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Progressives in Middle Eastern Exile?

Posted: 02/ 2/11 11:13 PM ET

You are a progressive, and you have been arrested and are being expelled from your country. You are brought to the airport, and given just one minute to decide upon your destination, your country of exile. There is a catch, however. You must choose from one of the following five Middle Eastern nations: Egypt (at least before the ongoing upheaval), Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Israel.

You have only this one minute to make up your mind.

Perhaps you are not only progressive, but also gay. Or a woman. Or both. Maybe you are an atheist. Or a liberal Christian. Or a Jewish progressive.

Your time is almost up.

What do you choose?

If you wanted to live in a democratic state with women's rights, where gays and lesbians can live openly and march in pride parades, where you have freedom of religious expression -- well there was only one good choice.

If you are a progressive who sees Israel as the greatest violator of human rights in the world, as a pariah state rightfully deserving to be far more frequently censured by the United Nations than any other state, as the one nation that should be the target of an international boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement -- did you, perhaps, still choose Israel as your home in exile?

Or, do you continue to believe that Israel is a worse criminal than the other four (singly or combined)? That the Palestinians are merely victims of an unprecedentedly brutal Israeli regime? That the lack of not only Israeli-Palestinian peace, but the lack of Middle Eastern peace, is a result solely of Israel's intransigence and criminality? That ideally, for there to be true justice, the obstacle named Israel must disappear?

If, however, you are a progressive who believes in the values of freedom of speech and religion and the press, in women's and gay and lesbian rights, then perhaps you might not wish Israel out of existence so quickly. Perhaps you would find it a more welcoming home in exile than your other options. An imperfect home, no doubt, but one where you would remain free to express your dissent.

It's true, of course, that the authorities in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would all allow you to express criticism openly. Well, that is, if you limit your criticism to Israel and Jews. But should you wish to advance the causes of gay rights, or freedom of worship, or freedom of the press, or democratic reform, then your convictions might not be so welcome. (With the revolution in Egypt, we will have to wait and see what emerges, but I would not bet on the blossoming of a liberal democracy.)

Progressives ought to come to terms with this juxtaposition. They ought to question, within progressive circles, the almost unconsciously reflexive singling out of Israel for condemnation, the efforts to delegitimize its existence in a way not applied to any other nation in the world. When progressives -- and I count myself as a progressive -- can get to such a point, when we can analyze Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in an international context, then we might be able to engage in constructive criticism instead of demonization. And then we can all take part in a serious conversation of what it will take to bring peace -- and full international recognition at the United Nations -- for both the Palestinians and the Israelis.

 
 
 
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11:31 AM on 02/04/2011
I'd rather be a Jew in Iran, than a Palestinian in Israel, Jews are protected in Iran.

""Today Tehran has 11 functionin­g synagogues­, many of them with Hebrew schools. It has two kosher restaurant­s, an old-age home and a cemetery. There is a Jewish library with 20,000 titles.[17­] Iranian Jews have their own newspaper (called "Ofogh-e-B­ina") with Jewish scholars performing Judaic research at Tehran's "Central Library of Jewish Associatio­n".[53] The "Dr. Sapir Jewish Hospital" is Iran's largest charity hospital of any religious minority community in the country;[5­3] however, most of its patients and staff are Muslim.[54­]

The Constituti­on of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-admin­istration and one member of the 290-seat Majlis is elected by only Jews. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues­. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadineja­d. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducatio­n is allowed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Current_status_in_Iran
02:40 PM on 02/04/2011
You should try a test. Try walking down the street with a yumulka covering your head in any Arab capital, or in Iran. See what happens. If you survive, try walking down the street in Tel Aviv with a kaffiya on your head. Report back to us on your experience.

I doubt that you would survive and hour in any Arab or Iranian city, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. Here is your chance.
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10:42 AM on 02/04/2011
"You are a progressive, and you have been arrested "

Exactly what happens to Palestinian non-violent groups, and then the IDF thugs murder them, like Gaza Freedom Flotilla massacre.

"Bil’in has become an internationally recognized symbol of Palestinian unarmed and largely nonviolent resistance to Israel’s controversial separation wall and continued settlement expansion. Thousands of Israelis, Palestinians and international supporters including former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Mahatma Gandhi’s grandson, Desmond Tutu and Naomi Klein have joined in Bilin’s weekly demonstrations since they began. The village’s struggle is the subject of a riveting documentary, “Bil’in, Habibti,” by Israeli filmmaker/activist Shai Pollak.

Israel has responded to the international attention on Bil’in with a campaign of repression which has included waves of arrests, daily night raids, repeated use of high velocity tear gas projectiles against protesters (resulting in the death of Bassam Abu Rahmah in 2009 and countless injuries) and the use of military courts to persecute the leaders of the popular committee against the wall. According to Adv. Gaby Lasky, Abu Rahmah’s lawyer, “Soldiers have killed and injured dozens and hundreds of protesters in the attempt to stop the Palestinian popular struggle, but have failed. They are now trying to illegitimately use the courts and the legal system in the same way. The international community must take a tough stand on this issue.”

http://josephdana.com/2010/08/criminalizing-peaceful-protest-israel-jails-another-palestinian-gandhi/
10:57 AM on 02/03/2011
I think that the answer lies in the fact that the Palestinians have misappropriated the words and phrases of the progressive left to describe themselves. If the Palestinians admit that they are in trouble because they rejected the UN partition plan in 1947 in hope of destroying nascent Israel, they get no sympathy. If they mischaracterize Israel as a European colony (made of strangely of refugees from Arab countries), then the left lines up behind them. If they lie, and say that Barak's offer of the west bank in 2000 was "bantustans", a charge rejected by President Clinton who was there, then they frame the debate in terms that go against Israel. If the Palestinians admit in English, as opposed to Arabic, that they really want the west west bank as a base from which to launch their next attack on Israel, instead of railing against "the occupation", then the debate is framed differently.

Of course most progressives would never survive in Arab countries. They would either leave or be imprisoned for exercising their rights. Israeli Arabs elect members to the Knesset who spend their careers traveling the world condemning Israel (as opposed to helping Israeli Arabs improve their lives). Just one of the benefits of living in a free, democratic, progressive society like Israel.
02:14 PM on 02/04/2011
"If the Palestinians admit that they are in trouble because they rejected the UN partition plan in 1947 "

There is no Palestinian culpability.

The United Nations did not have the power to Partition, it offered 181 as a proposed solution. Palestinians were never obliged to accept it, particularly as it was rescinded by Resolution 186 on May 14, 1948.
Furthermore, Ben Gurion had made it abundantly clear that partition was an interim measure and Begin rejected it utterly as "illegal".
That the Zionists rejected it is manifestly clear. Two days after the 181declaration, they had torn it up:
Chapter 2 states:
"No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in the Jewish State (by a Jew in the Arab State)(4) shall be allowed except for public purposes. In all cases of expropriation full compensation as fixed by the Supreme Court shall be said previous to dispossession. "

By their own admission (a document: "The Emigration of the Arabs of Palestine in the Period 1/12/1947/- 1/6/1948", became publicly known in 1985, after a copy of the report was discovered among the papers of Aharon Cohen (former director of Mapam´s Arab Department) and given to the Hashomer Hatza'ir Archive, Israel. )
.... the Hagannah had begun expropriation of Palestinian land by 1 December 1947.

Nobody in their right mind would sign away sovereignty over more than half their territory to a minority, most of whom were illegal, recent immigrants.
02:36 PM on 02/04/2011
It is probably news to the UN that they didn't have any power after the British Empire left. Kind of a unique rewriting of history there. The Arabs never ruled Palestine, it was British before it was Israel, prior to that it was Ottoman. Your post, obviously copied from a pro-Palestinian site, belongs in the fiction section.

More to the point, the war is over, the Arabs lost and they "only" rule 99+% of the land in the middle east. They, and you will have to deal with it and move on.
09:24 AM on 02/03/2011
Israel is not entitled to billions of dollars in unquestioning military aid and weaponry and unlimited support from the U.S. (as well as nuclear weapons it doesn't have to have inspected) while being held to the same standard as Iran. If Israel were being held to the same standard as Iran in any way (except for when people like you find it convenient) they would have been slapped with sanctions and then invaded by the U.S. years ago.
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09:51 AM on 02/03/2011
So where would you live?
01:45 PM on 02/03/2011
Certainly not Israel. In a few years when Palestinians not only outnumber Jewish Israelis in Gaza, WB, and Israel proper but also in Israel proper and the WB alone, the chaos that is going to engulf that country (especially considering Orthodox Jews have the highest Jewish birthrates...) is going to make the second intifada look like a cakewalk.

I've lived in/visited Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt and have to say that Turkey would probably be my first choice if I had to choose a home in the region. I'm touched you care enough to ask though.
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05:40 PM on 02/03/2011
F&F Amen to that.
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09:24 AM on 02/03/2011
You pose an interesting question, one that is revealing to any who answer honestly. So many pro-Palestinian folks here on HP accuse Israel of racism, discrimination, intolerance, etc, all accusations far more aptly leveled against Arab-controlled countries. Few of these vocal anti-Israel posters (especially those who are gay or non-Muslim) would be able to live freely under the authority of the very people they champion. Ironically, even a significant chunk of Palestinians in East Jerusalem would prefer to live under Israeli rule than Palestinian.

That alone speaks volumes.
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StCuthbert
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08:59 AM on 02/03/2011
A good article, but it will not penetrate the minds here.
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JohnFromCensornati
Wake up! It's 1984.
06:18 AM on 02/03/2011
"Progressives ought to come to terms with this juxtaposition."

No, I don't think so. Wanting an end to Palestinian statelessness is not the same as wishing Israel out of existence.

"Look over there" is a terrible argument.
09:27 AM on 02/03/2011
But the "Billy did it first!" argument always works with parents and teachers. I know whenever I pointed out that my brother had done something bad too, my Mama always stopped, reconsidered, and apologized for wasting my valuable time.
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TheLonelyGod
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11:00 AM on 02/03/2011
Your implication that all the anti-Israel crowd here wants is a Palestinian state is hilarious, though untrue.
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JohnFromCensornati
Wake up! It's 1984.
12:04 PM on 02/03/2011
I implied nothing of the sort. You conjured another bogeyman. It's your obsession that's hilarious.

"Putting words in somebody else's mouth" is another terrible argument.
04:56 AM on 02/03/2011
This is the exceptional-ism that marks the same far right present in the US. If we are good we can do no wrong. If we are powerful, we can do as we wish. If we can hold ourselves higher than anyone else, others are responsible for our problems. Those who criticize Israel, who would blame it for human rights violations, lack of justice toward Palestinians, abusive and illegal behavior, well you are all stupid and wrong because Israel is exceptional, just like the US is exceptional. Except when it isn't. Those who fear to see themselves and their actions for what they are, make excuses for what they do and how they behave under the guise of exceptional-ism. All I can say is, here they go again.
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10:21 AM on 02/04/2011
Actually, those of us on here who are pro-Israel state that Israel and and does do wrong. It is flawed, with flawed leadership and sometimes flawed policies. However, look at it from the opposite way - what about un-exceptionalism (yes, I know it's not a real word or concept). What I mean is - you argue that people claim Israel is good and powerful and can do no wrong and whatever it wants. What about the polar opposite philosophy? The one that Israel is bad and can do no right?

They're both extreme views and the reality is somewhere in the middle...and yet which view is expressed by posters more often on this site?
07:39 PM on 02/08/2011
I realize the problem lies with the government and not the people. I don't believe that people who criticize Israel believe it can do nothing right. I believe they share my own view that some of things the Israeli government gets seriously wrong, need to be corrected. Once I had far greater hope that Israel would "work" with its neighbors to seek a peaceful coexistence. I think we have all watched that disappear. Some of the very reasons Israel was formed and the Jewish voice had such powerful resonance in the world were slowly turned into negatives by its own repeated actions. Everyone hopes the voice of reason in Israel will be heard again, but only if the Israeli people are willing to silence the fear mongering and exceptionalist advocates among them that continue to take Israel down the road to ruin.
02:36 AM on 02/03/2011
Israel is not a choice for many of us.
Being an activist for Palestinian rights has consequences in Israel:

"Ezra Nawi expects sentence of up to 18 months for resisting 'dehumanisation' of Palestinians......He is also gay and has frequently faced homophobic taunts from Israeli police, soldiers and settlers in Hebron who, by now, are used to his regular presence in the area."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/30/israel-palestinian-territories

"Abdallah Abu Rahme, 39, the coordinator of the Bi’lin Popular Committee, which has challenged Israel’s illegal expropriation of Palestinian land both in an Israeli court and a Canadian one, has been charged with "illegal arms possession, stone throwing, and incitement." .....Muhammad Othman, 33, from Jayyous village in the northern West Bank, was also held in administrative detention, or without charge, since September last year
http://original.antiwar.com/frykberg/2010/01/18/israel-jails-palestinian-peace-activists/

"Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire Speaks from Israeli Jail Cell After Arrest on Boat Delivering Humanitarian Aid to Gaza"
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/2/nobel_peace_laureate_mairead_maguire_speaks

"IDF soldier who shot British peace activist to be released from jail"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-soldier-who-shot-british-peace-activist-to-be-released-from-jail-1.302839

As it happens, having experienced the hospitality of Islamic states, Israel would be my last choice.
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09:00 AM on 02/03/2011
I assume, in that case, you are neither gay nor a woman nor Jewish nor strongly religious.
05:50 PM on 02/03/2011
I do not possess the power to guide your assumptions. If I did, they would be based on fact, not legend.
05:26 PM on 02/09/2011
I'm a woman, and have been to Egypt. A couple of times.
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02:22 AM on 02/03/2011
I hope your healthcare gig is more analytical that this mess.
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RabidRightRebel
Rebelling against wilful ignorance is a duty
01:44 AM on 02/03/2011
How about Israel recognising the UN mandates that say Isreal is illegally occupying Palastinian land? Should those be recognised by Israel?
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RabidRightRebel
Rebelling against wilful ignorance is a duty
01:40 AM on 02/03/2011
Being the best of a bunch of bad apples does not make an apple good. While it might be red on the outside it is rotten at its core.

PS: I would choose: Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, Holland, Spain, Luxemburg, Belgium, Portugal, Ireland, UK, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, Iceland, Poland, Canada, USA, Japan, and probably another dozen countries before I would choose Israel.
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adamsquared
01:53 AM on 02/03/2011
If it isn't the worst, why is despised more than all the others?
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StCuthbert
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09:01 AM on 02/03/2011
Bingo, cowboy.
09:32 AM on 02/03/2011
"If it isn't the worst, why is despised more than all the others?"

I'm sure it has something to do with being a non-Muslim non-Arab state who is systematically oppressing and frequently killing people based on them being non-Jewish Muslim/Christian Arabs...while surrounded by billions of Muslim and Arab neighbors who get to watch.

Sort of like dropping off a wealthy white family in the middle of Detroit and encouraging them to beat their black housekeeper in public while the undesirable masses get to look on. Something tells me that family wouldn't be too popular.
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Jdaddy1951
01:21 AM on 02/03/2011
I think I would like more choices, please.
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karim banned
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11:53 PM on 02/02/2011
Iran