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Yes, Wal-Mart Is Too Big to Sue

Posted: 03/29/11 09:05 PM ET

You have your answer now, in case there was any doubt.

When the U.S. Supreme Court votes in late June to decertify the class of low-income women who are suing Wal-Mart for sex discrimination, here is what the public will conclude from the media headlines:

  1. Wal-Mart has been found not guilty of unfair treatment of its women workers -- when in fact the case was on the issue of "standing" of a class of plaintiffs, not really the merits of the evidence.
  2. The case dragged these low-income women through the courts for ten years, and in the end the Big Corporation beat them.
  3. Wal-Mart can now continue to pay women lower wages with impunity, because the "Janie Q's" -- as Wal-Mart calls its female employees -- are going to get nowhere pursing their cases individually. These women will become legal untouchables once this class action is shattered.
  4. Wal-Mart politically is too big to sue, and all the other corporate giants that filed amicus briefs in support of Wal-Mart are also too big to sue.

After the first day of oral arguments, the media concluded that Wal-Mart had won. NPR, for example, said the Justices had created a "wall of doubt" about the plaintiffs' claims of discrimination, and that the Dukes plaintiffs had been "bombarded" with tough questions by the justices. According to one Forbes op-ed piece, the plaintiffs' lawyer was "roasted."

In a press release last month, the plaintiffs argued that Wal-Mart had "a corporate culture that is rife with gender stereotypes," with "highly subjective policies enforced on a daily basis by its Home Office to ensure consistency in results." This tension between subjectivity and consistency seemed to trouble the Supreme Court. "Well, which is it?" Judge Antonin Scalia asked the plaintiffs. Either individual managers are on their own, "or else a strong corporate culture tells them what to do." The United Food & Commercial Workers have urged Scalia to step down, since his son works for a prominent Wal-Mart law firm that deals with employment issues.

Justice Samuel Alito seemed to suggest that Wal-Mart's employment profile was "absolutely typical of the entire American workforce," so if Wal-Mart was in violation of gender discrimination laws, then so was the entire retail industry. Even if that were true, does that mean that the workers at Wal-Mart have lost their right to litigate for gender equity? If every employer is wrong, does that make discrimination in this case right?

Analysts in the media are suggesting that this large class of women does not have enough legal glue to be bound together as a class. They are suggesting that even though the lower courts found enough "commonality" in these women's situations to certify them as a class, that the Supreme Court will not, and Wal-Mart will be able to walk away from their "associates" claiming that it was local renegade managers who wronged them, not the company. Wal-Mart wants the public to believe that managers 'do their own thing' and that this multi-billion corporation is run like a large unruly family where Father Knows Nothing. We used to call such a portrayal corporate deniability.

Some observers will no doubt want to wait a couple of months to see how the Bush-dominated court rules in this case. But based on what I've seen from the justices already, the writing is on the Wal.

This is perhaps the strongest argument why Wal-Mart needs to have a union. With collective bargaining in place, these 1.5 million 'associates' would have been able to tell their local managers that the sexual pay and promotion discrimination had to end. It's the only way to balance out the enormous power managers clearly have over the workers who were forced to sue them to get their attention.

Al Norman is the author of The Case Against Wal-Mart, and is the founder of Sprawl-Busters.

 
 
 
You have your answer now, in case there was any doubt. When the U.S. Supreme Court votes in late June to decertify the class of low-income women who are suing Wal-Mart for sex discrimination, here is...
You have your answer now, in case there was any doubt. When the U.S. Supreme Court votes in late June to decertify the class of low-income women who are suing Wal-Mart for sex discrimination, here is...
 
 
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12:30 PM on 03/31/2011
The author of this article says that when the Supreme Court votes in June, the headlines will be X. I'd like to think there will be headlines. But as I search for coverage on the case today, there are in fact relatively few headlines about it (even this blog is a few days old). I have to wonder why, since it is such an important precedent-setting case. For anyone interested in the case, Democracy Now! had a great show *today* where they interviewed the lead attorney for the plaintiffs, Joseph Sellers, and one of the original plaintiffs, Stephanie Odle. When you learn about the details of the promotion practices, you will want the case to go forward for the plaintiffs. Here's a link to the show: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/31/supreme_court_hears_weighs_massive_suit
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Cool Bam
12:24 PM on 03/31/2011
Shouldn't we be in an uproar for Ginsberg to recuse? She worked for a litigant in the case (ACLU) and would appear to have a bias. How is this different from Thomas's wife working at Heritage? It would appear to be a much more direct link.
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garymc8
We got OBL- not gop
10:41 AM on 03/31/2011
BOYCOTT WALMART NATIONALLY. MAKE A FISCAL IMPRESSION ON THEM LONG BEFORE JUNE. ORGANIZE EVERY WALMART ON THE SAME DAY. MAKE THEM CLOSE EVERY WAL-MART IN AMERICA OR UNIONIZE, LIKE THE WALMARTS IN CHINA.
01:50 PM on 04/02/2011
I never have shopped "said corporation" because of their unfair business and employee practices. Every time a new case of alleged illegal business practices comes to light I am only further convinced that my choice to continue with my decision to individually boycott their corporation was, and is, a correct one. Unfortunately this type of behavior runs thick throughout most corporations, none are altruistic, they are in the game for Profit. I have to reconsider shopping at the department store that is synonymous with Bullseye now too because of their discrimination of homosexuals...
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tlcpro
Work is not work when you love what you do.
09:07 AM on 03/31/2011
I remember when I was a member of the United Food and Commercial Worker's union, and a new Wal-Mart was being built next to the store I worked in. Many employees went over there looking for better pay and came back not having accepted any position there because they would fire anyone who entertained the thought of unionizing. Unions protect workers and Wal-Mart employees need a union to fight for them. I didn't even bother to look for a better paying job there. I enjoyed the union membership I had.
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bluepond
person
07:33 AM on 03/31/2011
Anyone who can possibly avoid working there, should. Anyone who can possibly find an alternative to shopping there, should.
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
01:35 AM on 03/31/2011
Damn dirty low down and shameful Wal-Mart! You know the female employees may decide to boost their wages in an equally dirty low down and shameful manner by appropriating pricey merchandise. Maybe Wal-Mart will reconsider its position, or else. Just thinking out loud......
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
07:12 AM on 03/31/2011
I was talking to a Wal-Mart employee this evening (too poor right now to shop anywhere else) and she said once she broke her arm on the job and Wal-Mart didn't pay her a dime! The same thing happened to my husband. The insurance he paid faithfully every two weeks was worthless--when he needed it, it didn't pay a dime.
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garymc8
We got OBL- not gop
10:45 AM on 03/31/2011
That was an on the job injury and should be covered by their workers comp policy. If walmart does not have a workers comp. policy in place they are in violation of labor laws. You should have gotten 66 and 2/3 rds%(per wk) of a 52 wk average of your income, from the last 12 months. If you didn't-GET A LAWYER AND SUE THEM.
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
10:16 PM on 03/31/2011
Read garymc8's comment below, he "beat me to the punch" with the same advice I would have given you. If your husband and the Wal-Mart employee were injured while working then Wal-Mart should have put them both on workman's comp, no 2 ways about it.
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Mister Grumpy
An Angry American
12:59 AM on 03/31/2011
Yep......... the corporations have purchased the best government for the money.............
12:55 AM on 03/31/2011
Yes, this class action suit cites a small number of plaintiffs. But if you have any doubts about Walmart's discriminatory employment practices, look at the statistics. They have vanishingly small # of female managers and they make less than their counterparts. All the way up the ladder. Talk to women who have worked at Walmart. Try reading Barbara Ehrenreichs Nickeled and Dimed - she does a great job of describing the games that Walmart plays to keep people off of benefits, mess with scheduling to punish any pushback when they violate federal laws on breaks or timecard tampering. Those of you who are on here defending Walmart as an employer of so many people, need to take an honest look at what they provide, which in many cases is not a living wage. So yay, they give 'jobs' to thousands of people, a large percentage of whom don't earn enough or get enough regular hours to have health insurance, who make so little that they need food stamps and section 8 for housing. So those awesome jobs are costing YOU and ME tax dollars, while Walmart cashes in on cheap labor. Wake up.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
07:15 AM on 03/31/2011
F/F Everything you say is true. When I was still working at Wal-Mart, there were notices up in the break room with information on food stamps, medicaid, food stamps, etc. These people have NO conscience whatsoever. And making sure the workers are scheduled to work less than full-time is de riguer. There was a lot of shady crap going on when I worked there--i'm sure there still is.
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garymc8
We got OBL- not gop
10:47 AM on 03/31/2011
The waltons are worth over 20 billion each. Like the koch bros, they could give away 80% and still live like kings for 450 years. Why do they have to be so DESTRUCTIVE TO THE LOWER CLASSES? Does it make them feel superior?
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edgarcaycedoc
08:13 PM on 03/30/2011
I read our very local paper this morning, and it is obvious you are right. The case is closed. The "gang of four (and sometimes five)" are united in their intent to prop up the corporatocracy.
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Rene Epicurus
Illegitimate ghost of H.L. Mencken
07:45 PM on 03/30/2011
If there must be "restrictions" on "rights" to unionize and sue, and therefore restrictions on livelihoods and harsh standards of accountability for "natural persons" (real people, not "unnatural persons" like corporations, governments, and churches), then it follows that similar restrictions and standards of accountability should be proportionately MORE strict and harsh for "unnatural persons".

That would only be logical, if, our legal system was based on "reasonableness", justice, and any fair scale to proportion. But don't expect my arguments to be presented to the SCOTUS Conservative Catholic Five any time soon.

It's reached the point where the only thing that will bring the "Beast of Bentonville" (WALMART) to it's knees (other than Ninja Anarchists), is another bigger beast that is even more rapacious, cruel, unfair, hypocritical, and inhuman.

I’ve just about given up on any recourse or relief from all three branches of our government “Of, By, For the Peopleâ€.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
07:22 AM on 03/31/2011
Fanned and faved. "I’ve just about given up on any recourse or relief from all three branches of our government “Of, By, For the Peopleâ€. Sadly that became a bad joke years agol
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garymc8
We got OBL- not gop
10:48 AM on 03/31/2011
Of the corp, by the corp for the corp-SMALL "a" aMERICA
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Mr Sick Of Greed
07:19 PM on 03/30/2011
i will say this again, there would be no damn wal mart if people never shopped there to begin with,
but wal-mart was genius in their price plan to make sure they eliminate all competitive business' around them...so sad...talk about woman's rights....where are they now in this court which is supposed to be supreme, what a joke
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notakochdealer
Repugs are mean as rattlesnakes.
11:48 PM on 03/30/2011
I never shop there, and you are so right. People dont shop at Walmart!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
07:32 AM on 03/31/2011
As soon as I can afford not to (and that will happen when my husband starts working in a couple of weeks or so) I told him I will not set foot in a Wal-Mart again. I will also urge everyone I know not to shop there, either.
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relians
the interconnectedness of all things
07:13 PM on 03/30/2011
wal mart, i've never been in one, and i never will be.
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Mister Grumpy
An Angry American
01:00 AM on 03/31/2011
Unfortunitely......... for every one that won't shop there......... there is a hundred that will............
01:29 AM on 03/31/2011
That is exactly right. And that is why the formidable economic weapon of the "boycott" will never work in America. People will place their cheap creature comforts before absolutely everything else. We have built a soft, pliable society, easy for corporations to chew and spit out.
06:54 PM on 03/30/2011
It's still Bush's fault! Even though his last year in power was 2008, he's still the dems scapegoat for everything that goes wrong today.

Seems to me Obama has already made some appointtments to the Supreme Court too. But according to this "newsworthy?" source, it's a George Bush dominated court.

Will the dems ever take responsibility? haven't they figured out this is the kind of nonsense that got them trounced in the 2010 elections?
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Mr Sick Of Greed
07:21 PM on 03/30/2011
just because Bush has been out of office for 3 years does not mean the consequences and ramifications of his idiotic and absurd policies does not mean it no longer matters or affects anything....talk about stopping the spin......
07:46 PM on 03/30/2011
How many of the 9 justices were appointed by Bush? 2. Obama has already appointed 1 which directly offsets 50% of the Bush appointments. So there is a net gain of 1 justice, and that makes it a Bush appointed court??

You're right though, the effects of some policies do linger, like the Democratic House and Senate dominated policies from their 2006 victory which, even though swiftly corrected 4 years later, is still resulting in an anit-business environment. Crippled the economy in 2008 and is still crippling job creation.

At least Obama is using US taxpayer money to create oil drilling jobs in Brazil - so we can then pay to import that oil into the US.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
08:21 PM on 03/30/2011
Well considering that's he's the one who appointed the two most activist justices in history..... Yes, he shares some of the blame for the actions they take to destroy America.
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attilathehoneycom
a conservative in the digital
05:53 PM on 03/30/2011
You are wrong. That is the same argument used against the tobacco industry and down they went. WalMart is not to big to sue. If you knew what goes on behind the scenes with employees, vendors, etc, you would be stunned.They have no scruples and it's sad because the founder of WalMart was a decent man and understood what people wanted. So he gave them a good product at a fair price and everyone who did business with him liked him. Not so today. WalMart is the terrorist of the retail world. Just remember, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.Do I shop there? Sure, but I'd never buy groceries made in China nor would I buy drugs because God only knows what is in the filler for the generic drugs. They squeeze their suppliers until the supplier finds revenge by using materials that would not be acceptable by medical standards.
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01:32 AM on 03/31/2011
WalMart runs on money. If you shop at WalMart, they're running on YOUR money, and they'll do whatever they like. You can be part of the solution or part of the problem -- there is no middle ground.
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Sean Laney
01:01 PM on 03/31/2011
It is not really realistic to talk about starving the WalMart beast. They are too big for anything short of a nationwide riot to take them down. We can influence them, though. They do a few good things, like:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/14/us-walmart-environment-idUSN1324792520080314
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attilathehoneycom
a conservative in the digital
11:58 AM on 04/01/2011
If you stop shopping at every retailer who is abusing Americans in one way or the other, you will find yourself between a rock and a hard place. Those words, 'you can be a part of the solution or part of the problem...there is no middle ground.' is a great concept but impossible to implement because everyone and everything in this world runs on self interest, i.e., politics, charities, religion, etc. I have worked with the Mass Merchants and all of them are a click away from WalMart. Most charitable foundations spend more of our donations on their marketing and their high salaries than those targeted for help...ditto religion and politics.
The solution begins in our own backyard. In short, being an example of good ethics, morals and principles to our children and others.That is a solution. The divorce rate in this country is 60%. What does that say about us as a nation?

Look at the low level of television shows and my point is made. All of the above are driven by man's insatiable desire for more for less and of course, sex and vulgarity without paying the price. We also set poor examples for our children by breaking our marriage vows and engage the kids in the parent's bitterness. How to be a part of the solution? Be a good human being. We are defined by the promises we keep.
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bluepond
person
07:31 AM on 03/31/2011
Why even set foot on their property?
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Opening Shares
05:30 PM on 03/30/2011
"...the plaintiffs argued..."highly subjective policies enforced on a daily basis by its Home Office to ensure consistency in results." (Judge Antonin Scalia): "Well, which is it?"...This tension between subjectivity and consistency... "

What tension? The policies are subjective and therefore consistently yield discriminatory results, as would be borne out in proof of discrimination. WalMart certainly isn't going to write discrimination into it's policies, so it makes them subjective so they can be interpreted ad hoc by managers et al; and are thereby creating a means to allow discrimination. While it would do a lot to help the plaintiffs case if someone like an executive came forward and said: "Yeah, we all talked about how people who have a pair big enough to discriminate get promoted," the plaintiffs representatives don't have any duty to prove that much, just that a pattern of discrimination exists and they were merely presenting how this could take place.

Put another way- The policies allowed for various interpretations and when the discriminatory result that WalMart wanted came from certain interpretations those were the ones that were rewarded.

Judge Antonin Scalia is using semantics to bully the underdog, whom it would be reasonable to assume the lawyers representing the plaintiffs would be, WalMart being the mega-corporation that it is.