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Massachusetts Senate Debates, Round Three: Warren Over Brown

Posted: 10/10/2012 9:55 pm

The third debate between Elizabeth Warren and Scott Brown, candidates for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, accomplished something their two previous matches did not: it produced a winner. Professor Warren had her best night in the debate arena thus far, delivering a performance that was focused, confident and energetic. Although Senator Brown made no particular missteps, throughout most of this debate he found himself playing defense, stranded on his opponent's turf.

Scott Brown is an exceptionally smooth politician, with a gift for packaging his message in the form of personal appeals. He addresses himself directly to crowd, calls the voters "folks," reminds the audience that he's a native son of the Commonwealth, carpet-bombs the debate hall with local names and references. He exudes charisma, to a degree that most politicians would envy. And he looks like Richard Gere, only handsomer.

But Elizabeth Warren seems to have figured out an effective antidote to the potency of Brown's charms. Unable to match her opponent on charisma, she comes at him with intellect -- lots and lots of intellect. In the end, her ability to frame and sustain an argument reduces Brown's likability to a lesser asset, a shiny object that's all surface and no depth.

Throughout these debates, Warren's goal has been to tie Brown to the Republican Party from which he so strenuously distances himself. In this third match of the series, by repeatedly invoking the likes of Mitt Romney and Grover Norquist, Warren succeeded in plastering a scarlet "R" upon his back. Her previous steps in this direction were tentative and insufficient; this time, by keeping at it, she gave her argument a through-line that grew more apparent over the course of the hour.

Warren's strongest answer of the night came in response to a question about women's issues. Methodically dissecting Brown's voting record in this area, the challenger displayed some of the passion that has too often been absent from her campaign. "The women of Massachusetts need a senator they can count on not some of the time but all of the time," Warren said, in what will probably become the night's most-played sound bite. Referring to equal pay and birth control, she noted with exasperation, "These issues were resolved years ago, until the Republicans brought them back." Lest there be any doubt whom to she was referring, on the word "Republicans" Warren looked straight at Senator Brown.

As he did in their two earlier debates, Brown at times struck a needlessly petty tone with his rival. Once again he brought up Warren's salary and benefits package, as though her professional success is something she ought to be ashamed of. Brown also came across as more thin-skinned than his opponent, referring to "her constant criticisms of me" in a way that made him sound like a whiner. Responding to Warren's assertion that the middle class is getting hammered, Brown shot back with a line that was more nonsensical than effective: "Professor Warren, I suggest you put down the hammer." One of the clear contrasts between these two candidates is that she gets under his skin, but he doesn't get under hers.

According to the polls, this race remains neck and neck. The problem for Brown is that Warren is improving as a debater, while he remains stuck in place. It's probably good for the senator that only one more joint appearance looms on the horizon, scheduled exactly a week before Election Day. If Elizabeth Warren does as well in the last debate as she did in round three, she may finally break the logjam that has kept this race too close to call.

 

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The third debate between Elizabeth Warren and Scott Brown, candidates for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, accomplished something their two previous matches did not: it produced a winner. Professor ...
The third debate between Elizabeth Warren and Scott Brown, candidates for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, accomplished something their two previous matches did not: it produced a winner. Professor ...
 
 
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PaulD08
Corrupt GOVT wont promote the General Welfare
04:19 PM on 10/15/2012
I still await her taking apart his 'chamber of commerce ' references,,Anyone who knows "politics" knows the chamber is the corporate participant in the govt/corpotrate incestuous relationship..Anyone who even dreams we can end the corruption of policy can`t even think of voting Brown
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Bpeirce
03:39 PM on 10/13/2012
What Charisma. Scott Brown is what you call an empty suit.
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hearmeloudandclear
08:55 AM on 10/12/2012
Brown reduces his stature badly when he resorts to basic non-answers when Warren makes a valid point - he comes off as whinny and resentful as if Warren doesn't even belong in the arena. The hammer comment,delivered with a glare, bears this out.
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LuluOnTheLeft
Proud Bleeding Heart
02:30 AM on 10/12/2012
I, as a woman, do not understand anyone talking about Brown being good looking.
When your mouth spews ugliness, it doesn't make you look good. I would take an afternoon of being able to spend time with this very brilliant woman over anytime around this guy. His aura is not one of pleasantness. I love, so much, to listen to very intelligent people speak, but when it is a woman it is even greater.

Professor Elizabeth Warren for Congress/2012
calidesigner
Progress Wins
11:55 PM on 10/11/2012
It's about time Grover Norquist was exposed. Why is he not put in the spotlight so we can see the puppeteer behind the republican teafreaks? A spotlight needs to be shown on this guy and his anti-American activities. What is he hiding?
07:43 PM on 10/11/2012
As if Schroeder would see it any other way.
11:26 PM on 10/11/2012
The objectively factual way, true.
02:56 PM on 10/12/2012
Yeah.....objective.
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notanaxkiller
Athiests are Godless
05:46 PM on 10/11/2012
Brown Leads Warren in New Poll - Hotline On Call

2 days ago ... A new poll released Tuesday shows Sen. Scott Brown, R-Mass., receiving a
slight boost at the top of the ticket and pulling into a ...

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2012/10/brown-leads-war.php
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Noah Cross
Flying to London for some bangers and mash
10:37 PM on 10/11/2012
One of the more reliable polls :D
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VeryGrood
only class worse than micro-bio was molecular-bio
03:25 PM on 10/11/2012
Unfortunately... to many in this nation.... using intellect is considered "elitist."

If you can't make your point in a single sentence with words that are no longer than 6 letters each, you're clearly not in touch with the average American.
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confuseddemocrat
05:23 PM on 10/11/2012
a very sad comment...............but, unfortunately,  in some ways very accurate
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Simon Fraser
Is this just math you do as a republican?"
06:18 PM on 10/11/2012
Reminds me of something from family guy "God, 9/11, terrorists" crowd cheers
02:49 PM on 10/11/2012
If you're middle class and you're looking for the person who would look best naked then Brown's your candidate. If you want someone who'll actually look out for your interest then you ought to be voting for Warren. It's your choice.
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LuluOnTheLeft
Proud Bleeding Heart
02:23 AM on 10/12/2012
That reminds me of the ugly crack he made about Elizabeth Warren, a long time back, thanking goodness she never posed naked to pay for school?
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02:39 PM on 10/11/2012
It was nice to see them actually talk policy for a change. They both stepped up game from the previous 2 debates.

Warren did get in a good shot on women's rights, but that's the only one she got. Brown was able to defend against her shots on the Norquist pledge by calling it part of his stance not to raise taxes on anyone, which is a hard position to make unpopular in this climate. He thankfully gave the Indian story a rest, although he still went a little heavy on touting his endorsements and speaking in soundbites. That said, the "put down the hammer" jab was received better than this article would lead one to believe. He went a bit out of his way to rip her on LTV, but that was a shot he had to take.

For her part, Warren layed on her class warfare rhetoric as heavily as she ever has, and if you took a shot for every utterance of "millionaires, billionaires, and big oil" from her you wouldn't last the full debate. Her win for the night was that she was able to go on the offensive for once, and she stayed there for most of the evening.

Were any undecideds swayed by this? I doubt it. Warren's best moment was on abortion, and anyone to whom that is a make-or-break issue is already in her corner. Brown defended his record well, but his veneer of likability has worn a bit.
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Annoula
Enough about me!
11:31 AM on 10/12/2012
"Brown was able to defend against her shots on the Norquist pledge by calling it part of his stance not to raise taxes on anyone, which is a hard position to make unpopular in this climate."

You call that a "good defense"??
Throughout the whole debate Brown looked like he had two buttons that could be pushed to emit a response to any question:

"I have been working very hard...."

"I am bi-partisan and reach across the aisle"

Warren nailed him to the wall with her closing statements:
Every chance he had to vote against the Republicans, he voted no.
Sorry, Scottie... but your votes speak much louder than your words!
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01:24 PM on 10/12/2012
Let's be fair, though, could Warren not have had two buttons as well, one calling to soak the rich and the other disguising tax hikes as "investments"?
I don't like the idea of Scott Brown signing a pledge to an outside figure no matter what it is, and if the Democrats had picked a more palatable and less partisan candidate I'd have no problem voting their way. Still, his reasoning isn't outrageous to me. I think he convincingly made the pitch that businesses small and large would get hit hard by a Top 2% tax hike\cut expiration. Nobody I know who owns a business -and we're talking pizza joints and auto shops, not hedge funds- disagrees with him. Warren thinks that we can pull a recovery out of the pockets of the rich while jacking up spending at the same time, and I don't believe she's right.
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lk415
oaks grow strong in contrary winds
02:37 PM on 10/11/2012
A shiny object -- all surface and no depth. Exactly like Mitt Romney. Maybe worse, however, if you consider he has two daughters who would be affected by his support of the Republican anti-women's reproductive rights stance... although during his senate acceptance speech two years ago, he did try to auction his daughters off to the highest bidder, so that may present a clearer picture of Scott Brown's views on women, even when it comes to his own daughters. Vote Elizabeth Warren and all other Democrats on your ballot, ladies (and men who respect them).
calidesigner
Progress Wins
12:01 AM on 10/12/2012
Brown's disrespect of his daughters for political gain reminds me of Palin's vicious treatment of her daughter, exposing her daughter for being pregnant out of wedlock, in front of national TV. As a mother, I was appalled at her betrayal of her daughter's privacy for political gain. That was enough to show me her character. I learned later, from those who know and worked with her, that this was in fact her motive.
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sonoflars
Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional
02:27 PM on 10/11/2012
Why is this race close? Can there be that many stupid people in MA? I believe Warren will win but it should be a win of historic proportion.
02:06 PM on 10/11/2012
It is hard to believe this race is too close to call. Who in their right mind would want to support Scott Brown, who has nothing to offer except a handsome face? He has no substance or solutions to what is ailing this country. Elizabeth Warren is a champion for the middle class.
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02:38 PM on 10/11/2012
Right! Brown's a good-lookin' dude, for sure. Unfortunately, the right-wing agenda he backs is ugly, ugly, ugly. Warren is the real deal - she'll be a great senator.
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notanaxkiller
Athiests are Godless
05:48 PM on 10/11/2012
Everyone that disagrees with you MUST be crazy.
01:54 PM on 10/11/2012
Bravo! Elizabeth, President Obama should take a lesson from you. It is a proven fact ..... that, Republicans intend to take control of the Supreme Court. With that, they can take the only Tool left to Ordinary Americans ...... That will be the Mega Magic Tool they will use ..... It will be a convenient Black Hole in which to hide or disguise the same old tricks and tactics.
The GOP relies on Secrecy and Unity. Unity is precisely why we are the "United" States of America. ...... That said, .... When President Obama says (and sincerely believes) ....... We aer Not Red or Blue America .... He forgets the GOP is Multi-National in its reach and motivations ...... It is Money-National First! ........ They.... Are Not "All American"!!!
_ Soooo, Elizabeth ... Please Pass This On, ........ Mr. President, be a leader United with your Constituency First. They need YOUR Voice .... The GOP has many voices from their Unified Money Pacts. They speak loudly ..... And, they are Not Americans All! ....... Ordinary Americans seek Unity behind You THEIR Leader ...... Beware of GOP "Friendly" Fires. ....... Mr. President please Strongly Fire Back.  ..... Like You Did Elizabeth!
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Steeple839
A few brave Federales said thy cld hv hd hm anyday
01:37 PM on 10/11/2012
Unions fining members if they don't show up to support Warren. That says a mouthful about her and them.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/are-unions-fining-members-who-dont-support-warren_654203.html
03:43 PM on 10/11/2012
Im glad to see that it's not just legitimate issues that I brought up below that are being ignored! If this is true, it should be disturbing to everyone... liberal and conservative alike! We the people are afforded the freedom to take positions on whatever we choose, we should not cede this power to ANYONE, whether it's unions, gov't etc. Having checked this site out for my first time today, it is a little refreshing to see a liberal counterweight to the right-wing propaganda machine, but I am starting to realize that some of the people posting here today are just as guilty as the right wind ideologues. Be objective people... don't just blindly follow someone for their party affiliation. And if there is an erosion of our liberties, take notice! I assume most of us would be crying foul if this were happening on the other side of the aisle (as we rightfully should)!
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Noah Cross
Flying to London for some bangers and mash
10:41 PM on 10/11/2012
@Steve If you're taking an article from The Weekly Standard as gospel you aren't doing yourself any favors.
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HST
Conservatism = selfishness
04:36 PM on 10/11/2012
Coal miners forced to attend Romney event and donate to campaign
http://www.examiner.com/article/coal-miners-forced-to-attend-romney-event-and-donate-to-campaign

CEO to workers: If Obama wins, you're fired
http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=9c5331b5-72e8-4657-bccc-a3d84c72ff29
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notanaxkiller
Athiests are Godless
05:50 PM on 10/11/2012
CEO to workers: If Obama wins, you're fired Ceo to workers...if you vote for Obama, you may be putting yourself out of a job. It's up to you. Read about the issues.