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When the NRA Promoted Gun Control

Posted: 10/03/11 10:43 AM ET

Reports indicate that the Obama administration may be considering new gun control proposals to limit the size of magazines or to strengthen background checks on gun purchasers. One thing you can bet on is that the National Rifle Association will oppose any such measures.

Yet it wasn't always this way. Indeed, the NRA used to draft and promote restrictive gun control laws.

In researching my book, Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, I discovered that the NRA used to be far more open-minded on gun control -- and, amazingly, paid almost no attention whatsoever to the Second Amendment.

The NRA was founded by William Church and George Wingate after the Civil War. Wingate and Church -- the latter a former reporter for a newspaper not exactly known for its love of gun rights, the New York Times -- both fought in the War on the Union side. They were shocked by the poor marksmanship of Union soldiers and convinced that one reason the Confederacy was able to hold out so long before surrender was because their soldiers had more experience shooting. Church and Wingate's goal for the NRA was to improve the marksmanship of civilians who might one day be called to serve in the military, not to fight gun control.

These days, the NRA is known for its anti-government rhetoric; Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president, has called some federal law enforcement officers "a jack-booted group of fascists" and warned that "if you have a badge, you have the government's go-ahead to harass, intimidate, even murder law-abiding citizens." Yet it was government largess in the form of subsidies and special sales of discounted firearms that helped the NRA grow in its formative years. Were it not for a generous government grant of $25,000 to buy land for a rifle range by the state of New York -- a modern-day target of much NRA hostility -- the NRA might never have gotten off the ground.

The old NRA also promoted gun control. In the 1920s, NRA leaders helped draft the Uniform Firearms Act -- model legislation for states to adopt that established new, restrictive rules on carrying firearms in public. Karl Frederick, the NRA's president, said at the time, "I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons... I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses." The Uniform Firearms Act only awarded licenses to "suitable" persons with a "proper reason" for carrying and created a waiting period before a newly purchased handgun could be delivered to the purchaser. Today's NRA, by contrast, fights to eliminate these very same requirements.

The NRA also endorsed the first major federal gun control law of the modern era, the National Firearms Act of 1934. During hearings on the proposed legislation, which imposed heavy restrictions on machine guns and other gangster weapons, Karl Frederick was asked how the Second Amendment affected this groundbreaking law. His answer was astounding: "I have not given it any study from that point of view."

Protection for guns "lies in an enlightened public sentiment and in intelligent legislative action," Frederick wrote elsewhere. "It is not to be found in the Constitution."

In fact, the Second Amendment is remarkably absent from the NRA's signature publication, American Rifleman, until the 1960s. You can go to the library and peruse decades of issues and not see any mention of the constitutional provision thought to be the heart and soul of the organization.

All that changed in 1977. That year, the leadership of the NRA decided to retreat from political lobbying and refocus on recreational shooting and outdoors activities. This sparked a backlash among a group of hardline gun rights advocates who were upset that the NRA had endorsed the Gun Control Act of 1968 -- the first significant federal gun legislation since the 1930s. Motivated by the belief that guns weren't primarily for hunting but for personal protection in an era of rising crime rates, the hardliners staged a coup at the annual meeting of the membership, ousting the old leaders and committing the organization to political advocacy.

From then on, American Rifleman featured the Second Amendment on almost every other page.

Next time someone complains about that a modest gun law tramples on the Second Amendment, remind them of the old NRA -- and of a time when even the nation's leading gun rights advocates supported gun control.

 

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04:01 PM on 10/17/2011
The NRA recently called a family member of mine and talk about how Obama was working with China to take away all guns in the US.

I should not have to say anything else about the NRA to show they are not good for this country. Sadly people will never learn.
07:32 PM on 10/07/2011
The NRA's support of certain controls in the past were limited to the restrictions on select fire and fully automatic weapons, not support for the draconian controls that came about in the 60s and 70s. The NRA supported "instant checks" over worthless "waiting periods" in the 90s and still supports them. What the NRA does not support is the drive to eventually outlaw firearms or the violation of the 2nd Amendment by "lip service jurisdictions" like Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, and much of California. Those are the only states that still have the worthless and unworkable "may issue" provision which leaves issuance of concealed carry permits to the wims of local administrators instead of the "shall issue" provision used by 40 other states or the "constitutional carry" provision used by four states. Maryland and a hand full of other holdouts are wrong. Their days are limited and there will be shall issue provisions in those states before they know it.
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Lou Paezovitch
09:54 AM on 10/07/2011
I am a gun owner and have a concealed carry license. Because of this I have been deemed a "good citizen". I also believe that it should be absolutely illegal to sell a gun without a background check. Gun shows allow non-FFL sellers to sell guns to criminals and children (the Gun Show loophole). When I sell a car I make sure the title is transferred out of my name or I remain liable in case of an accident. Why should guns be different? Gun registration should be mandatory.
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grimace71
Dichotomies suck.
11:43 AM on 10/07/2011
Smart private sellers use a form very similar to the one required by the ATF for commercial sales. Smart private sellers require identification, and a signed, sometimes notarized document showing a legal transfer of the firearm. Private sales are subject to all firearms laws (sans the requirement for a NICS check). Which means the private seller must verify that a person is at least 18 to purchase a long gun and at least 21 to purchase a pistol or revolver.

The private sellers performing illegal private sales will do so ANYWAY, regardless of your assertions. Most illegal private sales happen outside the confines of a gun show.....so let's stop calling it "the gun show loophole". That is just misplaced propaganda.

Forced gun registration is the first step towards confiscation.
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HavahappyJ
04:26 PM on 10/28/2011
I agree, but the "right to bare arms" is a right.... Driving a car is a privilege ...... Sates are actually breaking LAW by making LAW ...... I do feel the same about your point .....
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grimace71
Dichotomies suck.
02:55 AM on 10/07/2011
...and American labor unions started out as a wonderful mechanism to offset gross misconduct by our nation's largest employment sectors. Now the American labor unions rob Americans of jobs by forcing business to seek overseas manufacturing sources almost exclusively. The American labor unions have crippled some of the most robust American businesses ever (and have been for over 40 years). Good for them. I am not necessarily against labor unions...but they have morphed and changed as times have changed (as they perceive it anyway).

And then we have the NRA...a group of guys get together to improve the marksmanship skills of Americans and the natural progression...especially in response to the massive increase in fa5cist attempts at complete gun bans...the NRA morphs into an entity desiring to protect the individual right to keep and bear arms.

Oh that terrible, terrible NRA.
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enlightened45
12:26 PM on 10/07/2011
Instituted by that champion of individual rights, Harlon Carter, who infinitely was in favor of civil and other rights for everyone, that is, unless you were a Hispanic teenager who expected to have the right to live. And do you assume that it was mere coincidence that the Cincinnati Revolution was orchestrated at the exact same time that Nixon was working his Southern Strategy magic playing on the fear of all the civil rights legislation that was occurring in this country. Let's discuss bridges and prices..
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04:41 PM on 10/06/2011
We are a very different nation today.
We have a very different Supreme Court today deciding issues in radical opposition from former Courts, including the question of gun ownership.

Former Chief Justice Burger labeled the gun lobby's Second Amendment distortion as a "fraud on the American people."

And Justice William O. Douglas wrote: A powerful lobby dins into the ears of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment ... Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment was designed to keep alive the militia.

Times have changed. Money corrupts.
Money corrupts politics and consciences.
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06:50 PM on 10/06/2011
So because we now have a supreme court which does not agree with your feelings on firearms they are corrupt?

A person who is in favor of less firearm control, and wants to see every man and woman in this country participate in their 2nd ammendment right, could say the same about the supreme court of the past.

You speak of the NRA as if it is a puppet master to the Government. You are wrong. They participate in politics by supporting those politicians who are willing to go to bat for peoples firearm rights. That is one reason why they support Harry Reid.

If you really want to see some good old political contol by independant orgs, look no further than your uninos. Look into the ALCU and see how much influence they have on policy and the way every business in this country has to operate.

You just dislike the NRA because you dislike firearms. Which is your choice, I only ask that if you acuse one group of something don't turn a blind eye to all of the others who do the exact thing you opose by the one.
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09:10 PM on 10/06/2011
"So because we now have a supreme court which does not agree with your feelings on firearms they are corrupt? "

In a nutshell? Yep. That is her position.
10:11 PM on 10/06/2011
She also believes that the NRA paid off the FBI to skew crime statistics.

Seriously.
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molonlabe
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09:18 AM on 10/07/2011
Ah yes.....the "Judicial Activism vs. Will of the People argument."

DW perpetuates the 'progressive' position that when the SCOTUS decisions conflict with anti-gun ideology, it is Judicial Activism. When they rule in favor of a progressive ideology, it is because of the Will of the People.

DW, you better go feed your copy of the COTUS. You wouldn't want it to stop living and breathing, would you?
11:11 AM on 10/05/2011
As a violence policy advocate, it’s important to note that none of what I write is personal conjecture but instead comes from the study of statistics­, polls, and opinion found through research of web sites on the Internet. It’s come to my attention that gun owners belong to the NRA and are Tea Party Insurrecti­onists Extremist Gunophile Fetishists­. It’s also notable that they will often give up their families, careers, and even their life to have “Wild West” type shootouts over minor disputes such as parking spots or to compensate for some other shortcomin­g. Again, this is not personal conjecture but consensus among the public as verified in the Comments sections of several web sites. That’s not to say that they don’t favor common sense civilian disarmamen­t polices such as the prohibitio­n of AK-47 Assault Weapons since they can now safely be considered Weapons of Mass Destructio­n, and have no civilian use, or the reasonable ban of Glock brand machine pistols since they have no militia use and therefore, are not protected by the Second Amendment. This informatio­n comes from recent polling and a quick search will show that to you. Of course we shouldn’t overlook high power, armor penetratin­g , 9mm ammunition as well. I would like to join my peers and urge legislator­s to Dis the Deadly Myths and Reclaim the Constituti­on, by proposing sensible and reasonable policies that register and eventually disarm the public though no one is talking about handgun bans.

http://tin­yurl.com/4­k346he
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hagagaga
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12:14 PM on 10/05/2011
On rare occasions, you're funny.
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didbblejr
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07:27 PM on 10/05/2011
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah

LMAO

Those so called "shootouts" over parking lots arent happening now so you have a crystal ball?

Us gun supporters have a better chance at lifting all bans than you do disarming us.
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12:40 AM on 10/06/2011
"G NBanner"'s oft-repeated posts consist entirely of satire. He affects belief in gun control for the merriment of his associates, who would certainly mock your gullibility, if you weren't one of them.
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07:27 AM on 10/05/2011
I agree with DreamWeaver2nd.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
09:29 AM on 10/06/2011
With which specific statement issued by DreamWeaver2nd do you hold agreement?  Did you agree with her statement, issued in February 2010, wherein she used the term "gun fetishists", or do you agree with her statement issued in Augist 2010, wherein she denied ever having used the term "gun fetishists"?
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02:47 PM on 10/06/2011
I agree with her use of "gun fetishists. Didn't see the other and it doesn't bother me.
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05:27 PM on 10/06/2011
Hello Ossit:

Yes, Dimensio compulsively stalks me with his insults and fabrications. Is it his job to lie about other posters, or does he do it voluntarily? I don't know. It is the way the gun team operates .

Imagine, he's obsessing about something he said I said February 2010 on October 6, 2011 (what is the word for that behavior?). His disinformation tactics are relentlessly used to cast doubt on posters who disagree with the gun lobby. We are targeted.

Anyway, in 2010 I said that I thought "fetish" is too soft a word to define the behaviors of the subjects, I don't use it for that reason. The problem is much worse, much wider than "fetish" could possibly cover. It's really "sociopathic" because of the irresponsibility and abysmal lack of concern for the safety of our families and our communities. USA has more gun deaths each day than all the other industrialized nations in the world combined.

Thanks for supporting me. The gun team is on the threads all the time with non-stop attacks. I don't have the time to catch them all. I do know the gun lobby's reputation precedes them with community members, mostly.
01:21 AM on 10/05/2011
The once sensible NRA has been overtaken by gun apologists.
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05:14 AM on 10/05/2011
What is a gun apologist?  Is that someone who apologizes for the misdeeds committed by guns?
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08:10 AM on 10/05/2011
No . It is someone who makes excuses for America's appalling glut of guns, and for the epidemic of violence it has enabled.
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05:21 AM on 10/05/2011
There's much more to it than that, friend. Here's a great article about the aggressive political push the NRA undertook in the mid-1990s. Hostile. Covert. Today, the NRA is part of ALEC with the Koch brothers as they go about shredding our Constitution and economy and political system. Check it out. Excellent read. Alarming.

Political Snipers
http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=political_snipers

The National Rifle Association knew its stance on assault weapons was unpopular, so in 1994 it went underground, took advantage of loopholes in the campaign finance laws, and waged a stealth campaign to unseat Democrats in vulnerable districts.
NRA integrated itself into the business-Republican coalition, consciously reinforcing the antitax, antigovernment message of the free marketeers that dominate the Republican right.
LAWYERS, GUNS, AND MONEY
What made the NRA such a useful tool to conservatives, of course, was its ability to raise and spend vast amounts of money. In 1994 the NRA was the nation’s single biggest spender on elections. But how did it raise all the cash? Although the NRA’s closemouthed tradition makes answering that question somewhat difficult, interviews with many current and former NRA officials, along with experts on the pro-gun movement, provide a fairly detailed picture-a picture that looks somewhat different from the grass roots, middle-American image NRA officials have nurtured for years.
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12:07 PM on 10/05/2011
DW--once again you ignore history--President Clinton promised the Congresspeople who voted for his AWB that there would not be any fallout for supporting the bill--turns out that the bill cost the Democrats their control of Congress and cost Al Gore quite a few votes in Tennessee and W Virginia. It is a bad sign when the state that a presidential canddate and his father represented in the Senate votes for the other candidate
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DaveNYC
01:50 PM on 10/05/2011
Thanks for the link DW. I enjoyed reading over that article and was a little surprised I have never seen it before. I should note that there are a couple factual issues (like, Tom King is not a democratic political strategist, he is a NRA board member and NYSRPA's president). But an interesting read nonetheless.

It's probably not a huge surprise that I don't agree with a lot of the "spin" on the article. I would characterize 1994 differently, something like: "Pro-gun forces considered the concept of banning firearms to be unacceptable and a terrible precedent, and we did everything in our power to make sure that our elected representatives understood that." Maybe NRA doesn't like waiting periods and background checks at gun shows, but those are nothing compared to a law that absolutely prohibits something that has heretofore been allowed.

The other thing is that by the time I got done with the article, I found myself wondering how much the article was actually about the NRA, as opposed to being about the general power of interest groups in Washington. You could basically write out the same criticism about AARP or the Chamber of Commerce -- the difference is that the issues these organizations are pushing are not as controversial as the issue of guns.

Anyway I did appreciate the link to the article.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
08:54 PM on 10/04/2011
‎"...if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

Some civilian disarmament advocates have attempted to justify themselves while stereotyping all supporters of the Constitution by saying "what would Jesus do?"

I think the above quote answers the question sufficiently.
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09:54 PM on 10/04/2011
The appropriation of Jesus' teachings in the advancement of an agenda is nothing new. Genocidal crusaders have used them to absolve themselves of their atrocities for centuries.
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David Carson
08:26 PM on 10/05/2011
fluffyguffy--you always need to find some reason to insult people--it is time for you to leave your attic hideaway and start meeting people. If you are as fit and intelligent as you claim, you should have no problem enlisting and doing well in basic and AIT
10:04 PM on 10/04/2011
Ah, but Jesus then continued, It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. (Luke 22:35-38)

So, 12 disciples, plus Jesus, and 2 swords is enough. Maybe you should rethink what Jesus is teaching. Especially in light of his other statements about weapons.

Matthew 26:52: Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
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05:26 AM on 10/05/2011
The NRA misconstrues, deconstructs, everything and everyone - even Jesus, to suit their agenda. They rewrite history. The Constitution. The Bible. That just doesn't seem right, but they do it all the time. (I think they feel "entitled" for some bizarre reason.)
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
08:39 PM on 10/04/2011
In 1928, Germany made it so that any of the "subject races" caught possessing arms would be shot. Regardless of what government we have, we need that right to protect ourselves from what the government could become.
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10:01 PM on 10/04/2011
This is flat out wrong.

In 1920, in compliance with the Treaty of Versailles (after losing WWI) Germany severely restricted gun ownership.

In 1928, they loosened these restrictions, but required registration.

In 1938, Germany restricted gun ownership for Jews, but loosened gun ownership regulations for everyone else significantly.
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05:31 AM on 10/05/2011
You are correct. The gun lobby is flat out wrong. There team supports every misrepresentation -
Thank you for commenting.
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didbblejr
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03:30 PM on 10/04/2011
The "Best" Gun Control would be "NO CONTROL AT ALL"

I own many, many firearms primitive and modern. I would like the bad guy to know that if he ever intended to do harm to myself, my family or my property that if he doesnt kill me first he will die. If in my house he will meet my .50 Beowulf AR-15 and I highly doubt he will survive.

It would be a great day if control on all weapons was lifted that way the criminal will think twice about committing a violent crime. Imagine the criminals eyes when he breaks into your house and is met with a fully automatic weapon.
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Retired, finally...
04:16 PM on 10/04/2011
Fanned and faved!!
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02:06 PM on 10/04/2011
While the NRA was founded as a marksmanship driven group not too dissimilar to the modern Appleseed organization, it fairly rapidly became primarily a shill group for the US gun industry (an accusation that continues rather erroneously today). The 1920 quote appears suspect, and based on the application of it, it was in reference to concealed carry only which is a cultural anachronism that has reversed (was open carry=normal concealed carry=sneaky, now open carry=shocking concealed carry=discrete). Both major gun control acts supported by the NRA are blatant protectionist acts that favored domestic arms manufactures over foreign imports and war surplus.

That the NRA did not have the support of it's members is painfully evident in the leadership turnover during the 70's. The NRA betrayed it's membership and since the membership has a representative control over the NRA, it should be no surprise that the direction changed so much. The continued change in the NRA is also a reflection of it's members. To point to the NRA of the early to mid 20th century as somehow being hypocritical is completely missing the point of why it changed so much. The fact that the NRA couldn't bring itself to even recognize the 2nd amendment during that time was the problem and the solution was the change that took place. Arguing that ignoring an amendment is historically aligned seems rather self defeating as I am unconvinced that a purposeless amendment would be passed. Thankfully SCOTUS for all their insanity has recognized that much.
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05:44 AM on 10/05/2011
The NRA doesn't pay attention to its members except as useful cover for what they are really doing. American Rifleman is now a sham. This is the new NRA. The NRA is part of ALEC.

This story is about the changes in the 1990s. I don't think this will make you happy ...

This story leads to the question of how the NRA gets its money in the first place, and here, too, there is more than first meets the eye. Despite its image as a membership organization subsisting entirely on $35 membership dues, the NRA actually collects much of its money in large donations from upper-middle-class and even wealthy supporters. Big contributors, bequests, fundraising dinners, and backing from the gun industry have combined to provide the NRA with a substantial block of funds.

http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=political_snipers
02:22 PM on 10/05/2011
You know that NRA members vote on the direction of the organization, right? The NRA is legally incapable of not paying its members attention. Do you literally make these things up on the fly?

There's no question of how the NRA gets its money, because its financials are published in accordance with IRS requirements. They get over 90% of their funding from individual member donations and membership dues.
10:23 AM on 10/04/2011
The National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation are the shield and spear of the Fundamental Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I wish them both the very best of luck in all their endeavors.
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12:05 PM on 10/04/2011
Shield and spear.....with all those guns available?
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molonlabe
Before you ban it, at least learn what it is.
01:52 PM on 10/04/2011
Logistically, it was easier to put the shield and spear on a logo than a 'clip' and a 'shoulder thing that goes up'.
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
08:47 PM on 10/04/2011
Gun Owners of America: helmet
Second Amendment Sisters: greaves
Jews for Preservation of Firearm Ownership: breastplate

Looks like we have the secondary aspect of the panoply as well.
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molonlabe
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10:16 AM on 10/04/2011
I find it ironic that those who demonize the NRA for not supporting "common sense" gun regulations also ignore the fact that the NRA's Eddie Eagle program has instructed, what, about 24 MILLION children about the dangers of negligent gun handling, while gun-ban organizations actually believe that there is no room in America for gun safety education because it's a.....uh.....conspiracy theory:

"The primary goal of the National Rifle Association's Eddie Eagle program is not to safeguard children, but to protect the interests of the NRA and the firearms industry by making guns more acceptable to children and youth. The Eddie Eagle program employs strategies similar to those utilized by America's tobacco industry—from youth "educational" programs that are in fact marketing tools to the use of appealing cartoon characters that aim to put a friendly face on a hazardous product. The hoped-for result is new customers for the industry and new members for the NRA."

http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/eddiekey.htm

That's right folks. Why in tthe world would you want to raise awareness of the dangers of unsafe gun handling when you can just hide guns from children. It works for teen sex and underage alcohol use, right?
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11:17 AM on 10/04/2011
"put a friendly face on a hazardous product"
Where's Joshie-boy's vitriol that should be directed at the producers of Speed Racer and the Transformers, which are clearly aimed at putting a friendly face on extremely hazardous fast cars?
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molonlabe
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01:38 PM on 10/04/2011
The Joyce Foundation guidelines are very clear: Only demonization of civilian gun ownership = funding.
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05:57 AM on 10/05/2011
24 million children is not correct. That's an outrageous number. An outrageous lie. Very coy way of getting the number into your sentence though -- as if it's a thought that came to you on the spur of the moment. (what, about 24 MILLION... WRONG!)

Eddie Eagle is Joe Camel with feathers. The intent to get guns into the consciousness of the next generation of gun buyers. It's a for-profit scheme between the NRA and the gun industry dressed up to look like a safety course. Worse type of hypocrisy.
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08:49 AM on 10/05/2011
"It is with great joy that
The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program,
NRA’s groundbreaking gun accident
prevention course for children, has
surpassed yet another milestone by
reaching its 24 millionth child."

http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/graphics/eagleeye-15-1.pdf

Poor DW. Poor poor DW. That's not an abscessed tooth giving you so much discomfort. It's those facts again.
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02:10 PM on 10/05/2011
OK now wait a second here. The Eddie Eagle programs is definitively a safety program. Based on comments we have exchanged about the NRA -- basically, that it used to be much more focused on training and safety, rather than lobbying -- I would sort of expect you to take a different tack on this. Something like, "the NRA ought to focus more energy on programs like this one."

I have little doubt that NRA cites the Eddie Eagle program as a means of drumming up sympathy and support, but that doesn't change the fact that we are talking about a safety program. I suppose it's true that talking to kids about gun safety might pique some interest in guns, but what's the atlernative -- 300 million guns and we don't teach kids anything? This is starting to sound like the arguments against sex education.
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HavahappyJ
08:38 AM on 10/04/2011
The bad guys will never stop fabricating guns. All the gun shops will just go work for the drug cartels .
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06:33 PM on 10/06/2011
Bad guys?

Guns are not bad, and niether are the people who fabricate them.