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Adam Winkler

Adam Winkler

Posted: December 6, 2010 09:59 AM

Perhaps the most important civil rights issue of the day will be before a federal appeals court this afternoon (Monday). But will gay marriage in California win on a technicality?

After legal all-stars Ted Olson and David Boies, who represented Bush and Gore respectively in the contested election of 2000, joined together to bring suit on behalf of gay couples seeking to overturn California's Proposition 8, both Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown refused to defend the ban on same-sex marriage. The California officials said they thought the law was unconstitutional and nothing in state law required them to defend it.

The trial court judge, Vaughn Walker, allowed two organizations that sponsored the initiative, ProtectMarriage.com and the Campaign for California Families, to step in and mount a defense of the law. Walker subsequently ruled that Proposition 8 violated the U.S. Constitution by denying gay people the fundamental right to marry and the equal protection of the laws.

The initiative sponsors appealed that decision but now they face the real possibility of being removed from the case for lack of what lawyers call "standing." That's a legal principle that requires every party to a dispute to show that they would be affected in some concrete way by the law or by the court's decision. The Supreme Court has long held that simply disagreeing with a law isn't sufficient injury to confer standing.

There's no doubt that the gay couples who brought the case have standing or that the Governor or the Attorney General, had they chosen to defend the law, would have had standing. Whether sponsors of the initiative have it, however, is another matter. In fact, the Supreme Court suggested not long ago, in a case very similar to the one being heard today, that sponsors of an initiative probably do not.

The case was Arizonans for Official English v. Arizona, a 1997 decision involving a challenge to a ballot proposition passed in Arizona mandating official state business to be conducted in English. The governor, however, refused to defend the law and an organization that sponsored the proposition intervened. The Supreme Court ended up deciding that case on other grounds, but suggested that initiative sponsors are not proper parties to defend a state law.

"Standing to defend on appeal in place of an original defendant," the Supreme Court explained, "demands that the litigant possess 'a direct stake in the outcome.' The decision to seek review is not to be placed in the hands of 'concerned bystanders'" but should be left to state officials, like the state's executive or legislators.

Arizonans for Official English and its members, the Court said in a unanimous decision, "are not elected representatives, and we are aware of no Arizona law appointing initiative sponsors as agents of the people of Arizona to defend, in lieu of public officials the constitutionality of initiatives made law of the State. Nor has this Court ever identified initiative proponents as . . . qualified defenders of the measures they advocated."

There may be good reasons why initiative sponsors generally should have standing to defend ballot measures when state officials refuse to do so. The initiative process was designed to empower the people to make laws when state officials refused. The very purpose of direct democracy could be undermined if state officials could simply ignore the voters' will and no one would be able to defend the law in court.

Yet, Supreme Court language, not democratic theory, controls the outcome of constitutional cases. As in Arizona, no statute in California clearly provides initiative sponsors with standing.

If the federal court of appeals decides that the Supreme Court's language from the Arizona case is controlling, the judges will declare that no one involved in the case has standing to defend Proposition 8. The gay couples represented by Olson and Boies would win by default -- and gay marriage would no longer be banned in California.

 

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billy goat
Sniffing Out Bad Cheese Everywhere!
05:34 PM on 12/13/2010
Will a technicality save gay marriage? I don't know if the issue of "standing" is really a technicality. I think it's really part of the crux of this issue. If you cannot show that you are directly impacted, how can you contest something?
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
04:54 PM on 12/13/2010
A win is a win is a win. I don't care if it's a technicality. It's just.
09:15 AM on 12/08/2010
Marriage-equality doesn't need saving. It is happening. It is only a question of when, not whether.

The "standing" issue may well prevent the merits of this case from reaching the Supreme Court. That may delay a nation-wide ruling by the SC. In that event, there will surely be a next case, and when that next case is considered, this case will be cited as precedent.
11:14 PM on 12/07/2010
You can call it a technicality or not having a dog in this fight or not having standing, but the law is that if the ruling can't actually hurt you then you can't appeal it. That happens to be the same question that Judge Walker asked and Charles Cooper couldn't answer: How does marriage equality hurt you? Cooper's "I don't know" helped seal the decision that Prop 8 has no rational basis for discriminating against people who want to marry a person of their own sex.

Apparently "live and let live" leads to the same result whether it's by the high road (on the merits Prop 8 is unconstitutional) or the low road (no one has standing, because no one can be hurt if Prop 8 is overturned).

When this is over, everybody will be equal. Nobody will be more equal than anybody else.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
08:23 PM on 12/06/2010
I hope Prop H8 is overturned by the courts. There is no reason for this prop to have been passed except for bigotry and ignorance. None of those thinking that they have te right to pass propositions and laws such as this have been able to articulate HOW allowing same sex couples to legally marry via civil ceremony will affect them. This is never answered. It certainly wasn't answered in Judge Walker's court and it isn't likely to be addressed at this trial, either.
04:07 PM on 12/06/2010
Initiative passed by popular vote of citizens. I'm guessing they have "standing" as voters to pass a ballot measure by popular vote.

As a former long time resident of CA, it's kinda to be expected that the CA and Fed Dist courts almost immediately find a "legal" precedent to overturn the voters' will.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
04:12 PM on 12/06/2010
Just because voters approve something doesn't mean it is constitutional.
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Bella Lee
06:09 PM on 12/06/2010
Constitution overturns misguided voters
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dbmetzger
03:53 PM on 12/06/2010
Gay Marriage Case in California Court
In 2008 California outlawed same sex marriage with Proposition 8, but a California court found the referendum to be unconstitutional. Today that ruling will be appealed in front of a panel of federal judges. http://www.newslook.com/videos/272024-gay-marriage-case-in-california-court?autoplay=true
02:29 PM on 12/06/2010
This would be a non-issue of government was not involved in the marriage business.

People complain that one special interest has used the government to define for all of us what marriage is..

so their solution...

to have another special interest use the government to define for all of us what marriage is.

This is merely rearranging the membership in an exclusive club that should not exist. Government should not be giving perks and privileges to married couples.

Then you can marry your coffee table for all anyone cares.
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halfpricefaustian
Voted for Obama. Waiting for Godot.
03:49 PM on 12/06/2010
I have yet to encounter anyone making this argument that didn't want government protection in some area. If you really don't care who marries whom, you have no reason to post here.
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PinkoPanther
Checkin' Republican Birth Certificates...
03:54 PM on 12/06/2010
You're 100% right! If persons advocating for their disciminatory policies came to the same conclusion, life in America would have a lot less strive and we would be more like the Founding Fathers had planned.

Much of the hatred comes from persons who say "I got mine so I don't care if you don't get the same".
01:04 PM on 12/06/2010
Deciding on a technicality wont be as helpful to the lgbt community as would a favorable decision on the merits.
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PDinCA
Clarity has reared its ugly head again
01:22 PM on 12/06/2010
There was a favorable decision on the merits. That's what's being appealed.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
05:24 PM on 12/06/2010
That's true, but if the Appeals Court decides that the defenders of Prop 8 don't have standing, the merits will not be reheard or ruled on. In this sense, it would be a win by default.
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ccopas
You say potato I say vodka!
12:03 PM on 12/06/2010
But wait...Don't we want the case to be appealed so that it goes before the supreme court? I thought that is the US Supreme Court ruled prop 8 unconstitutional then marriage equality would become the law of the land? (and not just in California)
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Downix
01:00 PM on 12/06/2010
Actually, you don't need it to go that far. If this works out as it is, and it cannot be appealed further, it creates a precedent. That precedent is what is needed to make it the law of the land.
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PDinCA
Clarity has reared its ugly head again
01:14 PM on 12/06/2010
And I think I'd rather have a solid precedent here than gamble with the current Supreme Court.
01:54 PM on 12/06/2010
My understanding of the case is it is more limited than many writers have made it out to be. The original law was ruled unconstitutional uner the CALIFORNIA Constitution, not the US Constitution. The legal theory for this appeal is that, once it was established as a fundamental right under California's Constitution, then it is insufficient to overturn it with a state constitutional amendment given the 14th Amendment of the FEDERAL Constitution which prohibits the states from infringing the fudamental rights of citizens. In this case, it is a fundamental right as defined by the state constitution, not the federal constitution, so it would remain as just marriage within California.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
11:52 AM on 12/06/2010
Will the Prop 8 case have any impact on the DOMA case?
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Busbydav
If you liked it then you shoulda put 3 rings in it
11:57 AM on 12/06/2010
No, only on the 9 or so states in the 9th circuit I believe. It would have to go to the US Supreme Court to have any bearing on Federal law.
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Busbydav
If you liked it then you shoulda put 3 rings in it
11:59 AM on 12/06/2010
Well.....other cases could point to a Prop 8 victory as precedent though.
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PhilipB
02:05 PM on 12/06/2010
Correct in both comments...it is a no and a qualified yes!
Best regards,
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BigGayInc
11:50 AM on 12/06/2010
I wish we would stop calling it gay marriage and start calling it equal marriage. Just my opinion of course.
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StevenWells
Objects in the avatar are larger than they appear
12:43 PM on 12/06/2010
Hear, hear (although I prefer "marriage equality"...same difference).
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Flip75
What's wrong with my micro-bio?
12:49 PM on 12/06/2010
YES!!! It's just plain marriage we're seeking, not "special rights" or extra benefits. We just want what straight couples take for granted.
04:11 PM on 12/06/2010
Both parties sign a contract enumerating the rights and obligations agreed to. End of story.

If third parties won't recognize the stipulations, sue them. I.e. hospital can admit to room, allow to guide/participate in medical decisions, etc.

Marriage is more akin to a religious rite than a legal right.
11:50 AM on 12/06/2010
Couldn't a similar argument be made that initiative sponsors do not have standing in most cases regarding same-sex marriage? I can't imagine that most opponents of same-sex marriage would actually be affected by it in "some concrete way"
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halfpricefaustian
Voted for Obama. Waiting for Godot.
11:44 AM on 12/06/2010
I'm not sure if the author intended, but saying that Prop 8 opponents might win "on a technicality" belittles the result. Ruling that the Prop 8 proponents do not have standing is a huge thing and a powerful precedent. It establishes that opponents of gay marriage are not harmed by gay marriage. Ruling that one side is harmed by these laws and the other isn't makes defeating them so much easier and changes the whole tenor of the debate.
12:56 PM on 12/06/2010
Exactly what I was thinking. The author missed that point entirely. Rather than 'direct democracy being undermined'... this serves as a check against mob rule, ensuring that the majority cannot pass laws that only affect the minority. Far from being a technicality, this goes straight to the heart of the conservative argument against gay marriage. If they can't even prove that gay marriage will affect them, how can they argue it has a negative affect worthy of corrective legislation?
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PhilipB
03:25 PM on 12/06/2010
Fanned for that.
Best regards,
04:14 PM on 12/06/2010
Please, laws against child molestation affect only a minority.

This is about a minority who want rights available to them through contracts - each party's rights and obligations.

However, rather than that, this is turning into another example of the Orwellian manipulation of language where a word HAS A MEANING and wanting to change that meaning doesn't do so.
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Jdaddy1951
11:36 AM on 12/06/2010
Sort of like waiting for Christmas and not knowing if the package with your name on it has a wonderful thing that you've been wanting or just a lump of coal.