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A. Siegel

Posted February 16, 2009 | 12:16 PM (EST)

Scientist's Caution About Caution Distorted by Distorters


Dr. Vicky Pope, the head of climate change advice at the Met Office Hadley Centre, wrote an opinion piece for the Guardian. Scientists must rein in misleading climate change claims that, sadly, equates (without naming names and without putting out specifics) those speaking strongly about Global Warming in relation to specific weather events or about trends (specifically Arctic Ice) with ASS (anti-science syndrome) promoting Global Warming deniers.


News headlines vie for attention and it is easy for scientists to grab this attention by linking climate change to the latest extreme weather event or apocalyptic prediction. But in doing so, the public perception of climate change can be distorted. The reality is that extreme events arise when natural variations in the weather and climate combine with long-term climate change. This message is more difficult to get heard. Scientists and journalists need to find ways to help to make this clear without the wider audience switching off.

Pope concludes by affirming the Theory of Global Warming, "The scientific evidence is overwhelming." Did Pope not realize that the ASS-sufferers would conveniently forget to discuss those words while using here as a hammer to decry 'global warming alarmists'?

However, rather than challenging bad reporting on global warming impacts or media reporting simply not even suggesting that global warming has a relationship to severe weather events/situations or Will-fully deceptive opinion pieces, it is sad that Pope has chosen to use 15 minutes of fame to attack those trying to raise the alarm about global warming's quite serious implications and the need for action as some equal to global warming deniers in their distortion of the science. The fact is that, almost without exception, the changes that we have actually seen over the past twenty years have outpaced the predictions from climate scientists. If anyone had been stating, 15 years ago, that we would have seen 10,000s die in a European heat wave, the massive heat wave and fires in Australia, Hurricane Katrina's wrath (well, that was predicted), the extent of Arctic ice retreat, how far north birds have shifted, insect-infested boreal forests, etc, there seems no question that Pope would have called them 'alarmists' or distorting the science. And now?

Basically just hours after this OPED, attendees at the American Association for the Advancement of the Sciences (AAAS) annual meeting in Chicago heard that Pace of Climate Change Exceeds Estimates

The pace of global warming is likely to be much faster than recent predictions, because industrial greenhouse gas emissions have increased more quickly than expected and higher temperatures are triggering self-reinforcing feedback mechanisms in global ecosystems, scientists said Saturday.


"We are basically looking now at a future climate that's beyond anything we've considered seriously in climate model simulations,"


Again, Considering how hard it is to gain 15 minutes of fame, it is sad that Pope chose to devote her time to urge caution in discussion when, it seems, her issue about "apocalyptic" warmings is over timing, not extent of issue. For example, she cautions against speaking of Arctic ice disappearing in the near term even while stating that the Arctic will be ice free before the end of the century. It seems her caution is arguing over angels dancing on the head of a pin.

Pope is absolutely accurate that this is a complex situation, difficult to explain, "difficult to get heard."

Sadly, Pope provides little direct evidence as to supposed exaggerations and doesn't point to any specific person that merits being sent to the same circles of Hell reserved for global warming deniers willfully seeking to forestall sensible action to mitigate global warming. And, actually, with the one case that she points to, what is going on with the Arctic ice cap, she seems to be challenging the results from the real 'ice experts' at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which are quite apocalytic themselves. As Joe Romm put it,

In any case, Hadley thinks the Arctic will be ice free later this century on our current emissions path -- so I guess it is a case of Apocalypse now versus Apocalypse later.

Let us be clear about Pope's views. Her question and issue seems to be how to discuss global warming, how to discuss global warming's relationship to specific events, and whether people are overstating near term effects. But, on global warming itself:

When climate scientists like me explain to people what we do for a living we are increasingly asked whether we "believe in climate change". Quite simply it is not a matter of belief. Our concerns about climate change arise from the scientific evidence that humanity's activities are leading to changes in our climate. The scientific evidence is overwhelming.

"The scientific evidence is overwhelming ..."

Despite this clearly stated end, as above, Pope's discussion is misguided in tone, which not surprisingly is providing ammunition for those fighting against any action to reduce global warming's impact and fighting, with all their strength, to confuse people about science and promote ASS (anti-science syndrome).

Misleading reporting within The Guardian

So, following the Pope's reasoned and restrained op-ed, of course her words were discussed with restraint and reason, ensuring the people understood that she was not calling into question whether global warming existed or whether humanity has a role. Of course ...

In The Guardian, itself, David Adams authored 'Apocalyptic climate predictions' mislead the public, say experts

Experts at Britain's top climate research centre have launched a blistering attack on scientific colleagues and journalists who exaggerate the effects of global warming.

I'm sorry, even if disagreeing with the tone/focus, reading that OPED doesn't get me to "blistering attack ..."

And, the equivalency argument is one that Adams emphasizes

The Met Office Hadley Centre, one of the most prestigious research facilities in the world, says recent "apocalyptic predictions" about Arctic ice melt and soaring temperatures are as bad as claims that global warming does not exist.

Let us be clear, it is possible to read the scientific evidence differently. That there is global warming and that humanity is a significant fact is now as close to fact as one can get in science (a very, very strongly supported scientific Theory that has stood up to serious examination after examination. But there are serious disputes (debates) about the extent, nature, and speed of impacts. But, there is a difference between debating 'details' and rejecting core.

Thus, it is perplexing that Pope is arguing that those who (evidently) disagree with her on extent/nature/speed and seek to make a clarion call for action to reduce Global Warming's impacts based on their concerns are equivalent to those who call for an absolute rejection of science, who reject the Theory of Global Warming, and who knowlingly distort evidence -- and do not honestly deal with those who callenge them.

Sigh ...

"Having to rein in extraordinary claims that the latest extreme [event] is all due to climate change is at best hugely frustrating and at worse enormously distracting. Overplaying natural variations in the weather as climate change is just as much a distortion of science as underplaying them to claim that climate change has stopped or is not happening."

Let us be clear, it is insane to write that any event was "all due to climate change". People who are serious about global warming simply don't say or write that.

And, are "extraordinary claims" anywhere as well funded or as assiduously distributed as the deniers' material?

In reality, where is Pope's balance in the reporting? Adams at least provides this:

"Both undermine the basic facts that the implications of climate change are profound and will be severe if greenhouse gas emissions are not cut drastically."

Thus, while Adams includes material, buried in the center of the article, for understanding that Pope is no skeptic, but is concerned about how people speak re the issue of climate change, her strong statement re the reality of Global Warming doesn't make it into Adams' article.

But, even any hint of Pope's science falls out of the deniers' discussion

Senator James Inhofe (R-Exxon) and side-kick Marc Morano certainly couldn't have let this pass. And, Adams write-up provided sweet material to work with. Thus, the press release is entitled with Adams' misleading description of the OPED.

Climate of Change: UK Met Office Issues 'Blistering Attack on Scientific Colleagues' For 'Apocalyptic Climate Predictions'

Inhofe / Morano then add

"The record-breaking losses in the past couple of years could easily be due to natural fluctuations in the weather, with summer ice increasing again over the next few years," Pope explained.

Of course, perhaps it was due to space constraints, Inhofe and Morano forgot to provide any indication that Pope doesn't question Global Warming, that she rejects their rejection of science. Since they couldn't find the electrons to bring that to readers' attention, lets revisit Pope's conclusion:

Our concerns about climate change arise from the scientific evidence that humanity's activities are leading to changes in our climate. The scientific evidence is overwhelming.

"The scientific evidence is overwhelming ..."


Dr. Vicky Pope, the head of climate change advice at the Met Office Hadley Centre, wrote an opinion piece for the Guardian. Scientists must rein in misleading climate change claims that, sadly, equat...
Dr. Vicky Pope, the head of climate change advice at the Met Office Hadley Centre, wrote an opinion piece for the Guardian. Scientists must rein in misleading climate change claims that, sadly, equat...
 
 
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11:35 PM on 02/20/2009
Oh Oh....Arctic Ice data collection flaw. You may want to rewrite part of this article.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aIe9swvOqwIY
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
06:37 PM on 02/21/2009
You must not have read the entire article, which states that, even after the data is corrected, sea ice area is still diminishing. Nice try to cherry-pick, though
07:40 PM on 02/19/2009
One thing universal among the global warming denial crowd is their consistency in taking data or quotes out of context and ignoring the rest . The spin on the Vicky Pope article is an example.
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JScott
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11:25 AM on 02/19/2009
So... how's the NIF comin along? (google it)
05:32 PM on 02/18/2009
Dios mio! The world is coming to the end real soon!!
To build this alternative fuel infrastructure will take LOTS of carbon based (so called "fossil"
because a good part of it is abiogenic) fuels adding more carbon dioxide (plant food) into the
atmosphere. People starving because of food diverted to make biodiesel! Amazon deforestion (killing trees that love co2) to grow sugarcane to make ethanol! Denmark and Germany just figured
that their vast array of wind turbines did not put a dent in the production of carbon dioxide of their countries. Ay! Ay!! Ay!!!

And with this global finance collapse, who will build this alternative fuel infrastructure? We are so screwed!!!

Meanwhile, I am planting some banana trees in Alaska.
05:40 PM on 02/18/2009
Read your comment twice. Can't make any sense of it. If you want to make a point I suggest you try again and pay attention to what you are writing.
05:49 PM on 02/18/2009
What the frak is your point?
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04:49 PM on 02/18/2009
Dr. Pope's comments appear very timely, especially in regards to Arctic sea ice.

The NSIDC website has announced today that satellite sensor errors have been causing it to under report the actual amount of Arctic sea ice over the past two or three months. While corrections have not yet been completed, it appears that when they are, the accurately reported sea ice will be close to the average sea ice for the period 1979-2000. Rather than the arctic ice disappearing, as some alarmists have predicted, it appears the Arctic ice is well and recovering from the low levels of 2007. The polar bears are safe.

Just how this Arctic Sea Ice recovery is to be explained, as more evidence of man-made global warming, remains to be seen.
03:58 PM on 02/18/2009
It is speculation, of course, but I wonder if Pope is not responding to the constant barrage of attacks on science by some in the media, by some politicians and by global warming deniers. There is a very vocal group of critics, who simply have no understanding of science, waiting to pounce on any little mistake made by any climate scientist. There is no offsetting constant chorus of kudos to offset the negativity. Is it any wonder that scientists might tend to be on the conservative side in making public statements? This sad state of affairs is not to be blamed on the vocal critics, rather the blame rests with the majority that are always willing to let others stand up to the bullies.
12:18 AM on 02/18/2009
Hey, I have an idea! Since we're not sure about the exact link between human activities and climate change, let's just keep doing what we're doing until the climate change is so obvious that we can't ignore it! Then we'll know for sure.

But really, it can't be happening. How could putting more and more CO2 into the atmosphere possibly have any effect on the atmosphere? I mean, it's so big! It's the atmosphere! It does crazy things all the time!

And speaking of things that are big, how about that ocean? It is huge! I'm sure that no matter how many fish we catch, there will always be more fish. I mean, the ocean is so big, I bet there's a kazillion fish in there! Even if there's no fish over here right now, I'm sure they just went somewhere else for a while. Fish are crazy, you know! Just never know what they're gonna do next.

That Mississippi River sure is ginormous too, ya know. I don't really see why we bother with sewage treatment plants and the like. I can't see how we could possibly add enough sewage to, like, kill any fish or whatever. I mean, the Mississippi river is just that big. And doesn't sewage just sort of magically evaporate when it touches water? That's why we have flush toilets, right?
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09:41 AM on 02/18/2009
One path to dealing with waste has been 'dilution'. Well, we'll dump the sewage into a large enough body of water so that the implication, per gallon, will be so minimal as to be irrelevant. Without even getting into the issue as to whether or not we know all the impacts of those "minimal" amounts on humans and other aspects of the ecological system, milligram by milligram eventually becomes grams. Those grams can add up to kilograms. Eventually that "diluted" pollution moves to something worth paying attention to, no?

Consider running a car in a sealed garage (asphyxiation of driver) or outside (basically unmeasurable impact on a global, atmospheric scale). We've been "diluting" our carbon pollution into the atmosphere for generations. We've passed the point of this dilution working to make it no longer an issue.

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Great comment. Thanks.
05:43 PM on 02/18/2009
Pure satirical snark, my friend.

Humans have yet to register that we have exponentially increased our numbers to the point that anything we all do is going to have global impacts on the biosphere.

It makes me think of the 19th century Europeans who arrived in the new world and saw fish so numerous you could practically walk across a river on their backs, and flocks of birds so vast they blocked out the sun.

"So many animals," they thought, "We could never possibly dent their numbers." And they proceeded to slaughter indiscriminately. Now the passenger pigeon is extinct, among many others.

Humans can indeed change the world. The question is how we choose to do it.
08:09 PM on 02/17/2009
Can't global warming be a good thing? I mean the average temperature in Siberia has risen from -40 F to -38 F over the last 100 years. Let's not be alarmist about this. More debate is a good thing right? Let's not silence those whom you disagree with.
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realpolitic
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09:30 PM on 02/17/2009
Well, underneath much of the Siberian tundra is permafrost. According to Professor Heiko Balzter, "Large amounts of greenhouse gases are currently locked in the permafrost and in organic soils, and if released could accelerate the greenhouse effect."

"The frozen bogs of Siberia are melting, and the thaw could have devastating consequences for the planet, scientists have discovered. They have found that Arctic permafrost, which is starting to melt due to global warming, is releasing five times more methane gas than their calculations had predicted. That level of emission is alarming because methane itself is a greenhouse gas. Increased amounts will therefore accelerate warming, cause more melting of Siberian bogs and Arctic wasteland, and so release even more. 'It's a slow-motion time bomb,' said climate expert Professor Ted Schuur, of the University of Florida."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/10/russia.climatechange

http://www.aibs.org/bioscience-press-releases/080828_thawing_permafrost_likely_to_boost_global_warming.html
12:06 AM on 02/18/2009
Ask the Tuvaluans.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,505819,00.html
03:11 PM on 02/17/2009
That's right, we need to muzzle everyone with whom we disagree. This is "progressive"?
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realpolitic
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09:12 PM on 02/17/2009
Yes, but "scrutinizing" means actually reading the science, Ubi, and not just right-wing, easily dismissable blogs. What you define as "muzzling" is our attempt to correct the record after right-wingers post a bunch of psueo-information as facts.
12:08 AM on 02/18/2009
If by "muzzle," you mean "subject to rigorous fact-checking and logical analysis, rejecting scientifically unsupported theories, in an open and free exchange of ideas," then yes.
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01:41 PM on 02/17/2009
Like you, when I read Pope's statements I was sorely disappointed.

We don't need people like her opening their yaps.

I happen to be one of those (working in Earth Science) who has long said that the predictions my colleagues have been making are too conservative, and time after time, I've been proven right (along with others who share my view). But the old-timers simply can't believe what us younger folks are saying - they were brought up to believe that climate change happens over eons when, simply, we don't know anything of the kind because the science isn't good enough to nail down precise dates for various changes that have occurred in the past...
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02:31 PM on 02/17/2009
"I happen to be one of those (working in Earth Science) "

You dig ditches, right?'

I've caught you in so many egregious exaggerations, some bordering on outright lies, it is difficult fior me to believe that you have any academic credentials greater than an Associate Degree.


" because the science isn't good enough to nail down precise dates for various changes that have occurred in the past..."

Your kind of 'science' hasn't been doing particularly well with the present either.
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doriath22
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06:00 PM on 02/17/2009
As a whole, the predictions have been on the conservative side. However, more importantly,the set of phenomenae collectively described as "climate change" ARE a bit difficult for the average Homer to grasp. Most people have a pretty hard time with basic calculus or even the concept of orders of magnitude. So, climate change denial isn't that hard to understand. The consequences of overpopulation/industrialization are not in the least pleasant to contemplate. It's far easier to grasp at any straw (It's all a hoax, people!) that lets you off the hook. The facts are pretty grim, but that's not going to stop a lot of people who simply don't get it from wishing the problem away.
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09:43 PM on 02/17/2009
Here is an example of conservative estimates by IPCC:

"Now a new study by V. Ramanathan of the University of California, San Diego, published online this week in Nature Geoscience, finds that soot may be more than twice as potent a warming influence as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change estimated last year."

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/soot-in-the-greenhouse-and-kitchen/

"Mark Meier of the University of Colorado at Boulder analyzed information about glacier volumes worldwide, from several thousand years ago to the present, and studied the last 40 years in more detail. He estimates that sea level is likely to rise perhaps twice as much as the International Panel on Climatic Change (IPCC) recently predicted. "

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=22244

"One of the most concerning aspects of recent data is evidence that, in some places, the Arctic Ocean is losing sea ice 30 years ahead of current IPCC predictions."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/10/20/wwf.climate.report/index.html


"Newly elected Vice Chair of the IPCC and climate scientist, Jean-Pascal van Ypersele said. "It is clear that climate change is already having a greater impact than most scientists had anticipated, so it's vital that international mitigation and adaptation responses become swifter and more ambitious."

NL, read it and weep!
11:37 AM on 02/17/2009
Hopeless are the determidly helpless. One cannot successfully appease the irrational or unkind. Espectilly one cannot hope for fairness while taking responsibility for the falsification perpetrated by goal oriented misleaders. State simple truth simply,
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08:47 AM on 02/17/2009
Remember Greenberg's Law Of The Media, "If a news item has a number in it, it is probably misleading."
08:39 AM on 02/17/2009
Well, we can always tell them "told you so!"
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A. Siegel
09:52 AM on 02/18/2009
A much better option ... would be to have concerted global action to then have my grandchildren teasing me 60 years from now as Global Warming turned out to be not such a great deal (as they walk down the block to the electric tramway, to go to the MagLev line that wisks them to a meeting at 300 mph+, powered by a variety of clean energy systems; with their food coming from agricultural plots that are hyper-productive because of the richness of the Agro-Char enriched soil which is where a huge amount of CO2 has been sequestered, helping bring CO2 levels below 350 ppm), etc ... Much better, in this case, to have people laughing at us decades from now rather than having the right to say "I told you so." (Sort of like Y2k. There was a real potential for real problems -- people got scared, took this seriously, and invested seriously to avert the problem. After no serious problems, many like to laugh at those who raised the alarm and who took the situation seriously).
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realpolitic
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03:39 AM on 02/17/2009
While no particular whether event can be tied to climate change, scientists tie the increasing incidence and intensity of extreme weather events to climate change. Most conservatives do not invite a real discussion of the science. They attack Al Gore or some other strawman. They ignore 99% of the scientific findings and discuss some researcher paid by the petroleum industry whose findings contradict established science. They argue with bogus lists of names from someone's website. It is all part of some liberal agenda to them that comes down to a governmental body wanting to reduce carbon emissions and reduce growth, which somehow equates to socialism to the far right. And we know socialism is bad. Well, green industries can be a big job producer. Like many other basic industries it needs government subsidies in the beginning. All in all, though, disinformation is the norm for conservatives and why they seem to have such license to rearrange facts is beyond me.


http://www.worldwildlife.org/who/media/press/2008/WWFPresitem9361.html
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realpolitic
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09:07 PM on 02/17/2009
I meant to say "weather event"....
MGhamma
Reality is 100% biased!
03:30 AM on 02/17/2009
What did you expect? The denier arguement is based on taking one piece of data out of context and building a fantasy around it. But it doesn't have any staying power. After a while, the facts just kill it. That's why they've started recycling old talking points. They think that after a year or 2, everyone forgets, so they can start all over again. It's like the movie Groundhog Day. Every day, you have to start the arguement over from the beginning. It's rather silly.
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11:00 AM on 02/17/2009
What they do is recite "facts" and "data", confusing people who don't focus on the issue and sounding ever so reasonable. In a 'debate' format, there are very few scientists / those who understand and work within the scientific method who can actually stay up with and effectively rebut those who aren't really concerned with staying with truth. Sadly, the "staying power" is the ability to confuse those who don't really have the energy / time / inclination to look into this. Thus, when media reporting focuses on "fair and balanced" rather than "objective and truthful", people pick up a false idea of scientific debate. Which is the confusion that the deniers / delayers wish to foster.
02:34 PM on 02/17/2009
A challenge. Let's see if you can manage it.

Come to NewsBusters forum and debate me 1:1 on the subject.

We will see how well your ''Science' stands up.
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10:21 PM on 02/17/2009
You are right! The supposed conflict over the science is a media creation. Many of the same conservative "think tanks" who used to try to tell us that smoking was not harmful for us have now adopted the anti-climate change science mantra.


In a recent study among scientists, scientists were asked two questions:

1. When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures
have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?

2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing
mean global temperatures?

"Results show that overall, 90% of participants answered “risen” to question 1
and 82% answered yes to question 2. In general, as the level of active research
and specialization in climate science increases, so does agreement with the two
primary questions."

"It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the
role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand
the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf
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10:00 PM on 02/17/2009
MGhama, the right-wing lives for fantasy narratives and false information. They make an industry of it. You would think that once they've been misled a time or two they would go to different sources, but they never do. They love being misled as long as it backs their preconceived views.