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Ron Paul, Adam Smith Push To End Indefinite Detention Of Americans

Posted: Updated: 05/16/2012 4:34 pm

WASHINGTON -- A bipartisan group of lawmakers is trying to end the law that lets the military indefinitely detain people arrested in America on terrorism charges.

Ever since Congress passed the Authorization to Use Military Force against Al Qaeda and its allies after the 2001 attacks, the White House has asserted the authority to have the military seize suspected terrorists -- including Americans -- and detain them without trial as long as there is a war on terror.

That policy was enshrined in law with last year's National Defense Authorization Act, although President Barack Obama has issued rules barring authorities from detaining Americans.

But that is not good enough, said House lawmakers on Wednesday, vowing to push an amendment by Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) to this year's National Defense Authorization Act that would expressly require any suspected terrorist caught in the United States or its territories to be tried in civilian courts.

"Hopefully we can be successful this week in clarifying this to make sure once and for all that we as a people don't endorse the whole notion -- which contradicts everything we should believe in -- that we could be arrested and put in secret prisons," said Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), lending his national status as a libertarian leader to the effort.

"If we don't change this, believe me, this country is in serious trouble," Paul said.

The complaint of the lawmakers and other opponents of indefinite detention is not just that it tramples on the constitutional right to a trial but also that it doesn't work.

"In the last 10 years, we have successfully prosecuted -- tried and convicted -- over 400 terrorists," Smith said. "Even as we sit here today, there are over 300 terrorists in U.S. prisons."

Smith argued that the authority to detain suspected terrorists captured in the United States was only invoked three times -- including the case of Brooklyn-born dirty bomb plotter Jose Padilla -- and dropped in all three in favor of deporting one suspect and trying the others in federal court.

"This authority that the president has has not been exercised in this country since 2003," Smith said. "The president does not need this authority to keep us safe."

But he added, "Leaving it on the books is an unnecessary threat to our civil liberties."

Paul also argued that the courts work better than the military system now being used, including in the recently begun trial of admitted 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

"If he had been tried the same way the terrorists were tried in '94, he may well have received the death penalty," Paul said, referring to the convictions of the first World Trade Center bombers.

"This whole idea of trying to get around the law becomes the issue, and this is what's happening now. You deny justice," Paul said.

"The system works. We should not be so intimidated," Paul said. "Yes, we have reason to be concerned by our foreign enemies, and our attacks, but we also ought to be concerned about what we do to ourselves. The American people aren't a guilty party, yet we as a people are being penalized by this irrational use of the judicial system."

Paul and Smith were joined by Reps. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) and John Garamendi (D-Calif.), a conservative and a liberal, who predicted that like-minded members would come along.

Still, Smith was unwilling to say if he thought the measure would pass.

Supporters of the existing law argue that terrorists should be treated like enemies and that it does not matter if they are citizens or captured in the United States. Smith and his colleagues, however, argued that the Constitution grants due process rights to "any person."

Debate and voting on the defense bill are expected to be wrapped up this week. The Senate will begin a closed-door mark-up of its version of the bill next Wednesday.

Michael McAuliff covers politics and Congress for The Huffington Post. Talk to him on Facebook.

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WASHINGTON -- A bipartisan group of lawmakers is trying to end the law that lets the military indefinitely detain people arrested in America on terrorism charges. Ever since Congress passed the Aut...
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TexasMike 07:53 AM on 05/17/2012
Bipartisan has become a dirty word for republican politicians who actively campaign on how they DON'T get along with the evil "liberal" tax and spenders.(Eyes roll). Until we as a country get through this latest rightwing tea bag phase, we won't be electing any reasonable people in the republican party in the near future. This law should be toast. I doubt we'll see it gone. No doubt the wingers would want  Read More...
10:41 AM on 05/25/2012
Thank you Ron Paul

Ron Paul for President 2012
11:17 PM on 05/18/2012
Yeah. Remember when he was too busy campaigning to even vote against it? Give me a break..
09:07 PM on 05/18/2012
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Tsar Bomba
Socialism Now!
03:43 PM on 05/18/2012
Fascism in America must end. That includes all forms of conservatism including Ron Paul.
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Daniel Giottonini
Partisans are ruining this country
10:31 PM on 05/18/2012
So let me get this straight, you read a story about Ron Paul joining Democrats to criticize this ridiculous law, and all you can do is resort to partisan attacks? If you paid any attention to the Republican primaries, you would know that he spent a lot more time criticizing the other Republican candidates than he did our President. As far as I'm concerned, you're just like the rest of the brain dead sheep who insist on believing in a two party system. I hope you enjoy supporting a President who has basically continued the Bush administration's reckless foreign and domestic policies.
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Tsar Bomba
Socialism Now!
11:04 PM on 05/18/2012
Better than the nutcases that support Paul.
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AmKonDotNet
Legalize Hemp!
02:15 PM on 05/19/2012
Ron Paul has been a bigger "liberal" when it comes to foreign policy and individual liberties than Obama interestingly enough (he's been against every war we're in for many years, while Obama seems to reauthorize them every year).
02:03 PM on 05/18/2012
"I'm a democrat 'Liberal' I used to be for civil liberties when Bush was president but now that Obama is King I am against them. I used to be against monopolies and corporatism in government when Bush was president but now that Obama is King I am for them. I used to be against war and nation building when Bush was president but now that Obama is King I am for them." -average Obama supporter
10:08 PM on 05/18/2012
To be fair, Dems are flooding out of the Obama camp into the liberty/peace camp of Ron Paul, but you definitely painted a clear picture of many of the Huffpo writers who could care less how many children and troops are killed by the Bush/Obama/Romney madness.
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AmKonDotNet
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02:16 PM on 05/19/2012
That does sound pretty accurate. Some of the Obama's supporters mental gymnastics when I call them out on their stuff is quite astounding. They don't seem to realize Obama requested the protection for Americans to be indefinitely detained REMOVED, where can I get some of the kool aid?
12:02 PM on 05/18/2012
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11:10 AM on 05/18/2012
If you are for tolerance of all peoples and an open market free of government interferance than take a look at Gary Johnson http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/candidate-comparison
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10:26 AM on 05/18/2012
In these days of hate and xenophobia, this Ron Paul statement dissenting from the bigotry of the NY Mosque protestors, outclasses any contemporary politician in America today.

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/08/23/ron-paul-mosque-opposition-all-about-hate-and-islamaphobia/
04:02 AM on 05/18/2012
Cenk doesn't seem to realize that the department of education AND the income tax are bad.
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move forward or die
02:54 AM on 05/18/2012
Google Ron Paul's and read his history and famous quotes, and watch his huge halo slide down around his ankles, as his right wing extremist clamor to hold it above his head,. They may endeavor to try to sell stupid, but no one is buying it
09:23 AM on 05/18/2012
If you think RP is that bad, you must feel Obama and Romney are the roommates of Satan. Stop telling people to google RP, 95% of the stuff you'll read is biased with an agenda, but you turn a blind eye to that and follow just like a little sheep. FOX News must be your shepard...
09:40 AM on 05/18/2012
stop the paritsan BS. The only thing you should care about is the NDAA law that includes indefinite detention of American citizens without a trial. This partisan BS does not help Americans
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02:48 AM on 05/18/2012
OBAMA BORN IN KENYA - HUFFPO IGNORES!
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10:17 AM on 05/18/2012
did you say something?
01:00 AM on 05/18/2012
The is the hour to be understanding and following the constitution, it is designed to protect the republic from what is happening to it RIGHT NOW. Soon you will have no legal protections to challenge anything.

To understand Ron Paul takes time, you can't just read a few articles in mainstream media to understand the context of things. It took me nearly a year to totally understand the problem America is in - the one Ron Paul is fighting. It's heavy and complicated and most people just trash Ron Paul instead of understanding things. Like states rights.. the man supports states rights and doesn't want a draconian government to support or condemn any group and he gets labelled a woman hater and racist - wtf America? Yes I know about the newsletters and his personal thoughts on abortion - the man is NOT a racist and he is NOT a woman hater.

Americans say "he wants to be up womens vaginas" - WHAT?

He wants states to determine these laws not a federal government - so how the hell is he up vaginas?

States rights is a devils advocate thing. Lets say some dipsh*t got into office and banned birth control pills, or banned abortion - at a federal level, wouldn't you want the states to be able to challenge this. It is a safety net in your damn constitution and because you don't understand this he gets labelled a woman hater and homophobe for not condoning federal programs to
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Dave Vane
12:32 AM on 05/18/2012
Amazing! Well sad really. Ron Paul stands up for civil liberties and the Democrat minions come out full force to proclaim him a right wing extremist.

I miss the days when Democrats were infuriated when our liberties were stripped and countries bombed. (you know when Bush was president)
11:16 AM on 05/18/2012
There was a time when you could at least trust the Left to be die-hard defenders of civil liberties. I miss the old school liberals. I think they dropped their civil liberties positions well before the W adminstration, their opposition to war only being political posturing. Guys like Ron Dellums, for instance. Thanks for the post.
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02:21 PM on 05/19/2012
Some of us are still around and spit the kool aid out.
12:31 AM on 05/18/2012
End the Fed. Elect Ron Paul in 2012
12:02 AM on 05/18/2012
Lol IFANY is huffpost super clown

keep trolling kid everybody just sees an idiot spouting off.

Liberty 2012
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IFany
move forward or die
03:05 AM on 05/18/2012
Since May 2012 your brilliance has graced these pages, your brothers will undoubtedly fan you for your startling insight, and level of intelligence so on par with theirs
09:25 AM on 05/18/2012
Well, he got at least one fan for telling the truth...