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Iraq And Afghanistan Veterans Of America Fund Urges Parents Without Kids In Military To Support Vets

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By PAULINE JELINEK   07/05/12 03:11 AM ET  AP

WASHINGTON -- If you have military-age children who have not served in this decade's wars, then you owe a debt – meaning money – to those who did. That's the premise of a new fundraising effort by three wealthy American families who want to help U.S. veterans of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Every non-military family should give something, they said. The affluent should give large sums. No one should think of it as charity, but rather a moral obligation, an alternative way to serve, perhaps the price of being spared the anxiety that comes with having a loved one in a war zone.

"We have three able-bodied, wonderful, wonderful children, all of whom are devoted to doing very, very good things around social justice; and we could not be more proud of them," said Philip Green, a local businessman who devised the fundraising idea. "We're also delighted that none of them had to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan."

Green says he and his wife came to look at that as unfair: "I realized that there were parents just like me down the street, down the block ... who did not have that luxury" and were suffering sleepless nights and anxiety, "which I was able to avoid."

Green, president of health care consultancy PDG Consulting, and his wife Dr. Elizabeth Cobbs, head of geriatrics at Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Washington, teamed with two other couples to start the fundraising. Together, they donated a total of $1.1 million. Contributing with Green and Cobbs were Glenn Garland, head of Texas-based CLEAResult energy consultancy, and his wife, Laurie, and Jim Stimmel, CLEAResult's executive vice president, and his wife, Patty.

They hope to raise $30 million for five organizations they say are among the best at providing medical, financial and other help to veterans, active duty troops and their families. With the Fourth of July celebration approaching, they held a news conference with one of the five organizations, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA).

"Millions of Americans and their families have sacrificed so much in the conflicts and they have such needs," Stimmel said. "By contrast, so many affluent Americans have not made a commensurate sacrifice; and they should."

The issue of unequal national sacrifice has been a recurring theme during current and past conflicts and it always touches on at least two questions: Who serves in America and who doesn't? What's the responsibility of those who don't?

Most people aren't interested in joining the military. A recent Pentagon survey shows only 18 percent of American youths say they'll definitely or probably join, very low compared to decades ago. The culture surrounding service was transformed in part by the end of conscription and mandatory service.

"Clearly, young people would prefer to be doing other things," said Beth Asch, a senior economist at RAND Corporation who specializes in defense manpower issues.

The military also doesn't want most Americans. It says 75 percent of the target recruit-age population of 17- to 24-year-olds are unqualified due to health problems (mostly related to obesity), drug or alcohol histories, or too little education (no high school diploma).

In the end, the Pentagon says it has assembled an armed force pretty much mirroring the society it defends. That is, major racial and ethnic groups make up about the same percentage of the military as they do the society at large. The same goes for income, with one exception, Asch says: "The 20 percent (of society) with the lowest income are the least likely to serve." They're generally unqualified due to lower education and aptitude ratings. Recruits from neighborhoods where the average household income is over $100,000 also are rare, making up roughly 3 percent of the total, studies have shown.

Asch believes that not requiring all qualified people to serve makes the system inherently unfair. That today's force is all-volunteer takes some of the edge off that but doesn't speak to inequity.

The families starting the new fundraising noted their lack of service.

Stimmel and Green didn't go to Vietnam; their sons and daughters didn't join the military during the latest conflicts. Green was disqualified during Vietnam because of health issues. Stimmel never was called because he drew a high number in that era's draft lottery. Garland watched older friends go and come home unappreciated and says he now has enormous appreciation for military families.

"We feel that supporting our troops is more than sticking a yellow sticker on the back of your car that says `Support the Troops,'" Stimmel said.

"Patty and I are challenging at least 1,000 affluent families out there to contribute 1 percent of their net worth to do their part," he said.

Every successful business person in America "has enjoyed that success because of the sacrifice of someone else's sons and daughters" in uniform, Garland said. The argument echoes a concern repeated often over the decade: War efforts have fallen on the shoulders of the few, while the lives of the many went largely unencumbered. Or as some troops have been fond of saying: "We went to war, America went to the mall."

But it's also true that there's widespread support shown today's troops and vets, especially compared with the vitriol heaped on those in uniform during Vietnam. Thousands of support groups now have sprung up around the nation – one study estimates there are some 40,000. They provide welcoming parties as troops arrive home at airports, free housing, telephone cards, children's camps, employment help, airline miles, "nights out" for wives caring for their wounded husbands, counseling, cash and more.

Some long-established organizations have added new missions. The United Service Organization (USO), known for decades for sending entertainers to lighten the hearts of troops on the battlefield, focuses more now on care for the wounded. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce sponsors job fairs.

What it all amounts to in giving and spending is not known.

Officials and military families fear that as more troops arrive home from the ongoing drawdown in Afghanistan, Americans will lose interest or consider the problem solved.

"The veteran space (in giving) is kind of similar to the AIDS space 35 years ago," said Paul Rieckhoff, a former infantryman who served in Iraq and founded the IAVA. "You have an explosion of public health need that's impacting a small percentage of the population that most Americans don't feel."

"And in many ways the country kind of thought that AIDS was just a problem for the gay community in the same way many Americans think that veterans (are) just a problem for the military community," he said.

Many also assume the government will handle it – something experts in the field say isn't possible as needs spiral in a struggling economy.

Rieckhoff said there's a group of donors dedicated to veteran issues, but few who give six- and seven-figure sums. The new fundraising aims not only to attract large donations, but recast the giving as a moral obligation rather than an option.

"It's not a question of `Is there money out there'," Green said. "And it's not a question of whether people should give the money. It's only a question of finding them and convincing them to give it."

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duggal
11:30 PM on 07/10/2012
As a Vietnam Vet and father of an active duty Marine, I applaud the concept endorsed in this article. I find it comforting that my son and those who serve with him are now being recognized for their service.
11:55 PM on 07/07/2012
I appreciate it when someone thanks me for my service when I'm in uniform, but I always feel uncomfortable if they buy my food or coffee. I have money and don't need them to do that although I do feel thankful for the sentiment. Come up to me and say, "As a thank you, what organization could I donate to in gratitude for those who've served?" I'll tell you Wounded Warriors. I don't need a free coffee, but that organization could definitely use the donations.

Those people needn't feel guilty for not having served. All they need to do is show their gratitude and that's what they're doing. Whether it's grandstanding or not is not my concern. Whether it's helping our vets, is my concern and I trust that they are.
05:15 PM on 07/07/2012
I always thought wars were fought to defend against an immediate threat or to conquer nations. In either case you pull no punches and definitely dont give aid to the enemy...
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ginadeoliveira2008
Seen a shooting star tonight and I thought of you
02:30 PM on 07/11/2012
I guess I did not get it? Come again?
11:38 AM on 07/07/2012
It is good for people who can afford it to support the veterans. It is a noble exercise, but not a moral duty. Parents with military-age children who did not serve are NOT morally obliged to support veterans. There are many reasons why some people do not serve, Mr. Green and his group who feel morally obliged to support veterans should certainly salve their consciences by giving as much as they can afford. But they should not try to foist their "moral obligation" on others.
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undrgrndgirl
what's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?
11:08 AM on 07/07/2012
it is up to the government to support its veterans and their families. tax the rich (who are the ones who don't have kids in the services) to pay for it.
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Nicole Summers
Involution, Evolution vs. De-evolution, NRA
10:30 AM on 07/07/2012
People don't understand that the crooks in power stand between the poor and the money. I think most non profits are scams. I also believe when we send relief funds to help other nations our government steals about half of it, and the crooked government of the other nations take the other half. I don't think the poor or the military gets hardly any of it. Non profits are crooked tax shelters. They rely on your good nature and humanitarianism to cheat you. There has to be a special place in hell for these so-called humanitarian rich folks. Pack your bags we are going on a guilt trip. Crooks are good at playing on our guilt. Do you really think Jesus likes crosses? It is a guilt trip thing people! A lot of symbols and words play on our heartstrings.
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Nicole Summers
Involution, Evolution vs. De-evolution, NRA
10:18 AM on 07/07/2012
I think most non profits finagle a tax free profit like churches, relief funds, and a lot of them get salaries too, for crooking people. They are tax shelters and money makers under the illusion it is to help others. They are a profitable businesses. I wonder how much of that money really gets to those in need. I am very reluctant to believe even half of it gets to where it 'should" go. I have no faith in organizations like this. Rich people get awards for humanitarian efforts when in reality they are getting rich pretending to help the military and the poor. I think that is the worst kind of evil. I remember one year after Haiti, over half of that money was still tied up in Congress. Also, when it got there the crooked government took it. People don't understand that the crooks in power stand between the poor and the money. That is why I won't vote for Romney. They siphon off the top and the poor get blamed for getting what is left. Ask yourself who handles the money, who controls the government that decides the tax laws? And you still continue to blame the poor? Idiots! And they are the God people? Yeah, right!
09:39 AM on 07/07/2012
Guilt trip because these 3 guys didn't serve. Well intentioned, but misguided to assuage their own regrets.
09:37 AM on 07/07/2012
Is theese 3 wealthy family gives skip paying income tax.real charity give dont deduct outta income tax and not to tell anyone.it should be between giver and taker and god.plus lot charities to make tax free money for themselves.another veteren collection 56 million dissapeared .it was on CNN anderson cooper program. yildiz
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chatnuptime1
The Wolf's Den.
04:06 AM on 07/07/2012
I will apologies to the service men that may be reading this post and to their families. To be sure. My heart and service to you and yours goes to you in what ever way I can. But this smells rank. First of all though you have done your duty when asked to risk life and limb and for that I solute you. However the biggest help I can give you is reigning in the policy of make war to spread Democracy aka Aristocracy at your expense. Iraq nor Aphianistan were never a threat to this nation. Terrorist were and they know no borders and hide behind inocents around the world. We can't allow politicians to blithily go to every nation that terrorist hide and ripping nations whole and destabelizing the middle east doing it. That will make certain we will have issues with security. We can't just spill blood en mass because we think this or that regime is a threat. There has to be a wiser and more prudent way to secure our future then this. And we should not stop pressuring Washington and the White House until those policies are changed. War should be the last recourse not the first action taken.
08:21 AM on 07/07/2012
Not a threat? Remember those buildings that got knocked down?
I didn't think so.
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jimstaro
02:04 PM on 07/06/2012
What a novel idea, wonder why the country didn't think of it especially their rubber stamping war costs off the books and all borrowed representatives!! Oh wait, that's what the country is supposed to do, 'Sacrifice' whether the wars of choice are right or wrong!!

No Revenues {nor private capital economic investments, free market capitalism} = No Sacrifice = No Support = DeJa-Vu all over again!. Now a decade and counting, told to go shopping, added to the previous decades of under funding the VA, while the peoples reps Still try and lay blame on the Agency, after rubber stamping wars and costs of and those represented cheer on these wars!

While the wealthy and other investors garner their booty, still, from both and many have the chutz·pa to call themselves more patriotic{?} then others wrapped in those false flags, using false slogans and various cheap symbols of and then seek one day events or parades to wave all that patriotism, call it "Supporting the Troops", then go home and either ignore or forget about those that actually sacrificed for the country!

USN '67-'71 All Shore GMG3 Vietnam In Country '70-'71
12:02 PM on 07/06/2012
Hi there. I'm 25 years old, and I've been out of the army for 2 years now. I went to Afghanistan twice.

If we were actually fighting a war for freedom, to protect Americans, if we were fighting a war that had any kind of positive impact on America at all, I'd be a lot more supportive of this sort of guilt trip. The fact is, the young men and women fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq today are fighting for nothing. This is why we're seeing so many mental health cases in veterans than we have previously. I have so many friends with PTSD. Two people I was stationed with have committed suicide--one during our last deployment, one afterwards.

The idea of a draft--of forcing people to participate in these pointless wars--is so morally reprehensible, I have no words to describe it.

If you want to help the troops, if you actually care, don't waste your time donating to campaigns like this. Donate to campaigns that are committed to public policy which commits America's armed forces only in cases where America's freedom is in jeopardy. No more efforts to spread freedom and democracy to people who do not want it and are not ready for it. No more destabilizing entire regions of the world. No more wars with no clear objectives, no more pointless patrols, no more IEDs killing 18 year olds with wives and kids. No more.

These types of campaigns miss the point completely.
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JohnHopwood2
Happiness is a 9 letter word
06:27 PM on 07/06/2012
Very well put. You are a smart person.
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chatnuptime1
The Wolf's Den.
04:13 AM on 07/07/2012
Well I wished I had read a bit further down then I did to see this post. Before I wrote my peice.
02:14 AM on 07/06/2012
I suppose I am one of the few that get it. Imagine just yesterday, patriots were waving their flags, BBQing, and setting off fireworks, while thanking Soldiers for their service. The next day these same "patriots" come and see the mere suggestion that they should compensate those who have endured (both service member and family) the wars, wars they most likely supported with patriotic glee, scoff at the idea that they owe soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines anything more.

Am I the only one that has "Fortunate Son" playing in my head, who finds the humor in the hypocrisy in American "patriotism" if only it wasn't so bloody sad? Maybe it's because I'm an Iraqi vet who spent much time unemployed, while watching jobs go to nepotism and cronyism all while the managers "thanked" me for my service, that I understand the joke. God forbid most Americans make a sacrifice for a higher cause or ideal.
08:18 AM on 07/06/2012
Word... it is funny how they will thank you and have yellow ribbons but when it comes time to find a job they aren't so patriotic. Seen it time and again, people will never admit it but they do not "like" or "feel comfortable" hiring vets. A lot of times they think our work experience is irrelevant to the civilian world and aren't willing to risk or make the true patriotic call and hire us. But it's one of those hidden prejudices that no one would admit too, so it can never be addressed and fixed. Thank God for unemployment benefits.
01:56 PM on 07/06/2012
It was the 1932 democratic majority in congress, working with the now defunct farmer laborer party that brought us unemployment benefits during the presidency of FDR. God had left the vote to them in good faith perhaps, but it was they who enacted the benefits. I thank that democratic majority. and yes, there is a vets prejudice by many private employers. And there has been for many years. sad but true.
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chatnuptime1
The Wolf's Den.
04:29 AM on 07/07/2012
An old African proverb. Feed my mouth not my feet.
To understand the proverb a bit of history and cultural understanding is in order. Some African cultures lay food at the feet of a shrine for their dead, anually. While alive they let him starve. As they seem to have little regard for the living and honor the dead with the produce of the living. Humans have their priorities mixed up for sure. Trust and beleive most Americans do respect your service. But in this day in age with a Nation so divided and discouraged if not out right bitter about their bread and butter situation and this being an election year you are unwittingly being used as a calling card to re establish patriotism for a government that is percieved by many to have failed the American People. This Hero Worship is being used to molify that bitterness and restore some sense of Unity in an otherwise very bad situation.

There is growing discontent with the wars, the economy and the lack of work. People that have never been miserable in their lives are dropping into proverty for the first time in generations and all eyes are on a disfunctional congress and a battle royal over party stone walling and Wall Street plagerizing. A growing debt that threatens to destroy more then half the jobs that still exist also looms heavily on their minds.
01:23 AM on 07/06/2012
People pay taxes. Taxes pay our (Soldiers) wages. They also pay our disability and retirement pay. It also covers medical expenses. We aren't some pandering homeless war vets. We are Soldiers with pride and don't need people's pity and donations. Our government takes care of us more or less, depending on your opinion. We join for many different reasons but at the end of the day we end up serving. We don't need some "do gooder" raising money. And we definitely don't need someone running around saying people owe us something. We serve our country whether they appreciate it or not, it doesn't matter.
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Billie Burk
07:54 AM on 07/06/2012
Well said my brother rather than hand outs I would love to see compulsery servise no matter who your dad is maybe after they will get off the couch and vote since they had a hand in keeping our country great
11:25 AM on 07/06/2012
And so what happens when you physically aren't able to serve? You are now punished for your disability?
01:32 PM on 07/06/2012
If you think taxes will pay soldiers disabilities, Think again. I watched good men die of agent orange toxicosis, horrible painful deaths with no help from the VA. only recently, after thousands of these soldiers died poor, unable to work due to body twisting deformities and skin lesions, and holes in thier brains, only after thousands died this way did the VA step up and give comp to the remaining few who still lived in that suffering hell. Do you think depleted uranium exposure/gulf war syndrome will be any different? The VA said that Monsanto said Agent orange was safe, and that alone was cause for thousands- tens of thousands- of shattered lives and families. I dont think the IAVA is onto a solid funding source here, its simply too ethically surreal. I also dont for one minute suspect that the invisible injuries- moderate TBI's that went without care, PTSD that goes undiagnosed and the worrisome DU exposures- these are underfunded by VA and tax dollars and will cost so much more to clean up than they would have cost to prevent. Keep your medical records troop, your service ends and your fight begins on discharge.
03:03 PM on 07/06/2012
I can't speak for previous generations and can only speak for what I've seen. No system is perfect. Back to the original topic....weirdo's claiming to represent us and trying to guilt people into donating money is still wrong in my opinion. There is a system in place, they should focus their efforts on fixing the VA and not doing what I suspect is lining the pockets of a few "vets". Or what Laura posted, change policy.
12:44 AM on 07/06/2012
IM a disabled vet. The article says 5 orgs are recieving money, and in 1200 words names only the IAVA. It goes on about how generous these folks are, stating "Green, president of health care consultancy PDG Consulting, and his wife Dr. Elizabeth Cobbs, head of geriatrics at Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Washington"- its like a feelgood promo for these two beacons of humanity ... isnt it wonderful someone is doing something! Asch's stats are right out of comic books. '"The 20 percent (of society) with the lowest income are the least likely to serve." They're generally unqualified due to lower education and aptitude ratings.' .... like the children of disabled vets who were raised on fixed incomes, the immigrant children of deceased parents from US sponsored wars, or those medically disqualifed due to chemical exposures or other health problems like this crap they sell in 90% of stores and restaraunts as 'food'- pink slime yo? this crap created by the corporations that kills us while we live our oil feuled race to the bottom. .... "at least 1,000 affluent families" will help... like the walmart heirs? the 6 walmart heirs alone have as much as the 30% at the 'bottom'. Split it 50-50 with all of us, vet or no, if they really want to make a difference. this whole article reeks of salvador disney. Im a disabled vet. Im not a clown. this is simply patsy writing and cake publishing.
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sarahinez
11:12 AM on 07/06/2012
Daniel,

I don't know if you're always like this (angry and accurate and able to connect issues) or if this article hit a nerve that prompted your comment. I do know that anger provides the energy to change things if it's channeled. It would be presumptuous for me to suggest which groups you might investigate, but Meetup.com has enough groups that you can find (if you haven't already found) some like-minded folks who are acting on the concerns you mentioned.

P.S.Thanks for that phrase "patsy writing and cake publishing;" if you don't mind, I'm going to quote it from time to time.
01:07 PM on 07/06/2012
I am sickened that people pat themselves on the back for complicity in sending these new vets to an illegal war in the first place, and now make coddling "pity the vet" BS while they grab limelight. Were not victims. We were soldiers. Our experiences turned many of us into warriors. These same people probably pay indulgences at church. If they really felt lousy about not having sent kids to war they could get on a bike, stop it with the gross consumerism and pay attention - we started a war that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks and was run largely by war profitteering oil cartels. They had a chance to speak out for soldiers who did not have a chance to speak out when Bush started this illegal war, and they failed the soldiers. Failed us. Now they want to pay down that guilt? thats ok. but they get press for it? thats sick. Shame on the HUFF.

Yes, please use the turn of words. And check this out, this is what vets are doing for themselves, and if any non vet wants to contribute, great, but they wont get special treatment for it. Like us on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Vets.Cafe and check out the petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/senate-committee-on-veterans-affairs-offer-organic-agriculture-education-to-vrap-eligible-veterans

please help us get word out!
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chatnuptime1
The Wolf's Den.
04:39 AM on 07/07/2012
I agree. 100%