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Geisinger Health Systems: What Are The Gas Drilling Health Facts?

BY KEVIN BEGOS   05/20/12 03:44 PM ET  AP

PITTSBURGH -- Some people are absolutely sure gas drilling threatens public health, while others are absolutely sure it doesn't.

Geisinger Health Systems is looking for more facts on the debate.

"Our concern is getting reliable data so we know what to do for our patients," said David Carey, director of Geisinger's Weis Center for Research in Danville, Pa.

Geisinger serves many patients who live in areas that have seen a recent boom in Marcellus Shale gas drilling. The gas-rich formation thousands of feet underground has generated jobs, billions of dollars and concerns about possible environmental and public health impacts from thousands of new wells.

"There's a real need for reliable information for policymakers," Carey said, yet some of the debate on the issue has been more emotion-driven than science-driven.

"Lack of data has not led to a lack of opinion," Carey noted.

But with state and federal budgets under intense pressure, there hasn't been much money available for serious medical research. Then over the last year, executives at Geisinger realized they had a big head start.

"We have a very long history of caring for patients in this region," Carey said, noting the company serves 2.6 million patients and operates hospitals, clinics, and an insurance program in 44 north central and north eastern counties. That means they have vast troves of health care data, concerning everything from cancer to car accidents to asthma attacks.

"We can map the clinical data in both space and in time," Carey said, meaning they can compare health in areas with gas drilling to similar areas where it isn't happening.

Carey said the company isn't presuming anything about the issue, though it is aware of both concerns and the economic value of the shale boom.

"Our position is, let's collect the data and find out," he said.

It may fall to private companies to do some of the work.

Until a few months ago, Pennsylvania public health officials had expected to get a share of the revenue being generated by the state's new Marcellus Shale law, which is projected to provide about $180 million to state and local governments in the first year.

But representatives from Republican Gov. Tom Corbett's office and the state Senate cut the health appropriation to zero during final negotiations, so now the state Department of Health is left with a new workload but no funding to examine whether gas drilling impacts health.

Many federal and state regulators say hydraulic fracturing is safe when done properly, and that thousands of wells have been drilled with few complaints of pollution. But environmental groups and some doctors assert regulations still aren't tough enough and that the practice can pollute groundwater and air.

The claims and counterclaims have been so extreme that some health experts feel the fear and confusion that's been generated among the public is a problem by itself. Bernard Goldstein, a professor emeritus at the University of Pittsburgh School of Public Health, said experience has shown that patient trust is a key component in health care.

Goldstein said Pitt is also looking at ways to use health care data to answer questions about gas drilling and possible public health impacts.

Despite all the controversy over the issue, Carey hopes Geisinger can stay above the fray.

"To the extent possible, we're trying to stay clear of any political land mines," he said.

"We see this unfolding in phases. I could see a batch of early studies that might focus on some diseases. Asthma is a good example," he said, since people with that disease would be very sensitive to possible changes in air quality due to gas drilling.

Geisinger hopes to issue some preliminary results of its data analysis within the next year, Carey said, while other aspects of the research will unfold over five, 10 or 15 years.

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04:45 PM on 05/22/2012
recent scientific publication shows vertical migration of toxic chemicals from fracking into drinking water supplies is a reality that has been dismissed by the fossil fuel corporations for years...
bcunnin679
Political Correctness, the enemy of free speech
08:22 AM on 05/24/2012
Any proof and/or links
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scole77777
Here to point out the obvious...
05:47 PM on 05/21/2012
What are the impacts? Nobody knows, but scholars speculate....

Another great article about nothing HP. Next time, wait until they have results to report.
04:29 PM on 05/21/2012
It is a way to get the gas what is the big deal. These people complain about everything companies need to do to get the products out of the ground
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scole77777
Here to point out the obvious...
05:49 PM on 05/21/2012
For some reason, horses and other domesticated animals simply went bald when exposed to methane resulting from nearby hydraulic fracturing. But yeah, I'm sure its no big deal. What you don't know can't kill you right?
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elstewart
progressive plantsman, writer & artist
06:27 PM on 05/21/2012
Right--just like BP in the Gulf or Exxon-Mobil in Alaska. Those little oil spills--not a problem.
12:12 PM on 05/22/2012
They are all cleaned up people fishing and swimming everyday .
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jimme
Being liberal is true freedom.
03:52 PM on 05/21/2012
But representatives from Republican Gov. Tom Corbett's office and the state Senate cut the health appropriation to zero during final negotiations, so now the state Department of Health is left with a new workload but no funding to examine whether gas drilling impacts health.

How convenient. It seems that they're worried something would be found to be harmful to peoples health, and they're paid to not let that out in the open to the public. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain to see that our pols are nothing but corporate shills paid to do their bidding, not the constituents.
02:11 PM on 05/21/2012
It is so sad to see your own neighbors selling their souls. If their children had asthma, I would do what I could not to pollute the air. I guess the almighty dollar means more than humanity. I would expect this from politicians who'd palms are greased, but gone are the days, that the person who lives down the block cared for anyone else. Its very sad.
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powder chowder
☟ Peace: the final frontier...
01:56 PM on 05/21/2012
5-15 years? not soon enough.
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snewell
12:28 PM on 05/21/2012
PLENTY OF MONEY FOR OIL AND GAS SUBSIDIES BUT NONE FOR FRACKING RELATED HEALTH RESEARCH. HMMMMMMMM!!!!!! I WONDER WHO WORKS FOR WHO IN CONGRESS ??????
bcunnin679
Political Correctness, the enemy of free speech
08:24 AM on 05/24/2012
The industry does not get subsidies it gets tax ctedits. Subsidies are things like Medicaid, food stamps, etc. a big difference.
11:47 AM on 05/21/2012
How convenient, they will not have results for 10-15 years! By then the oil companies will have come and gone leaving behind death and destruction!
Why not go out to Oklahoma and study the affects out there, there are documented cases of increases in cancers, water contamination, animal and crop poisoning. What more evidence do you need? Fracking is a way oil companies can get rid of their oil refining by- products and get paid to do it! It's a win , win for the companies and a lose, lose for the american people!
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11:17 AM on 05/21/2012
No Fracking Way.
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cornel
wuf wuf
10:29 AM on 05/21/2012
You might all want to check this very pretty site -> http://dangersoffracking.com/
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
08:58 AM on 05/21/2012
Republicans have de-funded public health research, while collecting bribes from oil and gas companies-- anyone else see a connection? The fracking questions are being pushed into a black or white conversation where we get the simplistic question ; does fracking damage air and water or not? This is not a simplistic issue. Those who drill with responsibility can often do it safely, we know that.  But the problem is not all drillers are equally responsible. Some cut corners and ignore safety. Some dispose of chemicals improperly. Every case is different. We cannot make the issue a winner  take all stereotype.
The way to ensure that as little harm as possible is done is through regulation and enforcement that makes sure safety procedures are followed.
  It does not require new research to know that all petroleum products are poisonous, and when we contaminate water supplies health is degraded, and property values are lowered. We might consider why it is that fracking was exempted from Clean Water Act laws to start with, why have laws been passed that prohibit doctors from discussing fracking related health claims, why a national database is not available for petroleum related illnesses, both related to fracking and oil spills. It is more than coincidence that the facts are being withheld from the public. There is a determined effort to hide harms from the public because the harms are real.
09:35 AM on 05/21/2012
When did the republicans defund public health research. The Dems controlled the house from 2006 through 2010, The dems have controlled the Senate since 2006.
When did the Republicans take any bribes from the oil and gas companies. It would seem that if it was true, then you would have some documented proof. Likewise, the Holder DOJ would certainly be filing criminal charges.

Or did you just make two totally unsupported claims.
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
09:47 AM on 05/21/2012
Hey Joe Dallas - do you recall John Boehner distributing lobbying checks (bribes) to congress folks right on the floor of the House of Reps?
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cornel
wuf wuf
10:27 AM on 05/21/2012
You don't even know what your own party is doing and you want to argue ? http://www.democraticwhip.gov/content/hoyer-statement-gop-bill-defund-prevention-and-public-health-programs
Get a life !
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
09:43 AM on 05/21/2012
And why won't they release a full disclosure of what chemicals are used and in how much of each is used in the fracking process?
10:07 AM on 05/21/2012
I agree and the Rep. Block and attempt at regulations on the oil, coal or natural gas industries
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
08:57 AM on 05/21/2012
For geographically challenged and geologically challenged individuals and the crockementray Gasland enthusiasts - how many towns and communities in this country are named Burning Springs. burning springs, PA, Burning springs KY, Burning Springs PA, all got their names in the 1800's, long before hydralic fracturing, long before oil and gas was discovered. How did they get those names - from the methane in the ground water.

Can fracturing fluids enter the ground water, yes, though extremely unlikely, 4,000-5,000 feet of rock, A string of surface casing going below the ground water cemented up, a string of intermediate casing cemented back up, and a final string of casing to the formation cemented back up. Three levels of protection.
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telebob59
Unrepentant, unreconstructed Dharma Bum
12:11 PM on 05/21/2012
Golly, you don 't happen to work for Focus Media in NYS, do you? Because you just parroted the propaganda displayed on a billboard in Sullivan County which I'll be driving past in a matter of minutes.
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elstewart
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04:05 PM on 05/21/2012
I live in upstate NY where this issue is becoming a hot topic of debate. So what happens when the ground water gets polluted? People's homes/land will become worthless. Towns and perhaps entire regions would become uninhabitable--not to mention the impact of all those chemicals and polluted water on the environment. Fracking has even been shown to have caused earthquakes in Ohio--and all of this so that a few gas company execs and land owners can make a short-term financial killing. It's disgusting and short-sighted to say the least. There is no fracking way this will happen in my neck of the woods--thanks to my county being the watershed for NYC, but other areas nearby may not be so fortunate. Fracking is a scam, a dangerous scam that we cannot afford.
05:01 PM on 05/21/2012
Based on your comment - you appear to be quite knowledgeable about fracturing and geology in oil and gas formations.

Please explain how fracking is a scam
Please how the fracturing fluids can migrate into the watershed. 

Please also explain how the fracking fluids can travel 4k to 8k feet of rock yet the hydrocarbons have miraculously not migrated into the watershed.
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jdjay
08:56 AM on 05/21/2012
I have $5 billion dollars I would like to donate for this study if you promise to wait 10 years to do it because I have $10 billion dollars invested in natural gas development.
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
09:47 AM on 05/21/2012
jdjay - : ) That was a smile!
08:27 AM on 05/21/2012
The biggest health problem I've seen in washington Co. Pa is mental health issues that have been brought on by the non mineral owners worrying that someone else is going to get something that they are not going to get! They are so jealous that they have worried themselves sick! Others who planned on getting something and spent the money before they got it and are now in the dry gas areas and are being bypassed are also getting sick! That is life...
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willowtree3
Adopt a shelter animal.
07:21 AM on 05/21/2012
Well gee, let's see.
If you can set your faucet water on fire, it's probably not good for ya.
07:46 AM on 05/21/2012
Agreed. Drinking fire water can make you go blind.
08:16 AM on 05/21/2012
Detcetable biogenic and thermogenic methane is present in groundwater throughout the country. It is also present most folks's large intestines and politcians's exhalations when they speak. The latter is not good for us either.
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willowtree3
Adopt a shelter animal.
02:02 PM on 05/21/2012
But I doubt the other 650+ chemicals they pump into the ground to "ease"
operations are present anywhere except in gas/oil drilling. & I hate to say it-
but probably not even in a politicians exhalations. (although that could be
up for debate)