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Fitch Downgrades Five Greek Banks Including National Bank Of Greece

By NICHOLAS PAPHITIS 05/18/12 05:01 PM ET AP

Fitch Downgrades Greek Banks

ATHENS, Greece — Germany's chancellor apparently waded into Greece's choppy political waters on Friday, when Athens said Angela Merkel suggested that the country should hold a referendum on the euro together with next month's national elections.

Berlin first refused to comment and then denied that Merkel had floated the idea during a phone conversation with Greek President Karolos Papoulias. The alleged proposal ruffled feathers across Greece's deeply fragmented political spectrum, with parties saying it was an unwarranted intervention in domestic affairs at a particularly sensitive time.

Merkel's comments were first referred to by Greek government spokesman Dimitris Tsiodras, who said in a statement: "(Merkel) also conveyed to the President thoughts on holding a referendum along with the elections, with the question of to what extent Greek citizens wish to remain in the eurozone."

Crisis-afflicted Greece is set to hold elections on June 17 to end a political deadlock after a previous vote on May 6 produced a hung Parliament, with the country's future in the eurozone potentially at stake.

Edgy markets and analysts fear a victory by parties opposed to austerity commitments could spur bailout creditors to stop the flow of rescue loans. Many argue that this would cause such widespread misery that Greece would ultimately have to abandon the 17-member currency union, jolting the global economy.

Tsiodras said a referendum was "obviously" out of the question, as it falls outside the jurisdiction of Greece's newly-appointed caretaker government.

But a German government spokeswoman said reports on the alleged referendum proposal "are inaccurate." She said the conversation between Merkel and Papoulias – a fluent German speaker – was confidential.

The spokeswoman, who spoke late Friday after consulting with the Chancellor's office, cannot be named in line with government policy.

Relations between the two countries have been turbulent over the two and a half years of Greece's acute financial crisis, which led to Athens being kept solvent by international rescue loans since May 2010.

Germany is a staunch advocate of the hugely unpopular austerity measures Greece adopted to secure the loans – to which Berlin is a major contributor.

Conservative leader Antonis Samaras, whose pro-bailout New Democracy party won a Pyrrhic victory in the May 6 vote, said Merkel's reported suggestion was "at the very least unfortunate."

"Greece doesn't need a referendum to prove its choice in favor of the euro, a choice that it's defending with bloody sacrifices," he said. "But the Greek people deserve the respect of their European partners."

Syriza Radical Left Coalition leader Alexis Tsipras – who led his anti-bailout party to a surprise second place in the last election – said Merkel was treating Greece "as a protectorate."

A presidential decree is expected Saturday to formally dissolve the short-lived Parliament elected on May 6 – which held its second and last session Friday – and call elections.

Until June 17, senior judge Panayiotis Pikrammenos is heading a caretaker government with no authority to make binding decisions. So in coming weeks all eyes will be on Germany and other European leaders for signs that they will prove flexible in their demands for new austerity measures next month and, more broadly, in Greece's bailout terms.

While Merkel has hinted that European economic policies could be supplemented with more growth-oriented measures, she has not signaled any willingness to significantly ease Athens' austerity plan.

Greek voters angry at the repeated income cuts and tax hikes, which locked the country in a deep recession and bumped unemployment to a record high, deserted mainstream pro-austerity parties in the May 6 vote. The electorate shifted to a bevy of parties from the Stalinist left to the quasi-Neo-Nazi right, which promised an end to the pain. At the same time, most of the austerity-bashers insist that they want to keep Greece in the euro.

The two seem irreconcilable.

Fitch ratings agency on Thursday to downgrade Greece to CCC, the lowest possible grade for a country that is not in default, warning of a "probable" Greek exit from the euro currency union if next month's poll results in an anti-bailout government. On Friday, Fitch also downgraded five Greek banks – National Bank of Greece, Eurobank, Alpha, Piraeus and Agricultural Bank of Greece to CCC.

Opinion polls suggest the election will be a closely contested affair between Syriza and the two mainstream parties – New Democracy and Socialist PASOK – that alternated in power for the past four decades and which have lost more than half their support.

JP Morgan Chase Bank analyst David Mackie raised the likelihood of a Greek euro exit from 20 percent to 50 percent if Syriza wins the elections and rejects the austerity measures outright.

Mackie said a Greek eurozone exit would see the country's gross domestic product shrink by as much as 25-30 percent.

In the streets of Athens, people expressed a mixture of apprehension over the future of the country and anger with politicians who let it come so far.

"For me, the political system needs to sit down and come to an understanding because they are killing our country, that is for sure," said Athens resident Georgia, who didn't give her last name. "If they don't do it, our country will be lost."

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Juergen Baetz in Berlin and Menelaos Hadjicostis in Athens contributed

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Willie12345
12:39 PM on 05/21/2012
Coming to the US in a short period of time. Socialism at it's very best.
10:28 AM on 05/21/2012
The one plus with the Eurozone was the amount of help we had when the mega fires started. They were amazing and saved many lives. If Greece leaves the zone we will have no one to help.
vslotfee
Far Away From Here...
03:15 PM on 05/20/2012
...storming toward one world currency...
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:43 AM on 05/20/2012
This isn't a lesson until it hits home.
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MANOFCOMMONSENSE
The #1 Republican Team? Bush/Shady.WMD?$$
10:02 AM on 05/20/2012
The Rich bleed Greece dry and left the poor to fend for themselves... Much like whats taking place in America...........................................Mitt Romney's Bank?? Swiss?? Mitt knows how to help America?? lol


Greece in flames over cuts (while fat-cats secretly shift €228billion into Swiss banks accounts)
Wealthy are moving euros through foreign subsidiaries in Cyprus
50,000 people descend on Athens as 48-hour general strike begins
Hundreds of flights and ferries cancelled as workers walk out
Greek parliament will vote on fresh austerity measures tomorrow


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050895/Greek-fat-cats-secretly-shifted-200bn-euros-Swiss-bank-accounts.html#ixzz1vQ0KAZv4
10:22 AM on 05/21/2012
with a sprinkle of goldman sachs... God help us!
09:38 AM on 05/20/2012
The Greek people made of game of not paying taxes.

Even the tax collectors did not do their jobs.

In a cash based economy there is no money to support the government.
07:27 AM on 05/20/2012
What is the difference between Greece and Califorina?

Answer: Nothing both voted and would have voted for Obama.
08:10 AM on 05/20/2012
Is there no limit to which you will go to bad-mouth Obama?
09:36 AM on 05/20/2012
The right spews hate speech and personal attacks rather than discuss issues.
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
05:54 AM on 05/20/2012
So let me get this straight. It's okay for corporations and banks who mismanage their affairs to get bailed out but not countries? Doesn't seem quite right!
07:33 AM on 05/20/2012
It's not right. Washington Mutual was allowed to be bought and was. The tax payers should not bail out companies that is why we have bankruptcy laws.

If deemed necessary have a federal guarantee loan like Chrysler did in the 70's not the government bail out at tax payers expense like GM. GM will be a big tax payers loss. We have already lost 15billion in a stock sale.
08:15 AM on 05/20/2012
You are not looking at the entire picture. The GM "bail-out" saved thousands of jobs; those workers are still paying taxes, buying goods and services, all of which serve to offset the taxpayers' investment. In the long run, that investment will turn out to be a very good one for the country.
10:28 AM on 05/20/2012
Just so your straight. Yes there is a big difference. I don't agree with all of the bailouts we did (esp some of the banks), however, that was the choice of the US since they were US corporations. The whole notion of having independent sovereignty is you have a right to conduct your affairs. Now the eurocrats have constructed a mechanism in the EU that changes that, hence Greece is beholden to lender of Germany and France.

This is not a US issue, we will feel the impact but not ours to solve. The eurozone needs to either step up or split up. I find it interesting that the new French president, a socialist, first order of business is to reiterate Greece's obligations. Getting back to the core issue, the EU is both an economic issue and a nationalistic issue. And that is not going to get better
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
03:40 PM on 05/20/2012
Typical bagger logic!
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04:21 AM on 05/20/2012
  The Western world must fix an unfair trading system that panders to nations who use exploited hundreds of millions of traditional people. Second, the investors must lose big time because wealth in the Western World has become monopolized while the average citizen has survived on borrowed monies. Third, the European Union must start a massive public works modeled after the Romans who built new roads, aqueducts, and public buildings and employed their surplus labor.
   The Americans have at least  a third of their people idled while public maintenance declines.  Our nation must create 30 million new jobs right now.
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LVNVprog
President Elizabeth Warren - 2016
02:03 AM on 05/20/2012
What would a Corporation Do? If Greece were a Corporation they would immediately Declare Bankruptcy and walk away from their obligations. Greece (an economy the size of Dallas Texas) was continually encouraged to refinence at ever higher interest rates with the Banks hoping the Euro Zone would bail them out and produce significant profits for the Banks. Well the Game is about over.
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JoeHilley
NY Times Bestselling Author
12:59 AM on 05/20/2012
And the Greeks don't care.
07:39 AM on 05/20/2012
They will when they run out of money and their currency is worth nothing. There will be more riots. Maybe Soras will buy Greece.
10:24 AM on 05/21/2012
We care :(
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
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Stanley Bonk
"mad, bad, and dangerous to know"
11:04 PM on 05/19/2012
I'll give you dollars to doughnuts that if the Greeks leave the Eurozone and the country defaults, at first everyone will tsk-tsk them. The Greeks will return to the drachma with will devalue like a shot goose. But then, tourists wil flock to Greece for cheap vacations, the local economy will start to flower, plenty of drachmas will be floating around, cheap, but plentiful. Those tourists won't come empty-handed,either. They'll be well stocked with plenty of negotiable currency. They'll spend that currency in the sorts of things that tourists spend money on all over the world, and the Greeks will start raking that cash in.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if the Greek economy started to flourish. And when that happens, the likes of Angela Merkel and the EU bankers will will have no choice but to look at all that lovely prosperity and know that they blew it with their foolish notion of austerity.
foubabou
Mean People Suck
01:19 AM on 05/20/2012
We can agree Greece needs to cut from the Euro and the EU. And tourists will come to snap up bargains, BUT I don't believe Greece's lack of cash is the problem. Money shortages are but a symptom of the real problems.

The real problem is deeply ingrained in the culture. Tax evasion, unsustainable entitlements and rampant political corruption are problems that must be dealt with before Greece becomes successful as a nation and culture again. Until the Greek population is unwilling to accept corruption simply because the govt gives them a check Greek finances will flounder.

Yes, the tourists will bring cash. How much of that cash do you believe will find its way into the govt coffers? My guess based on past performance is most or at least much will be skimmed into the pockets of businessmen and politicians. A few street hustlers will grab whatever pennies they can.

Greece has problems and they can't be fixed overnight with some short term action focused on the symptoms. Greece will either have to abide by austerity imposed by the EU or austerity imposed upon themselves. Either way it's gonna hurt for quite a while. Changes in culture, in the thoughts and beliefs of the people take time.
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Danlar
it's fun to have fun but you have to know how
10:03 PM on 05/19/2012
Argentina was in a VERY similar situation and they chose to just declare bankruptcy and start over .......well could be what happens with Greece ....won't be without pain though
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Danlar
it's fun to have fun but you have to know how
09:52 PM on 05/19/2012
A HUGE part of the GREEK problem has been TAX AVOIDENCE ...I read in a text book that predates this crisis how 30% of the Greek economy was "Underground" aka untaxed