It's hard to listen to somebody when you've got a couple of hundred million dollars, or $50 million or whatever, it's hard to listen to somebody. Sometimes you've got to feel the fire to know it's hot. These guys realize they're going to get locked up, they're going to get fined a hell of a lot of money, you know, now they're going to be stereotypes ... it's going to be on record that these guys are bad guys, and they constantly get in trouble . And the next thing you know you got a lawyer involved, you got a cop involved, you got a prosecutor involved, you got a jury involved. You're up s--- creek without a paddle.