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New Hampshire Double-header: A Tale of Two Debates

Posted: 01/08/2012 1:17 pm

Saturday night and Sunday morning. Two back-to-back Republican presidential debates featuring the same cast, the same issues, the same New Hampshire setting, and the same basic format. Yet despite a separation of only 10 hours, the events felt as different as night and day.

Saturday's debate on ABC was largely about the inability of Mitt Romney's competitors to lay a glove on him. As if protected by an invisible force field, Romney managed to deflect the incoming artillery that pundits had predicted for him. For reasons known only to his rivals, Romney got a free pass from the five men who need to knock him off his perch.

Sunday's debate on NBC, by contrast, had a much sharper tone, especially in the opening and closing segments, when Romney found himself in the hot seat, particularly from a visibly pissed-off Newt Gingrich. At times in the Sunday debate, Gingrich appeared to be overcompensating for his previous night's reticence, cramming as much criticism as he could into the confines of a tightly structured debate. With less vitriol, Rick Santorum also sought to burst Romney's balloon by pointing out the ludicrousness of the former governor's claim to be a political outsider. This provoked a rare moment of testiness from the normally unflappable Romney, who does not like to be interrupted: "Rick... Rick... I'm talking here," Mitt protested.

Throughout these joint appearances, the Romney strategy has been transparent and consistent: to position himself against President Obama, not the pygmies flanking him on the stage. This approach has succeeded because Romney's competitors never figured out how to dethrone him. In Sunday's Meet the Press debate, the others finally managed to drag Mighty Mitt off his pedestal. At this point, however, their efforts may amount to too little, too late.

Going negative is always a risky proposition in a campaign debate. But with Romney looking increasingly inevitable as his party's nominee, it is mystifying why the competitors did not use these weekend match-ups to more effectively highlight the chinks in his armor. Perhaps each candidate was waiting for one of the other guys to step up and play dragon-slayer. Or maybe, at the end of the day, none of his rivals has the chops to take Romney down.

Over the past few months Rick Santorum has shown himself to be a debater of above average ability, but he has not mastered the art of making his point succinctly and then shutting up. Like many pols, he is enamored of the sound of his own voice, and the more he talks the more he has a tendency to over-share. Although he seems able to get under Romney's skin, he is not clever enough to capitalize on this potential asset. At the two New Hampshire debates Santorum appeared to lack an overall game plan; it never became clear in either instance what he was trying to accomplish. Though more aggressive on Sunday than on Saturday, Santorum may have let his best opportunity for stopping the Romney juggernaut slip by.

Newt Gingrich was widely expected to be the bomb-thrower in these debates, a destiny he fulfilled with vigor in the second event. Yet Gingrich came across as more interested in settling personal scores than in helping voters reach an informed decision about whom to vote for. In going mano-a-mano with Romney, Gingrich may have damaged himself as much as the Republican front-runner.

Jon Huntsman missed his chance to ding Romney in Saturday's debate, but on Sunday he did strike back at Romney's assertion the previous night that Huntsman was wrong to have served as President Obama's ambassador to China. Huntsman's dressing-down drew blood: "This nation is divided because of attitudes like that," he scolded Romney, to audience applause. It's a moment that Obama re-election headquarters will want to take note of.

Ron Paul is too quirky a candidate to go for the jugular, and even when he does score a point he almost always fouls up the victory lap by veering off on some tangent or other. Oddly, both Gingrich and Santorum spent a good bit of time needling Ron Paul in the New Hampshire debates, even though their focus ought to have been on Romney.

As for Rick Perry, at this stage of the campaign Perry feels so disconnected from the rest of the field that he may as well be beaming himself in by satellite from a remote, undisclosed location. In both debates his sporadic contributions felt grafted onto the conversation, rather than growing organically out of the rhetoric onstage. Perry's half-baked platitudes have become so predictable and so irrelevant that they serve as cues to debate viewers that it's time to run to the kitchen for a beverage refill.

Too little has been said about the role of journalists in this year's presidential debates, but the back-to-back New Hampshire events illustrate the importance of a moderator who (a) has firm control of the event and (b) knows how to craft a question. David Gregory accomplished both goals admirably in the Sunday debate, while Diane Sawyer and George Stephanopoulos did not. For Sawyer, it takes a paragraph to say what could be said in a sentence, and at one point her lack of preparedness with a specific question for Romney allowed the candidate to lapse directly into his stump speech. Stephanopoulos got booed for doggedly pursuing a hypothetical about whether the Tenth Amendment might allow states to outlaw contraception. Romney sensibly rejected the question, but rather than accepting that response and moving on, Stephanopoulos gnawed at the issue like a dog with a bone. The booing of journalists by debate audiences has become cheap and predictable, but in this case they had a point.

In the final analysis, did New Hampshire's weekend double-header change anything? Not particularly, though it did serve to raise the public profile of Mitt Romney's career at Bain Capital. There may also be a downside for Romney in emerging relatively unscathed: he is not getting the sort of general election debate toning that Barack Obama got from Hillary Clinton in 2008. Tougher competitors in the primaries would make Romney a tougher candidate next fall.

 
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07:05 PM on 01/09/2012
The government steals our elections . . . what’s next? People, we have to take a chance, we have to trust in what Ron Paul stands for. Why shouldn’t Americans get to keep the fruits of their labors, instead of having more of our income taxed (pretty soon it’ll be 100% if they get their way). How many times have you had a conversation about how much revenue the federal government AND the states (the corruption has gotten down to even the local levels any more) take in from US the taxpayers; how our property taxes keep escalating, how the services provided by the states (drivers licenses, license plates, registrations, permits, etc.) are outrageous and continuously rising; and YET the money these taxes and fees are supposed to go towards (the fixing of our roads, improvement of our services) NEVER happen; but the politicians always find a way to steal millions of dollars and ironically they are NEVER prosecuted, because those who should are in on the take. WE THE PEOPLE need to make a statement to the establishment and take our country back.
07:05 PM on 01/09/2012
Ron Paul should bypass these debates and hold his own town hall meetings and/or Internet meetings where the American people can ask their questions (and not the same stupd so-called questions that the media can only seem to pull from the millions of Americans out there) and where he can answer the questions completely and in-depth. When you listen to Ron Paul, you cannot refute that his motives are for the protection, welfare and benefit of the American people, not for his own personal gain or stepping stone for the Presidency out of greed, like the other candidates.
07:04 PM on 01/09/2012
The blatant bias is evident by the media in the manner in which they “spin” the debates, basically trying to acclimate the people to their predetermined outcome of whom they want for President; and by the fact they never mention Paul when referring to the poll positions (they’ll tell you who’s in 1st, 3rd, 4th and even last, but not Ron Paul (who is in 2nd). They ask Ron Paul stupid questions like is he willing to go on the record that he will NOT run as a third party candidate or IF he will support the GOP nominee? Why should he support one of the candidates who have fundamentally and totally different beliefs and core values, and betray the millions of people for whom he has been their voice? The mass media like ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and FOX are no longer viable or credible news sources. People have figured out that these organizations are just “puppets” for the establishment to push their agenda on the American public.
07:04 PM on 01/09/2012
You heard the topic of Afghanistan. Four years AFTER Obama promised a withdrawal, these candidates again are backpedaling, trying to justify a further extension over there. Both the GOP and Democratic parties have preached about “bringing our troops home,” yet none of them have done so. Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney are obvious establishment candidates by their very promotion of the U.S. being involved in multiple wars in their statements. And as Ron Paul has correctly pointed out, we need our military home, among other things, to help protect our own U.S. citizens from our government which has consistently violated our rights with the Patriot Act and now the NDAA where they authorize our government to detain U.S. citizens indefinitely IF the government deems us “inconvenient.”
07:03 PM on 01/09/2012
The current administration instead would rather devote all of our resources, all of our military, and all of our current (as well as future) revenues on foreign countries, while the United States continues to deteriorate, economically, and as a society with our liberties in jeopardy. Ron Paul knows that the United States needs to focus on fixing problems and addressing issues within the United States, to “get our own house in order.”The ONLY difference between Ron Paul and the other candidates on foreign policy IS that he doesn’t believe we should be involved in multiple wars purely for the sake of benefiting the military industrial complex, as promoted by the Project for a New American Century (headed up by neo-conservatives).
07:02 PM on 01/09/2012
Only the establishment (mass) media sees it that way. In fact when you talk about who is most qualified in the area of foreign policy, who else could it be, but Ron Paul, the only candidate who would FOLLOW the rules laid out in our Constitution for how our country is to be run. Would you want a boss who ignored the basic rules and principles of what you knew to be for running your company? And the media keeps trying to label him incorrectly as an “isolationist” as someone, who wants to live in bubble apart from the rest of the world, as if he were some naïve individual. Ron Paul is a “non-interventionist” who would not be afraid to go to war IF the people and the Congress voted for and declared it (as per the Constitution), then would move for a swift victory. Yet he would promote the United States for its freedoms and liberties, which many countries would then want to emulate; he would lead by example, and promote trade between countries, while working with those who want a meaningful relationship with the United States.
07:02 PM on 01/09/2012
But ABC would instead cut him off, cut to a commercial break and when returned, simply went on to the next question. The viewers have got to be saying to themselves, ‘This is the same rhetoric we heard 8 years ago’ (the establishment candidates go back and forth every 4 years with the “too little government” and the “too much government” argument). Ron Paul is the only candidate who offers an alternative to this constant merry-go-round cycle, banquet of crap that the candidates offer. I just love the labels the media uses when addressing Ron Paul (e.g. his foreign policy is his “Achilles heel,” etc.).
07:01 PM on 01/09/2012
The recent ABC Presidential Debate in New Hampshire on Sat, 01/07/12 was another perfect example of the poor journalism as well as the blatant discrimination directed at Ron Paul. Diane Sawyer always makes a point of reminding the candidates that ABC “negotiated the rules which were agreed to by all candidates,” yet how many times was Ron Paul refused an opportunity to respond when his name was directly mentioned in an opponent’s answer (which by right he is supposed to have a chance to respond)?
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Akshay Singh
The Devil's Orchard
11:56 AM on 01/09/2012
"Perry's half-baked platitude" .

Hmm, I am beginning to wonder whether his is a parody campaign. The subject of am mockumentary.
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RollaJones
Is there a Robespierre in the house?
10:55 AM on 01/09/2012
We delude ourselves when we refer to these spectacles as "debates", particularly the event hosted by NBC on Sunday and "moderated" by David Gregory, which more closely resembled a WWF tag team match in which the white team had six guys, the black side had one, and the referee was in the tank for the white team.

Why the candidates agree these media gotcha fests is beyond me. It would be nice to watch an actual debate with real rules for a change.
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
08:41 AM on 01/09/2012
"Or maybe, at the end of the day, none of his rivals has the chops to take Romney down."
No, party leaders do not want the chosen ones dirty undies exposed, so they are trying to put a lid on the rest of them. They are desperately trying not to create sound bites that the DNC will use later this year. It's clear someone is pulling the strings.
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bar1ed
midnight toker!
02:35 AM on 01/09/2012
The Content, Style, Outcome, or which ever way you want to look at it, proved one thing, they waited for the reaction of the media and public to change tatics.............. This is not Leadership!
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yakmeat
Nearly all of us are both makers and takers.
01:34 AM on 01/09/2012
There should be only a single question for Mitt during the next debate:

When are you going to show us your income tax documents? If it's okay to hound a president about his birth certificate, it should be more than okay to hound a candidate about their taxes.

Everyone knows that Romney is very wealthy, but even a lot of conservatives would likely be offended if they knew how much (or more likely how little) of that wealth he pays in taxes every year.

Combine that with the fact that much of Mitt's wealth was generated by laying off thousands of people and sending their jobs overseas and it will be a real stretch to believe that he's looking out for the average Joe.
11:43 PM on 01/08/2012
You know what I want?
Those commercials that my parents watched, where candidates told you how awesome they were instead of dumping all the mud they could on their opponents' heads.
And times when I wasn't called a backwards racist monster by my VT peers for not voting for a certain democrat.
Those musta been good times...
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
09:08 PM on 01/08/2012
Santorum had the briefest time on top of all the candidates.
Thank goodness.
He is unbearable.
He needs to find a congregation to lead, and to walk away from elected office.
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12:14 AM on 01/09/2012
He should go home to his wife and kids.
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cegrubbs
07:24 AM on 01/09/2012
He is a Catholic and a lay person. Congregational leadership isn't going to happen for Rickie.
Which is a good thing for the Church and her people.