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In Love With Marie

Posted: 05/31/11 02:40 PM ET

For the last three years, I've been in love with another woman and my wife doesn't seem to mind, largely because the woman in question was already dead two years before I was born.

I've been submerged in the world of Marie Curie while writing a play about a tumultuous time in her life 100 years ago. I've read everything about her I could find, studied her scientific papers, and even walked the streets in Paris from where she taught at the Sorbonne to the apartment where she had an affair with her lover -- hoping to discover just how breathless she might be when she got there. One day, I was shown through her lab at the Curie Institute, where a page from her notebook (written on the day she discovered radium) is hanging on the wall, behind glass. The young man showing me around the lab swung back the glass and held a Geiger counter up to the page -- and it clicked like a tap dancer.

That click was, for me, the rhythmic pulse of Marie's courage. She must have known at some level how dangerous radiation was, but she wouldn't admit, even to herself, that she was in danger. She may have had to exist in a state of denial to accomplish what she did: she opened up the field of radiation, coining the word radioactivity; she not only found two new elements, she found a new way to find them, using the tools of physics. Shovelful by shovelful, she dug through tons of slag, boiling it down over several years to isolate polonium and radium. She never gave up. Not in the face of discouragement in the inevitable blind alleys in her research, and not in the face of a merciless press that lionized her at first and then turned on her viciously when she broke the social norms of her time. After her husband Pierre's death she was devastated. The love of the brilliant but unhappily married Paul Langevin seems to me to have brought her back from her depression, but when their affair became public knowledge it nearly cost her a second Nobel Prize.

There were times while I was writing her story when I too stumbled down blind alleys. They can't be avoided, and they can be dark and threatening. That's when I would remember Marie's quiet, steely determination to move on no matter how many times she stumbled, and it would give me strength. She kept me going, and that's one of the things I love her for.

It may seem frivolous, even disrespectful to talk about loving Marie, as though I insist on seeing her in a personal way, and not just as the supreme scientist she was. She, herself, would have objected, I think. But for those of us who are not scientists, yet hunger to understand science more deeply, the personal, the human, is our doorway.

Too often, we think of the scientist as a disembodied being, as pure intellect operating in a dimension uninhabitable by the rest of us. The fact is, they're fellow humans -- often way smarter than us, but having the same longings, flaws and aspirations that we do, and I suspect that the best way to meet them is through their humanity.

I've come to this thought after spending much of the last 20 years working in the gap between science and the rest of us. I interviewed about 700 scientists in freewheeling conversations for eleven years on the PBS television series Scientific American Frontiers. I helped start the Center for Communicating Science at Stony Brook University, where we offer young scientists training in the skills of communication. And for the last four years I've helped mount the World Science Festival in New York ("RADIANCE: The Passion of Marie Curie" will have a special reading there June 1st, where the audience and I will see Marie and her world come to life in the hands of seven extraordinary and celebrated actors). In all of this, it's the simple humanity of the scientist I've been hoping to discover and share with others. There's a good measure of science in "Radiance" (science thrills me; it's the greatest detective story ever told), and I've tried hard to make the science as accurate as possible, but I've tried always to tell a story.

We're highly social animals -- I'm told by scientists that what makes us different from other animals is an acute social awareness, which is what has made us so successful. The ability to read faces and tones of voice 0- to read, in a way, one another's minds -0 seems to be one of our most valuable attributes, enabling us in earlier times to spread technical innovation. Why then, I wonder, would we ignore possibly our most valuable asset when telling the story of science? Clarity and accuracy are vitally important in communicating science, and acknowledging the flesh and blood of scientists themselves. Their emotional life, their excitement and wonder as they face the mystery of nature shouldn't dilute that accuracy -- it should only make it more vivid.

So, yes, I love Marie. And I hope that you'll love her, too.

 
 
 
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04:34 PM on 06/05/2011
You're right. It's frivolous.
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gutenmorgen
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04:09 PM on 06/05/2011
The reason why we do scientific research is because our genes tell us to do so.
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11:54 AM on 06/05/2011
Thanks for your article, Mr. Alda. Science is exciting, and in the rush of discovery, we forget about the people and personalities involved. The way we do science says a lot about us and the society we have built together - it shows us to be forward looking, and with some hope for a better future (after all, what would be the point of scientific discovery and learning if you didn't feel there was a future to be had?).

I look forward to your next article!
Linda from Deerfield
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10:18 AM on 06/05/2011
The two of them -- Marie and Pierre, madly in love, capable and passionate about their science -- were my youthful ideal.
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10:55 PM on 06/05/2011
Agreed! but they both were being slowly killed by the very radium the discovered. A lesson for the current nuclear power folks, if ever there was one.
Linda from Deerfield
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10:29 AM on 06/06/2011
Tee hee, you're making me wonder whether there's a lesson in there somewhere about the wisdom of decisions we make when life seems to be going great.
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07:23 AM on 06/05/2011
When a colleague of Curie's died, they discovered mysterious burns on his chest. It turned out he had been carrying raw uranium around in his shirt pocket.

I admire scientists, but really, did it occur to any of them that there might be consequnces to messing around with something so dangerous? That someone might weaponize the stuff (as they inevitably did)?

Scientists always claim to be exempt from the moral/ethical aspect. I wonder if perhaps they should be.
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05:53 AM on 06/05/2011
Contemporary institutionalized bureaucratic organization, I think, put a big, dampening roadblock on the passions to discover for our best and brightest scientific thinkers. Too bad, too; for them and, especially, us all.
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01:45 AM on 06/02/2011
Alan my friend. I see you are up to your usual mischief... helping us all to see what we don't see and hear what we don't hear. Thank you for being such a pathfinder in educating us all about science and how it applies to each of us personally.

All the Very Best to the gang at the World Science Festival. I'm posting to a few social media sites to get the word out again this year.

Kind regards,
Allan Hunkin

(btw... you still owe me a dinner in NYC :)
03:49 PM on 06/01/2011
Well written, Mr. Alda. I definitely can't say that I'm "in love" with Nikola Tesla, but he is, in my estimation, a true Prometheus on whose shoulders we all stand on. Marconi stole no less that 17 of his patents to plagiarize wireless communication. I can commiserate with your feelings and appreciate the fact that you have brought this fascinating woman to those of us who are past school age...
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04:37 PM on 06/05/2011
Every scientist "stands on the shoulders" of his or her predecessors and that is also true for the Curies who might not have studied radioactivity had they not worked in the laboratory of Henri Bequerel the discoverer of puzzling "emanations" from uranium. Bequerel, in turn, "stood on the shoulders" of Julius Roentgen whose photo of his wife's hand with X-rays probably caused an "aha moment" when Bequerel noticed the blackening of his photographic plates stored together with uranium ore.
09:03 AM on 06/06/2011
Very true. Tesla himself gave credit to others whom I cannot remember. As far as Mrs. Roentgen, she, her husband and Edison's young assistant all developed cancer from the incredibly high levels of radiation that early x-ray experiments produced. After the death of his assistant, Edison refused to be x-rayed for any reason whatsoever.

Can't say that I blame him!
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12:45 PM on 06/01/2011
If we (America) had this reverence and respect for science and learning, we wouldn't be where we are today. Somewhere along the way education became "uncool" and hence we have geeks, generational descendants of "eggheads." We rank something like 17th in science compared to other nations. Consider also that in the percentage of people who disavow evolution, we rank only second to Turkey. The Space Program is going into dormancy. In terms of evolving as a species/culture, there is no upward trajectory and even signs of regression.
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04:49 PM on 06/05/2011
I have done research on lunar samples provided by the Apollo program. What you call "dormancy" of the Space Program has nothing to do with the state of education in our nation. At the end of the Apollo program NASA had no clear idea of what to do next and unwisely opted for the terrible shuttle cum space station program which has yet to deliver scientific results commensurate with the gigantic costs of that ill-begotten enterprise. Meanwhile non-manned exploration is yielding truly decent amounts of new knowledge. It can only go dormant if Congress decides to kill it.
Defenders of the shuttle and space station always point out that the Hubble telescope was repaired by the shuttle but fail to tell us how many new and better Hubbles could have been built and launched with the costs of their pet-program. Many.
11:40 AM on 06/01/2011
Very interesting article. Marie Curie's science revolutionized the world in ways that extend far beyond what most scientists are able to achieve in their lifetimes. It made possible work of Fermi, Einstein and others who stood on her shoulders.

She is far and away a very much under appreciated figure in human history and I strongly suspect that this biography may well provide not only a look into the fascinating life of Marie Curie, who is among the rarest of the rare to have received two Nobel prizes, but also into ourselves and how the modern age views scientists and their impact on civilization. Given the tremendous number of changes to our world that Marie Curie ushered in, this is a very important topic indeed.

Thank you Mr. Alda for the very interesting post. Keep up the good work.
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gutenmorgen
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04:53 PM on 06/05/2011
You are absolutely correct that she is sadly under-appreciated. The reason, I believe, is that the then over-hyped potential medical wonder of radium never came about whereas the nuclear weapons on which Fermi and Einstein spent their energies still populate our planet because they work.
10:50 AM on 06/01/2011
Highest praise to Mr. Alda for his unique human approach to remembering Marie Curie as
the selfless pioneering scientist that she was. You touch the heart of this scientist.
10:31 AM on 06/01/2011
I've loved her since I saw that old black and white movie about her on cable one night. Such perseverance!
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10:30 AM on 06/01/2011
I think science and humanity would be well-served were you to be cloned. Imagine a world where millions of like-Alans cheered and emulated scientists rather than sports stars! Where women were heroines to men! Thanks for being a grand example, Alan, of a 'real' man in your life as well as in the roles you've played.
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09:40 AM on 06/02/2011
Great post!

Number one.
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01:05 AM on 06/05/2011
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10:26 AM on 06/01/2011
Bravo for the article....and break a leg!
10:06 AM on 06/01/2011
not every brain in the world of theater arts loves to talk of people we now call geeks. Todays generation would trade nothing for some passionate obra about super intelligence of decades ago coming to life on stage, but your determinations must have been some kind of Madame Curie's and a round of applause Sire. You are a scientist in your own right.