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Debate at Dartmouth: Jobs, Economics and the GOP

Posted: 10/11/2011 11:03 pm

Heading into the Republican debate at Dartmouth College, several key storylines had taken root. For Rick Perry, it was a need to counteract his ineptitude in previous debates. For Herman Cain, it was an opportunity to capitalize on recent gains in the polls. For Mitt Romney, it was sustaining the presidential aura that has allowed him to dominate these Republican primary debates without breaking a sweat.

At the end of the Dartmouth debate, here's what we know: Rick Perry neither stumbled nor shone. Cain basked in the spotlight but ultimately did not have much to say. And Romney maintained his status as alpha dog of the 2012 Republican field.

• Rick Perry: Expectations for Perry were so low that all he had to do in this debate was avoid babbling like a fool. He did not babble like a fool, but neither did he dispel the doubts that have arisen about his seaworthiness as a presidential contender. Perry spoke more in platitudes than specifics, and he was strangely unwilling to offer details about his economic proposals, even though economics was the theme of the evening. Perhaps because of excessive pre-debate coaching, Perry's personality seemed more restrained than usual, and though he survived the debate intact, what he really needed was a reversal of fortune.

• Herman Cain: Cain's newfound second-place status brought one visible change: a more prestigious piece of real estate on the debate stage. Wedged between Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, Cain came across as more of a major player than in previous debates, and his "9-9-9 plan" received plenty of air time. Yet he does not appear able to advance his rhetoric beyond the bumper sticker level. The appeal of Cain's candidacy hinges in large measure on his ability to talk common sense to people who want to hear a simple, reassuring message. By definition, however, this also means painting in excessively broad strokes. If Cain is to advance as a serious contender, he needs desperately to widen -- and deepen -- his repertoire.

• Mitt Romney: At Dartmouth, Romney turned in yet another solid performance. Romney's fluidity in the debate arena ought to be giving the White House pause. Romney knows how to turn the live nature of these events to his advantage, as illustrated by a couple of off-the-cuff quips he made at the moderator's expense. Furthermore, he can deliver a line like "I'm not worried about rich people" with a straight face, even though everything about the man reeks of Wall Street.

Unlike previous Republican debates, the Dartmouth encounter focused exclusively on jobs and the economy, which lent the program an air of respectability that has been absent from the past few gatherings. In fairness, it must be added that this debate was also a lot less lively than its predecessors. Another difference: this time the participants were seated around a large table alongside moderator Charlie Rose and two co-questioners, not isolated behind individual lecterns. Romney, in particular, seemed comfortable in this milieu, though with eight candidates and three journalists the table felt awfully crowded.

Bottom line: Rick Perry needed a big night and he didn't have one. Cain needed to push his message beyond the 9-9-9 plan but he couldn't do it. Romney needed to maintain the status quo -- that he managed, and then some.

 
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dbrett480
05:59 PM on 10/14/2011
How come Herman Cain is allowed to get away with a scheme that would raise taxes by 9% on EVERYONE, but Obama can't raise taxes on the top 1%?
07:25 AM on 10/13/2011
The usual Republican tactic on the economy is to say, "Tax cuts," and then change the subject to gay marriage. This time they weren't allowed to change the subject. That made for a very long evening.
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clay61
01:18 AM on 10/13/2011
We need jobs...Republican ideas do not work. http://liberalview-clay.blogspot.com/
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:59 PM on 10/12/2011
Not one candidate talked about ending the wars. Obama is also for the wars. Protesters are more worried about Wall Street that the govt bailed out yet they do not protest govt but the recipients of govt aid. Why are the protesters add anti war to their chants or is Wall Street the bigger threat to American lives and finances.
07:51 AM on 10/13/2011
Hi bighat, go to any Ron Paul u tube video and / or debate. Ending the wars (bringing the troops home) is one of his central campaign planks.
08:25 PM on 10/12/2011
A Professor in a School of Journalism ought to be evoking an inclusive perspective of an event in his writing rather than base-line regurgitation of media talking points. In this instance it would have been refreshing to elaborate on the insightful comments of Dr. Paul (who was excluded from comment) in juxtaposition to the other candidates all of whom more or less share the same fundamental beliefs.

As a Canadian viewing the blatant media discrimination of Ron Paul it becomes all the more clear that in the USA today "the medium is the message". A sorry legacy for a once great profession and a sad commentary for the future.
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07:49 PM on 10/12/2011
Guess what tea party and GOP voters at large...... All polls show 63% of the public wants Obamas jobs bill passed now. It's a 25 point gain as he has crossed the nation. Bet anything it will be up to 81% soon same amount that support the millionaire tax that pays for it. The public is rejecting the GOP bad right now and this will go all the way into the election. You poor S O Bs don't even know what's going to hit you. And where did all you go lately? I used to see all sorts of trolls and plants on here and most have been really quiet. Huh oh! Did you guys realize the monster you created will destroy your party and get Obama a second term?
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:36 PM on 10/12/2011
Why is neither party talking about ending the 2 wars and the Libyan conflict.

More troops are being killed and the money spent is ridiculous.

But we keep up with the Kardishians and learn how rich some people are.   

Are we waiting for legislation to take money away from the rich and distribute it evenly among the rest of us.
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acudoc
06:43 PM on 10/12/2011
Question: Why do most HuffPo readers want to increase taxes to pay for more government programs that employ a greater and greater percentage of the population? What is this faith in and fascination with central planning schemes?
08:59 PM on 10/12/2011
Could it be because the last president ( Clinton) to give us a budget surplus and great economy did it with spending cuts AND raised taxes on the millionaires?
Even 60 plus percent of registered republican voters are now for this according to every credible poll and it's not a theory........it's been proven to work. Also employed people, whether employed by the government or private industry, pay taxes and keep the dollar circulating. Keep drinking the kool-aid if you want but most of the country is finally coming around on this.
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:37 PM on 10/12/2011
Clinton also passed NAFTA
04:21 PM on 10/12/2011
Good summary of the debate, and good comments.

In the end, none of the differences between these "clowns" (to quote one of your commentators) matter much, regardless who ends up being the annointed one.

However disappointed progressives may be with our excessively cautious and centrist President, there is no alternative to re-electing him.

As I write in my 10-point plan to fixing America: The country's economic problems begin, end, and are entirely due to the Republican Party in its entirety.

Tom Kando

http://european-americanblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/fixing-america.html
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:38 PM on 10/12/2011
Money for the bailouts and the wars all begin in the house of representatives.

Presidents have the bully pulpit but congress controls the cash
wordsalad12
Caring for innocent life after they are born.
11:41 PM on 10/12/2011
excellent and simple article. Some might call it partisan, but many, including me, are having the very conversation that Tom Kando has elaborated in the form of his blog. Thanks! f/f
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knot2
04:03 PM on 10/12/2011
At This rate; I see there becoming another candidate from some “new party”….
Romney appears to be leading in all the Polls – but has he ever made it past 30%?
What happens if part of the GOP goes for Romney and part goes for “any one but Romney”?
03:38 PM on 10/12/2011
Let’s make this simple.

Ten people equal the US economy. They trade with each other, and continue to grow their economic wealth by those actions.
They then purchase goods and services from outside the five people. So money begins to leave the pockets of these five people. Pretty soon one of the 10 people no longer has a Job. (Ten percent unemployment)

This is what is happening in the US economy for forty years.We are purchasing more goods and services from outside our economy. It is free trade, & we are losing money because we purchase more than we sell.

The numbers that support this: http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/trade/trad_time_series.xls.
Money is being lost from the US economy. Money equals jobs. Over the last 10 years we have lost $5.61 Trillion. A huge Negative Stimulus for the Economy. So reduced employment reduced tax base for the government. Our economy is shrinking by $561 Billion each year. versus a zero balance of trade.

Over the last Forty years this is $8 Trillion. And another $565 Billion in 2011.

So what should our government do??? GET CONTROL OF OUR BALANCE OF TRADE!

The simplest way to do this is an information campaign that tells the American public how important it is to Buy American. (An example of this is the ABC news article about the value of increasing the $ content of American housing to US produced materials by 5%.)
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:45 PM on 10/12/2011
So your answer is to close the borders to all trade with other countries?

I thought the US tried this tactic once and it failed miserably
11:12 AM on 10/13/2011
Your ability to read into my post is amazing. There was no mention of closing borders!
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03:27 PM on 10/12/2011
Romney, for all his "presidential aura" and "solid" debate performances, is in serious trouble. His support never seems to move above 25%, and it is becoming apparent that 60-70% of the republican primary electorate is anti-Romney, but also is unable to decide on a candidate. What we will likely see from this debate is a surge of support from Perry and Cain towards Gingrich and Bachmann, who were the real story of this debate by talking a story that the republican base is desperate to hear - that the blame for the 2008 financial crisis and ensuing Great Recession can be laid entirely at the feet of a federal government which tyranically forced the poor, oppressed banking industry to give out free money and houses to minorities who could never pay it back.
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feo
huh?
03:27 PM on 10/12/2011
The problem is business and these clowns keep talking government.
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:46 PM on 10/12/2011
So the problem is shopping?
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02:49 PM on 10/12/2011
And, of course, no sign of Ron Paul.

I'm a progressive/socialist who voted for Obama last time but that is not an option for 2012 given his record.

I plan to vote for a socialist candidate because we need a credible 3d party.

But maybe I'll vote for Ron Paul. He would get us out of all these stupid, expensive wars and seek to repeal the Patriot Act. That is more than any of the others would do. And it might be worth watching Paul blow up the Fed just to watch the Wall Streeters run for cover.

And once Ron Paul's conservative economic policies crash and burn the stage would be set for a real change - from capitalism to what works for the people.
03:27 PM on 10/12/2011
I don't understand. If you are going to vote your conscience for a candidate who will probably not win, then why not vote for whoever runs on the Green party ticket. That person will also likely be against the wars and want to repeal the Patriot Act. That person will also likely support humane domestic policies as well.
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lleichtman
Retired military, semi-retired physician living in
05:57 PM on 10/12/2011
Er Ron Paul and socialist in the same paragraph. Read Ayn Rand again. That's what we need, a real depression. Try voting for zombies.
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Joseph LeCompte
The USA isnt broke.It was robbed.
01:13 PM on 10/12/2011
China is fighting a currency,patent and trade war against us. Yet the House republicans will not vote for a counter bill while all but a few GOP senators voted no. The wealthy and connected people are fighting a class war against the middle and working class and The GOP will filibuster any tax or jobs bill that could alleviate it. The GOP hates America. Maybe we should ask the GOP candidates why they oppose their own party.
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bd7769
I am so often right, that I am a progressive
01:28 PM on 10/12/2011
China is practicing mercantilism and were are practicing free trade. Mercantilism will always be more profitable in the short run
SwordOrShield
Software Engineer, Wonk
02:09 PM on 10/12/2011
It will also be more profitable in the long run assuming that a few things. One is that you have a relatively strong economy that can'e be brushed aside. The second is a level of natural resources. The third is that your trade partners run a free-trade economy while you stick to Mercantilism.

All three conditions are met, so, China's going to continue to ream us, trade-wise, for quite a while. Mercantilism is inferior to free trade because it leads to a negative feedback loop - if nobody else responds negatively, though, you just WON.

China's real trade issue isn't going to hit for about 40-50 years, when they have our Baby Boomer issue times fifty. Years of having huge families suddenly switching to having ONE kid = Problem. Most families choosing that one kid to be male and thus diminishing their family prospects = Problem. But these are long term problems and don't have to do with their trade policies.
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BuckCarson
Life outside the ObamaSphere
12:57 PM on 10/12/2011
Bottom line - each candidate would do a better job than the disaster happening as we speak.
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Milash
My microbio is fabulous
02:47 PM on 10/12/2011
Bush was the disaster and all the republicans in office now are making sure that no one can clean it up so they can blame President Obama for it all.
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bighat
Truth as I see it
09:53 PM on 10/12/2011
The bailouts and the money for wars comes from congress.  All money the govt spends originates in the house of representatives not the President.

The democrats had control of congress during the bailouts, the wars, and the 2 billion spent on Libyan conflict.

Not to mention all the money given in foreign aid.  Even to countries that hate the US which seems to be all of them.

Just wait til we all have to buy health insurance or go to jail.  That will be the govt's jobs plan in action.,  Build more prisons and hire more guards.
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10:20 PM on 10/12/2011
Whenever Bill Clinton blew life into the Community Reinvestment Act and signed into law the Financial Services Modernization Act and Commodity Futures Modernization Act, Bush was still the Governor of TX. Whenever I ask liberals what Bush did to destroy the economy they talk about war, deficit spending, and point to some speech Bush gave encouraging poor people to buy homes. The irony of this explanation is that the deficit spending and war has doubled and that speech sounds like something from the mouth of a bleeding heart liberal.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
03:06 PM on 10/12/2011
LOL. Thank you for the laugh of the day.