiring a long-term unemployed senior (over 50)?? How about retraining dollars to give seniors new skills, and a group of employers who'd hire them. These are people with 15-20 productive years left. Just sayin////// you know the GOP is all over this, right? Wrong./