Xu Bing, "Phoenix" (New York)
Photo by Joe Griffin (Courtesy of Xu Bing Studio and The Cathedral Church of Saint John the Divine)
This piece was displayed in the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, which is located near Columbia University on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.
Where have you displayed public art? I usually don’t take on large, permanent public commissions because they take up a significant portion of an important space and possess no quality of necessity. A mailbox, for instance, has a beauty in its necessity, but a large, outdoor sculpture or commission might not appeal to everyone’s tastes or even change over time.
I have done public art outdoor art and I have done a few large commissions, including “Phoenix."
Tell us about "Phoenix." It’s a really beautiful piece in quite a unique location.
So the "Phoenix," which talks about labor and capital and the realities of China today -- its wealth and where it comes from, what it looks like, what it makes possible, and what it causes -- made sense for that space. But wherever it goes -- and there is a saying in Chinese, “you marry a chicken and you start to take after that chicken” -- it somehow forms a relationship with that space.
And the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine got interested in the project through the show's curator, Judith Goldman, as well as Judy Collins, who is an artist-in-residence. And again, the space was perfect in terms of dimensions, the contrast between the gothic architecture and stained glass windows, the loftiness of the space, and the sacred quiet that it provides in a very dense, gritty and noisy city [which] opens the heavens for the bird's path of flight.
The consideration of creating a work means finding a problem, something that needs to be said or looked at, and then finding the right language to express it. If you can use words to express that thing, then what’s the point of saying it?