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Climate Change Consensus: A Simple Table for Comprehension

Posted: 02/23/2012 12:30 pm

There is a strong scientific consensus supporting the scientific Theory of Global Warming and these key points:

  • There is warming.
  • Humanity is contributing to that warming.
  • This warming will create significant harm if left unchecked.

While scientific "debate" always continues and there are debates over many elements within and around climate science (How fast will the Arctic Ice melt? Is there a point of no-return where humanity will no longer be able to avert catastrophic climate chaos? Is Global Warming fostering more tornadoes? Etc ...), the scientific community has a very solid understanding of and agreement about the basics. That strength of agreement, if truly understood by the political elite and public, creates serious challenge for those seeking to forestall action to mitigate climate change. Thus, when hearing of "consensus," we often hear from self-proclaimed "climate skeptics" that there is great uncertainty and that we should teach the "scientific debate" (here). Here is a rather simple table to use to consider the extent of that "debate."

Table 1: Professional Societies and Major Relevant Research Institutions on whether humanity is driving climate change

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Consider a simple truth about the incredibly complexity of issues, interconnections, and feedback patterns/cycles in these interactions of energy and climate change issues:

anyone who asserts that they know everything about energy and climate change, definitively, and knows every single answer is, well, simply not someone worth listening to about these complex domains.

Thus, a critical skill set is developing a sense as to who to trust and who is untrustworthy for consideration.

And, this "skill set' can be used as a guide for where one might have uncertainty.

Greg Craven, youtube star extraordinaire and author of the highly recommended What's the worst that could happen?, laid a hierarchy of authorities for considering a difficult subject area where one might not be expert but where you wish to figure out an answer via the thoughts and opinions of others. Quite roughly, in order, you could have from high (implicit) to lower (need to be confirmed) trust as follows:

  • Professional societies
  • Government Reports
  • University Research Programs
  • Think Tanks
  • Advocacy Organizations
  • Individual Professionals
  • Individual Lay People

And, if an institution speaks in a way that contradicts its normal bias (like a tobacco company stating that smoking tobacco causes cancer or a fossil-fuel company stating that CO2 is a major threat to humanity and we need to reduce the burning of fossil fuels), then it should be given stronger weight.

Craven lays out why professional organizations are at the top of the credibility spectrum:

professional societies are organizations that exist not to advance a particular agenda but to simply serve the communication and training needs of a particular profession. ... With these groups, bias and political leanings are going to be small as can be expected in any human endeavor.

The level of expertise is fairly high because these groups are made up of people who know more about the field than anyone else; furthermore, fur such an association to come out with a statement, most of the members would need to agree with it, so what you're getting is general agreement from a whole bunch of experts -- no small thing. And, the longer an organization has been around or the mroe prestigious it is, the bigger the reputation it has to protect. You can be fairly confident that an organization has been quite thorough in making sure it doesn't say something that later makes it look silly.

Now, "argument from authority" is a touchy subject. Just because the American Medical Association says today that X causes Y disease doesn't mean that it won't turn out that further research will uncover that X is unrelated to Y. Even so, when trying to figure out how to avoid Y disease, today, would we find it more likely that the AMA or a community glee club would have more relevant information and advice? "Authority" doesn't mean certainty but, as Craven lays out, there are reasons to give some credence to such perspectives.

To apply this hierarchy of credibility, the first section might be laid out like this:

Table 2: Structuring a Table re authorities re humanity have a role in driving climate change

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Table 1 above is an attempt at filling in Table 2.

And, with that truly independent association of people who have zero interest in perpetuation of a fossil fuel economy standing out as a clear exception, how does the Association of American Petroleum Geologists (AAPG) introduce its recommendations about climate change?

In the last century, growth in human population has increased energy use. This has contributed additional carbon dioxide (CO2) and other gases to the atmosphere. Although the AAPG membership is divided on the degree of influence that anthropogenic CO2 has on recent and potential global temperature increases, AAPG believes that expansion of scientific climate research into the basic controls on climate is important.

And, for those who still are wondering 'but what about all those scientists who challenge that consensus,' spend a few moments with Peter Sinclair looking at 32,000 (pseudo-)scientists challenging those institutions in the first column:

Note: This is a modified reposting of Considering Institutional Authorities and Climate Change.

MUST READ! Massively powerful LA Times editorial on climate science education.

 

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BluePhantom2
The Blacksmith & the Artist reflected in their art
05:44 PM on 02/29/2012
More consensus science! "Our list is bigger than yours so you are wrong" is not science. Climate science is very new and to claim to have it all nailed down to the point of making earth changing predictions that require "Right now or else" descisions has the scent of snake oil. Toss in the credability of the UN and the scent turns to a stink. Yes the climate is changing as it has "NEVER" been static. Is CO2 a driver? Probably but how much of a driver? What are the obsorbsion rates as plants responde to the increase of CO2 and what are those affects and how are they factored into the models that predict gloom & doom while the observation data shows only a minor trend upward.
05:21 PM on 03/01/2012
BluePhantom2 GREAT comment

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09:41 PM on 03/01/2012
Very good..:>)
11:04 PM on 02/28/2012
http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/resguide/specenv.htm

8.21. Each country should develop integrated strategies to maximize compliance with its laws and regulations relating to sustainable development, with assistance from international organizations and other countries as appropriate. The strategies could include:
(a) Enforceable, effective laws, regulations and standards that are based on sound economic, social and environmental principles and appropriate risk assessment, incorporating sanctions designed to punish violations, obtain redress and deter future violations;
(b) Mechanisms for promoting compliance;
(c) Institutional capacity for collecting compliance data, regularly reviewing compliance, detecting violations, establishing enforcement priorities, undertaking effective enforcement, and conducting periodic evaluations of the effectiveness of compliance and enforcement programmes;
(d) Mechanisms for appropriate involvement of individuals and groups in the development and enforcement of laws and regulations on environment and development.
10:35 PM on 02/28/2012
CLIMATE POLICY - FROM RIO TO KYOTO
A Political Issue for 2000 - and Beyond
07:09 PM on 02/28/2012
Dear Mr. Siegel,

Your list is a political roll call of organizations working with the UN IPCC. Attached is an explanation of the politics of this list from the year 2000.

CLIMATE POLICY - FROM RIO TO KYOTO
A Political Issue for 2000 - and Beyond

(In particular refer to page 19/20: 'Politics Enters into Drafting the IPCC Report.' Here examples are given of 'substantial changes ... made between the time when the report was approved in Madrid and the time it was printed. (The convening lead author, Ben Santer, readily admitted to making these changes.)

Here is a description of the politics still very much alive in the year 2012

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/02/ipcc-zero-order-draft-files-found-and-put-back-online/
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A. Siegel
10:17 AM on 02/29/2012
Thank you for smoking with the linking to a climate-science denier website discussion for "proving" that scientists are corrupt and have abandoned science for political motivation. Phew, so glad to know that we don't need to worry about climate change because the world's scientific institutions are all corrupt and withou ethics.
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BluePhantom2
The Blacksmith & the Artist reflected in their art
05:33 PM on 02/29/2012
Or maybe it's just you! And what exactly are your credentials regarding all this? Are web sites that dispute climate whatever it's called this week automatically disqualified or does someone get to pick the good and the bad? And don't you think that labels like "DENIER" tend to quelch an open discussion?
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Robco1
02:02 PM on 03/01/2012
Oh look, one of Heartland's favorite shill Watt's many dupes is backlinking his astroturf... how surprising.

The Video Watts tried to ban:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_0-gX7aUKk

About five minutes in the really fun part begins. Of course the info about the Heartland Institute just before that is also very illuminating...

But the best is at 7:00 to 7:35 or so:
--Of the 29,500 data sets, 90% showed changes 'in the direction expected as a response to warming...The lesson here is that birds, lakes, rivers, fish and glaciers have no political agenda, but climate deniers, and their wealthy sponsors, do.--

Speaking of wealthy sponsors...

http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2012/02/21/anthony-watts-may-have-some-splainin-to-do/

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2010/01/11/205330/foxnews-wattsupwiththat-climatedepot-daily-mail-article-on-global-cooling-mojib-latif/

Enjoy your link to the truth.
02:58 AM on 02/28/2012
(Part 2 of 2)
The whole point is to acknowledge that one can never know "the Truth, Reality." We can only make our best guess. (In fact, that is really all that science does—gives us our best guess. And it's been wonderfully successful at that.) As lay people who do not have the training and experience to understand such a complex topic, what we have at hand to base our best guess on is the aggregate of the information from the people who *do* have the training and expertise. Hence, the credibility spectrum.

To me it helps tremendously to see it visually. Someone illegally scanned my book, but I might as well point you to it to illustrate. The scans are here: https://sites.google.com/site/jackalopetexan/scans-of-greg-craven-s-book-what-s-the-worst-that-could-happen

A “naked” version of the credibility spectrum I proposed (containing the categories, but no statements) is on page 84 (in Chp. 4).

The “dressed” version (with the statements from the most significant sources I found on both sides) is on page 183 (in Chp. 10).

I encourage anyone who has read the book to share their own credibility spectrum (along with the sources you’ve place on it) at gregcraven.org.

Cheers,
Greg Craven
Creator, “The Most Terrifying Video You’ll Ever See”
Author, “What’s the Worst That Could Happen? A Rational Response to the Climate Change Debate”
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Robco1
02:06 PM on 03/01/2012
Proud to be the first to fan! I've been a fan of your YouTube video for a while:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

Keep up the good work!
02:57 AM on 02/28/2012
(Part 1 of 2)
Whoops. I just discovered this post, and it looks like I missed the boat on the discussion. For what it's worth, as the author of the book referenced in the article above, I’d like to add to what Mr. Siegel has written about credibility and a “credibility spectrum.” It hopefully may help in the discussions here about which source is more credible than which.

In my book "What's the Worst That Could Happen?" I suggested composing your own credibility spectrum not as a way to tell "Who's right" in a head-to-head, nor even "Who to believe." (The laws of physics don't care about our beliefs. They only care about our actions.)

Instead, I suggested using a credibility spectrum as a way to visually organize multiple statements from multiple sources all into one big picture. Then you take a look at the overall picture, seeing where there is density and where there is scarcity in the visual. (See links below.) You then use that overall assessment to guide your risk assessment about what--if anything--to do. (Again, that’s the only thing that the physical world cares about.)
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11:52 AM on 02/27/2012
Global Warming
and Storming
is Simple
and Complex
and True!
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catz1515
11:07 AM on 02/27/2012
I see the paid Oil propaganda science deniers are out in force today!
Now that Heartlands agenda to make up more propaganda for the re-education of our school children has been exposed they must be in damage control big time!

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
04:29 PM on 02/24/2012
How are we supposed to have any kind of discussion about this article when it takes half a day for a comment to post?
03:49 PM on 02/24/2012
The earth has been warming for the last 10,000 or so years. Nothing new. The steep rise in temperature from 1800 on is just a rebound from the little ice age. All the scientists with their hands out looking for grant money love to show the graphs from only the last 200 years. Oh so scary. Give me money so we can stop it! If you show the full graph for the last 10,000 years it’s not so scary.
We are in a natural warming period and it has been very beneficial to mankind. Longer growing seasons and more arable land has been the consequence. It has allowed mankind to really flourish. Believe me warming is one hell of a lot better than cooling. If mankind’s activity is contributing anything in my opinion it has been negligible. The planet is simply doing what it is going to do.
As I see it is there are a lot of people making money off of manmade global warming. Sadly this includes all those much ballyhooed scientists! I don’t know why I’m the only one who sees this but if they disprove manmade global warming they lose all their grant money. They have no incentive. Keep that in mind the next time you read their dire predictions.
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
04:03 PM on 02/24/2012
"The earth has been warming for the last 10,000 or so years. Nothing new. The steep rise in temperature from 1800 on is just a rebound from the little ice age."

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

Temps were actually declining for the past 8,000 years or so, until they started climbing, right around the time of the industrial revolution. And current temps have not simply "rebounded" from the little ice age, they've shot well above what they were before it.

If you think scientists became scientists because they wanted to get rich, then I really don't know what to say to you. It's laughable actually. I've never seen a researched in a Lambo, have you?
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
04:13 PM on 02/24/2012
*researcher*
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catz1515
11:08 AM on 02/27/2012
great, just more Heartland propaganda.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute
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Robco1
02:07 PM on 03/01/2012
Fanned for linking deniers to the truth.
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
07:09 AM on 02/24/2012
Perhaps the problem is that the proponent side understands radiative physics and the skeptics' side doesn't. Why else would we hear ridiculous claims like "AGW violates the laws of thermodynamics" unless we were dealing with people who didn't know what they were talking about?
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A. Siegel
08:46 AM on 02/24/2012
Might I suggest that use of "side" creates a false equivalency unless, perhaps, you were to say it roughly 29 times for one 'side" for every one time for the othre "side".

Also, "proponent side" is a term that truly gets me. People (self-proclaimed "skeptics") often write "global warming proponent". Other than people who (for example) shallowly say that they they like warming because they hate cold (why are they living in Minnesota?), I don't know anyone who "wants" global warming. I would be thrilled if the scientific consensus is proved wrong (even as the substantive basis for the core consensus grows stronger with (essentially) every passing day) since that would (greatly) improve the future prospects for my nation and my children.

Now, Craven's "What's the worst that can happen?" fits right into this and should be a pleasure for the real skeptic. If you're truly 'skeptical' but open to the idea that the scientific community (consensus) is correct, you'd be strongly supportive of 'Least Regret' strategies (energy efficiency, clean energy, better zoning/land use, etc ...) which would improve economic performance, improve national security, improve health, create jobs while, oh by the way, reducing atmospheric impacts from human activity. And, if the political consensus catches up to the scientific consensus, these 'no regret' strategy paths can provide a basis for accelerated/expanded action to have a more dramatic impact on reducing humanity's contribution to the mounting risks of catastrophic climate chaos.
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10:12 AM on 02/24/2012
I thought "X violates the laws of thermodynamics" was the response religious people had for all science they don't like?
09:19 PM on 02/23/2012
Thanks for confirming in your first sentence that it's only a theory, which means it's unproven.
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
11:41 PM on 02/23/2012
theory of evolution
theory of plate tectonics
germ theory of disease
theory of relativity

all a bunch of unproven, made up mumbo jumbo, right?
07:48 AM on 02/24/2012
Can I add the Theory of Gravity. Let's wait and see if DeanWormer wants to jump off a building to show that's all bunk shall we?
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A. Siegel
08:50 AM on 02/24/2012
Clearly you are showing a disdain for science. Do you have any recognition to the difference between a Scientific Theory (Theory of Evolution, Theory of Gravity, Theory of Global Warming) and a theory in your daily life (such as 'I have no idea where my keys are but I have a theory that I dropped them at the soccer game.')

A nice discussion (for the open-minded who want to learn) here: http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html "As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts."
08:48 PM on 02/23/2012
Shows the immense power of carefully scripted and applied propaganda...
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oneeasyrider
E=mc2: From light you exist
12:22 AM on 02/24/2012
No doubt, you don't understand scientific process, but you do have the ability to project what you know most about yourself and the Fox disinformation network.
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A. Siegel
08:52 AM on 02/24/2012
Yes, that too many people in the public think that there is some form of massive debate and controversy in the scientific community when, in fact, the vast majority (actually, near unanimity) of scientists with relevant expertise agree on the core issues even as there is a lot to know about details. (Will Global Warming drive more tornadoes? How fast will Greenland ice melt? Etc ...)
10:56 AM on 02/24/2012
I was under the impression that there was overwhelming agreement on the notions that there has been global warming since 1800 and that human activities have contributed to this increase. The extent to which human activities and to what extent they have/will contribute is quite undetermined and in fact is at the core of the continuing discussion. It's unfortunate that politicians and others derive support for their pet ideations/projects by extending this agreement beyond the bounds where it exists.

"This warming will create significant harm if left unchecked."

The presupposition that it can be checked, presumptively by human action, requires further development. The BEST (Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature) project provides discussion as to the difficulties of analyzing temperature increases, so I am cautious about this point. I feel that it is prudent and useful to implement policies and develop technology to reduce all possible contributions to climate disruption. This would include particulate emission reduction, reversing deforestation, efficient farming techniques (just turning soil emits substantial CO2) and dampening rapid and unsustainable population growth among others.
02:37 AM on 02/28/2012
The Earth hasn't warmed in 10 years, despite predictions it would continue to increase. Jimmy Hansens models from the early 90's all over estimated the amount of warming that would occur. Antarctica set a record sea ice area in 2008 and still hovers at the top, the Arctic has grown back despite predictions in 2007 of 'ice free summers' by 2013, now those same people (Al Gore) predict 'ice free summers' in 2018. There is no particular trend in hurricane activity, although current northern hemisphere hurricane activity is below average. New research shows coral reefs thrive in warmer waters, this is evident, despite what the alarmists predicted.

There are many more predictions from the so called 'consensus' that have been wrong. How many times can you be wrong but still claim you have the scientific upper hand? Or is it okay blatantly lie and say 'global warming is happening faster than previously thought' every three months, but continue to push the goal posts back on failed predictions?

Failed predictions, time and time again.
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fireofenergy
Promote freedom AND science
08:48 PM on 02/23/2012
We all know oil is running out (except for the wealthy) and we all know that excess CO2 is risky at best. So why are we not implementing a plan?
At first, people will propose all sorts of challenging alternatives (as I did) like solar, wind and its requirement for a large amount of extra capacity and storage, however, we need build the source with the best EROEI, and a transportation plan void of liquid fuels!

These are advanced nuclear and lots of electric mini rail.
Let's get the word out before it's too late!
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A. Siegel
09:06 AM on 02/24/2012
Interested in your comment as to 'lots of electric mini rail'. I am a proponent of rail electrification and see how we can have a nodal system with trams / etc (such as France is implementing) that can enable people to use electric transportation for work / shopping / etc while proving them electricity to get to interurban electric rail. Is that what you are talking about?

And, well, I don't see that there is a single source with "the" best EROEI. Solar PV, for example, makes tremendous sense (already) in areas with good sun and reliant on oil for much of their electricity (e.g., Hawaii) while not nearly as sensible in EROEI terms in areas with mediocre sun and existing low-cost clean electricity (such as the US Northwest ...). We can play this against all cleaner energy sources -- wind turbines great in areas with good wind and transmission lines, lousy in areas with mediocre wind. Etc ... Re electricity, an outline concept that I wrote years ago that might be of interest: http://getenergysmartnow.com/2010/08/01/america-can-break-its-coal-addiction-or-no-coal-isnt-necessary/
07:24 PM on 02/23/2012
"There is a strong scientific consensus supporting the scientific Theory of Global Warming".

Consensus is an extremely pernicious development that should be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agree on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.

Consensus has nothing whatever to do with science. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator how happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke from with the consensus.

There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.

The greatest advances in science in the past centuries have been from scientist who broke from consensus and were ridiculed and dismissed for it.
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
11:46 PM on 02/23/2012
No contrarians have been able to discredit the theory because their arguments don't hold up.
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
11:59 PM on 02/23/2012
Consensus builds BECAUSE contrarian arguments don't hold up.
11:52 AM on 02/24/2012
In past centuries fever after childbirth killed one out of six women. In 1795, Alexander Gordon suggested that the fevers were infectious processes, and he was able to cure them. The consensus said no. In 1843, Oliver Wendell Holmes claimed puerperal fever was contagious, and presented compelling evidence. The consensus said no. In 1849 Semmelweiss demonstrated that sanitary techniques virtually eliminated puerperal fever in hospitals under his management. The consensus said he was a Jew, ignored him, and dismissed him from his post. There was in fact no acknowledgment or acceptance of their ideas or evidence until the start of the twentieth century. Thus the consensus took one hundred and twenty five years to arrive at the right conclusion despite efforts of the prominent “skeptics” around the world, skeptics who were demeaned and ignored. And despite the constant ongoing deaths of woman.

The examples can be multiplied endlessly. Jenner and smallpox, Pasteur and germ theory. Saccharine, migraine, repressed memory, fiber and colon cancer, hormone replacement therapy…the list of consensus errors goes on and on.

Consensus is invoked in situations where the science is not solid enough. Those who state that man is the largest contributor to climate change should not use “consensus” as proof of their claim. The science is far from settled and anyone who claims otherwise has an agenda. That applies to those who support and those who refute anthropogenic global warming.