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Aaron Belkin

Aaron Belkin

Posted: December 2, 2010 04:24 PM

Back when Senator John McCain was a straight talker, he said that if military leadership ever told him that repealing "don't ask, don't tell" would be in the best interest of the forces, then he would change his views on the matter.

That was then and this is now.

Today, top brass went beyond what any currently-serving military leader has every said about discrimination against gays and lesbians. According to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen, the gay ban "fundamentally undermines who we are" and repealing it would make the military better. Secretary of Defense Gates also said that the ban should be lifted.

In response, Senator McCain and other Republicans fabricated phony arguments left and right. The 28 percent response rate to the military's survey on gays, they said, is too low and renders the results invalid. Forget the fact that that's about average for web-based as well as military surveys. Forget that any social scientist will tell you that response rates have nothing to do with the validity of a survey's results as long as the pool of respondents is drawn properly. In this case, the military's survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 1 percent.

Then Republicans said that they just want to be sure not to rush things. Rush!? The Pentagon has been studying the issue for almost a year. There were more than 20 prior studies, all of which found the same thing, that gay troops don't harm the military. "Don't ask, don't tell" was supposed to be a temporary compromise when it was enacted 17 years ago. And, the first soldier fired for gay sex was drummed out of the Continental Army more than 230 years ago! How much slower do the Republicans want to go?

Then the Republicans repeated the only phony claims about combat effectiveness. Sure, a bunch of combat troops say that repeal would undermine combat effectiveness. But saying something is going to happen is not the same as showing that it is going to happen. Service members in foreign militaries also said that gays would undermine combat effectiveness, but when gay bans were lifted in those countries, there was no impact at all. And get this: of the 69 percent of U.S. troops who serve or suspect they serve with gays, 92 percent said that repealing the ban would not undermine their unit's ability to work together. If gays undermined combat effectiveness we would have seen that already in Iraq and Afghanistan (and for that matter, Kuwait, Vietnam, Korea, and World War II, all of which included openly serving gay troops).

My favorite baloney of the day was the Republican talking point that the Pentagon Working Group failed to listen to the troops or ask them whether "don't ask, don't tell" should be repealed. Huh? The troops offered opinions on this and other topics in an on-line inbox that received 72,384 comments, in 95 face-to-face forums at 51 bases that included more than 24,000 troops, and in 140 smaller focus groups. It is true that the survey did not include a question about whether the troops want repeal. But the troops had a lot of other opportunities to express that point. And we already know from three different polls, (Annenberg, Zogby, and Military Times) that approximately 40 percent of the troops oppose repeal, 30 percent favor it, and 30 percent don't know or don't care.

Why can't the Republicans just be honest? They don't care what is good for the military. They don't care about what the Secretary of Defense says. They don't care about what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says. They don't care about the data. They don't care about methodology. They don't care about process. They care about one thing and one thing only: prejudice. And when it comes to prejudice, all they want is more, more more.

 
 
 
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talkstocoyotes
10:56 AM on 12/10/2010
In view of these developments, let's consider restricting front line duty in the military to registered Republicans.
01:12 PM on 12/03/2010
There are many reasons for the decline and fall of a nation, but an important (and often overlooked) reason is its abandonment of religion. Russell Kirk has said that the roots of "culture" come from the "cult." In other words, culture (cult-ure) is based upon some form of religious or spiritual worldview. Egypt was a religious society founded on the worship of nature gods and goddesses. Greece and Rome had their pantheon of pagan deities. And the list of nations in India, China, and other parts of the globe all demonstrate the principle that civilization arises from religion.

And the opposite is also true. When the traditional beliefs of a nation erode, the nation dies. Religion provides the set of standards that govern a nation. Historian Will Durant said, "There is no significant example in history, before our time, of a society successfully maintaining moral life without the aid of religion."

Unfortunately, this nation has embarked on a journey to maintain a society without a religious code. The Ten Commandments are pulled from the walls, and religious values are stripped. We're told if we stand up to our religious values/standards we are bigots.

Christian principles are no longer taught in the public schools and often ridiculed in education and media. You have to wonder what the fate of this country will be in the future.
02:37 PM on 12/03/2010
This revisionist history is alarming. The U.S. was founded as a secular nation. To suggest otherwise is to completely ignore our founding principles.

Specifically what religious value are you standing up for in regards to gay rights? It isn't love, hope, or charity, that's for sure. More likely it's hate, and fear that you are succumbing to.
02:43 PM on 12/03/2010
I think we already know the ultimate fate. We're just trying to prolong it.
12:49 PM on 12/03/2010
McCain is descended from military royalty, both his dad and granddad were flag officers. He is a blue blood; if his dad hadn't pulled strings he would have gotten kicked out of Annapolis and met a flight evaluation board and had his wings pulled.
His voting record for the troops he so deeply cares about is always a nay. He doesn't believe others in the military deserve the same benefits he enjoyed as an officer and child. When he saw he wasn't going to get his star he punched. As a senator he is able to influence what he couldn't as an officer.
11:55 AM on 12/03/2010
For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of John McCain.
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glitz
Campari with a twist...
01:31 PM on 12/03/2010
John McCain has never served with troops. He was a Naval Pilot, during a mission he was the only one in his wing shot down and spent the rest of his time in Service in a Prison Camp. He has never fought with his comrades in arms, he has never led soldiers, he has no idea what soldiers think in a war zone. Why do you trust his judgment on this issue?
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11:30 AM on 12/03/2010
Facts never stand in the way of a good Republican argument. I don't think prejudice is the motivation behind McCain and the others--they are too opportunistic to even have feelings like prejudice, love, hate, fear, etc. They go where the money goes and green is the only thing that sways their views, sometimes making them do flip-flops and contortions. Their wacky base is homophobic and their big money evangelicals are homophobic, so they have to put on a show to prove their loyalty to these degenerates. Money makes weak people do horrible things, and in the US, money is the god of politicians.
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dawlishgal
01:32 PM on 12/03/2010
I suspect you are right. Reagan riled people up with the mostly false stories of "welfare queens with Cadillacs," and ever since the proportion of our collective wealth not in the hands of the top few percent has been increasing. Soon, the people in the bottom 90% will own nothing at all, and the most gullible of them will still be voting for Republicans and coming here to praise John McCain.
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morgansher
just disgusted in general
11:23 AM on 12/03/2010
Last night I watched a replay on C-Span where Gates, Mullen, etc were testifying in front of the Senate about repealing DADT. McCain was clearly angry and barely able to contain himself, wanting to end the hearing and reschedule for a later time. How many hearings do they need? The valor of gay personnel has been known throughout military history going back to the Spartans and Greeks. Of course McCain reversed himself. He's toeing the party line of bigotry and more bigotry. Hardly a maverick!
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TeeGeeCee
life's too short to take small bites...
10:59 AM on 12/03/2010
Quote: "My firm belief is it comes down to tWhy can't the Republicans just be honest? They don't care what is good for the military. They don't care about what the Secretary of Defense says. They don't care about what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says. They don't care about the data. They don't care about methodology. They don't care about process. They care about one thing and one thing only: prejudice. And when it comes to prejudice, all they want is more, more more."

My belief? It's really two things. They are terrified of upsetting their conservative religious fundamental base. But even more than that? I think they find the whole thing, for lack of a better word, icky. They can try & dress it up & twist the facts to suit their own needs, but they really, really, just find the whole idea of, for instance, gays showering next to straights icky and want it all to go away.
12:00 PM on 12/03/2010
There are very few people who say the repeal would be good for the military. The entire focus is whether or not it will severely damage the military. The answer is "we don't think so". Hardly a table-pounding endorsement.
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scrogginsfarms
proud daughter of the american revolution
12:43 PM on 12/03/2010
they care about the 60%+ of those serving front line duty, who oppose the change.
01:15 PM on 12/03/2010
I read this morning it was closer to 72% opposed.
01:27 PM on 12/03/2010
I think this study just showed that your numbers are imaginary. Besides, the numbers were worse when the races were integrated into the military. Soldiers follow orders and if DADT is repealed, they will accomodate.
10:54 AM on 12/03/2010
The only reason McCain said that he would support repeal of DADT in the past was because he was certain that the military leaders would never recommend it. He could *appear* to be considering repeal while actually believing that he would never have to show his true colors. Now we all see him for the hypocrite he has always been. I have never thought that there was a "moderate" McCain, who somehow changed into a conservative. He has always been a self-serving McCain!
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MrsGreebers
10:48 AM on 12/03/2010
How slow do the Republicans want to go? I suspect it's the speed at which Y approaches infinity.
11:55 AM on 12/03/2010
Exactly.
09:36 AM on 12/03/2010
McCain has been flippin' the bird to the military from day 1 at Annapolis.
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scrogginsfarms
proud daughter of the american revolution
12:45 PM on 12/03/2010
lets see you spend five years in a bamboo box!

Nothing is a greater stranger to my breast, or a sin that my soul more abhors, than that black and detestable one, ingratitude. George Washington
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glitz
Campari with a twist...
01:36 PM on 12/03/2010
Oh please..so, because he spent the war in a prison camp..he deserves more gratitude than a gay soldier/officer who has been wounded or given his life in Service to his Country?
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swimbiker
03:26 PM on 12/03/2010
Why does that make him a hero?
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Eugene Skidmore
the real deal
09:02 AM on 12/03/2010
anyone who believed the republicans would ever support the repeal od DADT is delusional. it doesn`t fit thier norman rockwell america, thier re-written history of saint ronnie.now that they control the media, and have the green light for unlimited covert political spending, america will struggle to find its moral compass. if "we the people" allow the demostrably irresposible to lead them to slaughter, the neocon greed machine will continue to roll over us. its getting late folks, time to get serious.
11:56 AM on 12/03/2010
The Republicans with Charlie Rangel.
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LouGots
08:07 AM on 12/03/2010
We need to know something about DADT. A lot of us are talking about it as though it were some anti-gay law passed to exclude people who had been previously included. Quite to the contrary. It was a compromise crafted to allow gays to serve in the military b

y respecting their privacy.

Before DDT, homosexuality per se had been grouinds for administrative discharge. The old Marine Corps Separations Manual dealing with discharges actually defined four "classes" of homosexuals for purposes of separating individuals from the service. Category 1 was tendenciies, no acts; up to Category 4, which meant homosexual rape. In practice, I never even heard of anyone being discharged as a "Category 1 homosexual."

DADT was long after my time so I have no experience of how it works in practice. I can see that it was the camel's nose in the tent, which of course was quite predictable..
08:34 AM on 12/03/2010
Your post shows why DADT is in fact *worse* than the previous ban. No one was really ever discharged for being a "category 1 homosexual", and while there may have been bashings, this is worse. Now we have decorated, respected soldiers and officers being discharged because someone saw them off-duty holding hands with someone of the same gender and finked. The intent of DADT was for the person him- or herself to "keep it to yourself" but in practise from Day 1 they have allowed hearsay by third parties. It has officially sanctioned discrimination by setting the bar that "if it comes out you're gay you are officially gone."

Dan Savage said it best the other day, that Jon McCain's flip flops and desperate maneuvers are so patently false they can ONLY be caused by anti-gay animus... which is the definition of bigotry.
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Turtlenews
09:03 AM on 12/03/2010
John McCain voted against Arizona Observing Martin Luther King Day
08:02 AM on 12/03/2010
"You're either with us or against us." "My way, or the highway." This is what the Republican party has transformed into over the last 60 years. The thust of their politics today is to control every aspect of what a human being can do with their personal life. This does not apply however, to the top 1% who can afford to do whatever they want, when they want as long they keep the repugs in power. If you don't keep in lockstep they will destroy you by any means they can.
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morgansher
just disgusted in general
11:25 AM on 12/03/2010
Exactly, F&F.
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ESJ247
I eat micro-bio with milk.
07:59 AM on 12/03/2010
McCain needs to support Palin and the Republicans radical ideals because he wants to be her VP running mate in 2012.
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marmmalou
You have a voice. Use It.
08:43 AM on 12/03/2010
sadly, I think you may be right.
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Turtlenews
09:04 AM on 12/03/2010
He wants to be appointed to a position in Republican Admin
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
07:49 AM on 12/03/2010
The republicans only care about money, regaining power and making the democrats look bad. They accomplish their tasks by using divisive tactics, misinformation and arrogance, hoping to bully the American people into their way of thinking. It's time to tell them where to go.
12:53 PM on 12/03/2010
Every state where homosexual marrage has been on the ballot, it's been shot down. Well over 75% of the nation has said NO in a very loud voice. Our military tends to lean a bit more to the right than the general population (if you read the Army Times you would know that) at about 84%.

My question is this: Why should 2% of the population (the homosexuals) control what happens nation wide?

so, if you're gonna tell us where to go.. ya better get busy cuz we out number y'all.
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swimbiker
03:28 PM on 12/03/2010
It's called the Constitution. Ever hear of that? This country is NOT run on your religious beliefs. All citizens should be treated equally, not some treated poorly because of your religion.

And stop with the threats. If Congress doesn't overturn the law, the Courts will. There is that "equal treatment" thingy in the Constitution.