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Showdown in Ames: The Republican Presidential Debate

Posted: 08/12/11 10:04 AM ET

So much for Minnesota Nice. The headline to emerge from the Republicans' first Iowa debate is the bitter scrap between the two Minnesotans standing side by side onstage, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and ex-Governor Tim Pawlenty. Chris Wallace of Fox News shamelessly goaded these rivals into a fight, and fight they did. Taking the bait may not have been smart politics for either candidate, but it did make for riveting television.

Two months ago, in her debate debut in New Hampshire, Bachmann turned in an impressive performance that propelled her candidacy forward. But Thursday night in Ames, the congresswoman suffered a bad case of sophomore slump. Bachmann did not get the better of her exchange with Pawlenty. As he attacked -- directly and with precision -- she stood lifelessly, staring straight ahead like an animatron with its power turned off. When he questioned her effectiveness as a member of Congress, the best she could summon by way of defense was her heroic efforts to save the good old American incandescent lightbulb.

Throughout the evening Bachmann's energy was off. Her big lines did not connect with the audience, and too often her responses sounded defensive. One of the strangest moments of the debate came at the halfway point, when the program resumed after a commercial break. While all the other candidates were shown waiting in position, raring to go, Bachmann's lectern stood empty, and only after the segment had gotten underway did she stride onstage. Even her look was peculiar, with a dress that appeared to have been designed by NASA and an errant string of pearls that shifted positions with each camera shot.

The evening produced several winners:

  • Pawlenty, not just for outfoxing Bachmann, but for seizing control of the stage and dispelling the "wimp" stereotype that the press had fixed him with. For the first time Pawlenty registered as a vivid presence in this generally lackluster field of candidates.
  • Mitt Romney, not for anything he did particularly right but for managing to successfully dodge the incoming artillery. Romney is an unusually consistent debater: he never gets better or worse than he already is, and he's solid enough that he generally lands on his feet.
  • Ron Paul, for his continued willingness to stake out contrarian turf. Half the time he comes off like the crankiest lunatic in the retirement village, the one all the other residents avoid at lunch. Yet much of what the man says is exceptionally lucid, and he is not afraid to say it.
  • Herman Cain, for being a reliably entertaining figure who brings a badly needed outside perspective into these debates -- they'd be a lot duller without him.
  • Neither hurting nor helping himself was Jon Huntsman, making his presidential debate debut. Huntstman performed adequately, although adequate may not be good enough. The former Utah governor exudes little warmth on camera; his affect is reminiscent of Michael Murphy in Robert Altman's Tanner series. But he does come across as thoughtful and intelligent, far more than your typical Republican politician.

    Newt Gingrich had a mixed night. Whining about "gotcha questions" is never a wise use of debate time, and Gingrich did it twice. On the other hand, he made several interesting contributions to the discussion. Rick Santorum tried mightily to stake out his own far-right turf, but his stridency and utter lack of appeal make him difficult to listen to. There's a hectoring quality to Santorum's debate persona, one that functions as an automatic audience turnoff.

    The flaws of Santorum and Gingrich will not be long remembered, however. In the final analysis, the debate in Ames was about Michele Bachmann, who lost ground -- and Tim Pawlenty, who gained it.

     
So much for Minnesota Nice. The headline to emerge from the Republicans' first Iowa debate is the bitter scrap between the two Minnesotans standing side by side onstage, Congresswoman Michele Bach...
So much for Minnesota Nice. The headline to emerge from the Republicans' first Iowa debate is the bitter scrap between the two Minnesotans standing side by side onstage, Congresswoman Michele Bach...
 
 
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
09:31 PM on 08/13/2011
I saw it differently. I had picked Bachmann to win the Ames Straw Poll, and on target to win the Iowa Caucuses. Pawlenty, in spite of having bet the farm on Iowa, is trailing there badly. He needed to score on Bachmann, but Bachmann only needed to maintain. Pawlenty told us that Bachmann hasn't accomplished anything in Congress. That's true, but I don't think it matters to Teabaggers. To them, her founding of the Tea Party Caucus is a very big accomplishment. Pawlenty's attack on Bachmann was weak. Bachmann probably should have tried to answer it, instead of counter-attacking, but her counter-attack hit its mark, and again, Teabaggers don't care about logic or valid arguments, so Bachmann came out ahead.

Pawlenty's big problem is that he's deadly boring. The only thing worse than being boring in a debate is being nasty. He was. Pawlenty still has the same problems he had before the debate: he is uninspiring, and his record sucks. His third-place finish in Ames marks him for elimination. He must win Iowa in order to continue. He won't. Bachmann will. So Bachmann did better in the debate than Pawlenty.
10:14 AM on 08/13/2011
Romney's "Corporati­­ons Are People"
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Ever ask yourself, after 3 long years, why obama keeps inciting hatred toward the rich......­but has not moved one finger to eliminate the tax loop holes given to.......o­h lets say General Electric? Apple? Google?

CNN contacted the banks that were given the biggest chunks of the bailout: Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo and Bank of America ... The latter received $15 billion.

Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo each received $25 billion -- the largest amount given to any bank.
12:24 PM on 08/13/2011
Oh please whodenit!!!! Almost nothing is more ludicras then when a right winger spouts populist rhetoric.
The political agenda that has facilitated the upward tidal wave of wealth...and the massive prosperity vacume for the vast majority has been lockstep right wing republican almost exclusively.
When the the venere of dogmatic talking points is penetrated many professed "conservatives" I meet reveal a populist progressive personal sentiment.
I often attempt to explain to them that their party affiliation contradicts both their beleifs and their interest. Sadly, few abandon their political allegience, like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders when they should vote for Bernie Sanders.
01:45 PM on 08/13/2011
so your answer about the tax loop holes is YOU hate capitalism and believe in obama's "one party" nation......and the "one world order"?

Answer.....in 3 years.....why hasn't obama clamped down on the tax loop holes?
01:51 PM on 08/13/2011
"allegiance......a l l e g i a n c e

Sadly....the old American democratic party has been overrun by european liberals that believe in "feeding a man"......not "teaching a man"
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mpilkanis
Attitude Adjustments Done Here
07:39 AM on 08/13/2011
Two unelectable fellow travellers sniping about lightbulbs and a state-level cigarette tax. This is "riveting television"?

Uh huh.
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09:45 PM on 08/12/2011
Every Republican candidate in Ames pledged to never raise taxes under any circumstances.
They all lost my vote. Each proved they are unable to govern in a Republic.
Incidentally, Obama doesn't automatically get my vote, either. I am very unhappy with him lately.
09:11 PM on 08/12/2011
Great analysis on the debate! Fox asked pertinent questions - good that this is still early in the campaign!
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
09:36 PM on 08/13/2011
Surprisingly, the questions from the Fox talking heads were cogent. I guess they don't feel the need for kid gloves when there are 8 candidates competing, and more in the wings.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
07:54 PM on 08/12/2011
One of these days a real leader will emerge from the shadows. Many of us were fooled into thinking Obama was it, but Noooooo!
FDR must be rolling in his grave. With this crop of holier than thou Republicans, it's easy to imagine that Hoover and Eisenhower are too.
We already have good historical examples of what to do in a Depression, but our DC "deciders" want to make it about cutting the deficit when the people are crying for jobs.
Can we say "Let them eat cake"?
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InnaGaddaDaVida
follow the beat of your own drum
04:09 PM on 08/12/2011
"Chris Wallace of Fox News shamelessly goaded these rivals into a fight". Typical of Fox, not report the news, but make the news.
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
07:41 PM on 08/12/2011
Typical of all Murdock enterprises apparently....
Say. I've been gone for a bit. Where'd my picture go?
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ugly american
"I drank what?"- Last words of Socrates
07:42 PM on 08/12/2011
Never mind...there it is. Good point mate!
03:55 PM on 08/12/2011
All of them standing there like that was like watching a freak show. lol
03:23 PM on 08/12/2011
Romney's "Corporations Are People" - a Soylent Green Moment
When Romney said, "corporations are people too, my friend" re corporate undue influence/money, like huge subsidies &tax breaks/exemptions, I thought "Soylent Green is people". The entire GOP candidate panel is noisily sucking up tothe huge corporate teat, just eating up ordinary people so they can stay fat/comfortable. Corps are not "people"; small businesses are; &huge corps are just taxpayer cannibals. When the Koch brothers, who largely fund the PACs that toss out hundreds of millions of$ to right-wing candidates, like sardines to "arfing" seals (their mantras no more intelligent than "arf"), do so without having to disclose where the money is coming from, disguising Teabag campaigns as if they were heartland or grassroots campaigns, seek to kill the EPA (whether by legislation or killing its funding) so that corporate polluters who are subsidized to pollute (falsely inflating profits because the taxpayer picks up the cleanup tab), &seek to kill very modest financial reforms (that address the root causes of the continued Great Recession), & seek to kill beneficial regulations, they are just cannibalizing ordinary citizens. So, just like the Soylent Green corp, the GOP candidates are cannibals &support making people into the food that runs the gristmill. EVERY hand went up when asked if they'd refuse to support even a modest bill that for every $10 in reduced government spending on what matters to the future& that creates many jobs, would also ask for merely $1 in increased revenue.
10:12 AM on 08/13/2011
Romney's "Corporati­ons Are People"
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Ever ask yourself, after 3 long years, why obama keeps inciting hatred toward the rich......but has not moved one finger to eliminate the tax loop holes given to.......oh lets say General Electric? Apple? Google?

CNN contacted the banks that were given the biggest chunks of the bailout: Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo and Bank of America ... The latter received $15 billion.

Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo each received $25 billion -- the largest amount given to any bank.

One of the fundamental problems with the Wall Street bailout was the people who had caused the problem were never called in front of Congress to explain what they had done, what needed to be done.

Congress did not put conditions on the bailout money, leaving lawmakers to press the Treasury Department for transparency after the money was handed out.
02:27 PM on 08/16/2011
Asking the wealthiest 1% of Americans to give a little more is not even close to "inciting hatred toward the rich". Since Reagan, the wealthiest 1% have gone from taking 33% of the US GDP to over 67%, a trend accelerated under W. They now enjoy lowest tax rates in US history. Most Americans are taxed on wage income, at b/w 35-45%, while most wealthiest Americans' income is from capital gains, taxed at just 15% - a historic low, made mostly from short-term trades, not sweat of brow. So the characterization is off-base. And Obama can't be blamed for not calling "before Congress" the "people who caused the problem"; that is up to Congress, the GOP-led majority of which is too beholden to the likes of the Koch brothers to take such action. And blaming Obama fro not closing corporate tax loopholes is false - the GOP refuse to close even 1 loophole, all 8 GOP presidential candidates agree, and the House has to vote on it but won't or filibusters all such attempts by the Dems. Let's set the record straight, please.
01:31 PM on 08/12/2011
Too soon to vote none of the above?
12:56 PM on 08/12/2011
POLL: Who won the debate in Iowa?
Vote: http://www.wepolls.com/p/1823034

I voted for Huntsman because he seems the most sensible. It was fun to see Pawlenty and Bachmann, Paul and Santorum get rowdy. Still, My vote will be for Obama in the general.
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KafeSociety
Rub me for luck!
01:31 PM on 08/12/2011
And why not? Obama's the only moderate Republican running.
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InnaGaddaDaVida
follow the beat of your own drum
04:11 PM on 08/12/2011
After voting for him in 08, I have to agree.
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LesleyAnne
04:45 PM on 08/12/2011
Ha! And I still don't like TPaw no matter how forceful they say he was. He sounded whiny to me. His balancing act with the budget in his state was nothing more than accounting gimmicks because the new gov is having to deal with it now. He's not authentic.
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fb0252
12:44 PM on 08/12/2011
seems fairly decent analysis (for a huff poster).
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
pcplz
Children, children....think before you speak!!
01:10 PM on 08/12/2011
Just what does that mean?????
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Michael Dadtka
Grim
12:01 PM on 08/12/2011
These people have framed their postions in concrete. An intelligent person in politics would know that's death. So let them squirm out of it if they can.
11:27 AM on 08/12/2011
JON HUNTSMAN CAN BEAT OBAMA---IF THIS ISN'T WHY WE PICK ONE AMONG MANY IN A FIELD OF CANDIDATES----IT SHOULD BE.
REMEMBER, IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THAT WAS THE DEMS TO LOSE THEY DID JUST THAT. THEY NOMINATED JOHN KERRY.

AGAIN, IN THE RECENT ELECTION THE REPS HAD THE EDGE. UNTILTHEY FIELDED MCCAIN AND PALIN---DUMB AND WORSE, AN UNELECTABLE COMBO. I ADMIRE SEN. MCCAIN. AFTERALL, HE GAVE ME A NRCC AWARD AS ONE OF 12 REP. BUSINESS MEN OF THAT YEAR.

SO WHY JON HUNTSMAN ?
1. HE'S HONEST
2. HE'S INTELLEGENT. OUR PRESIDENT PICKED HIM, A REP. FOR OUR MOST
IMPORTANT AMBASSADORSHIP--CHINA !
3 HE HAS FOREIGN AFFAIRS EXPERIENCE.
4. HE HAS EXECUTIVE SKILLS AS THE ACCLAIMED GOV. OF UTAH.
5. HE'S PHOTOGENIC.
6. HE HAS A HANDSOME AND LOVING FAMILY.
7. HE WINS ELECTIONS. GETS REELECTED AND HAS A HIGH APPROVAL RATING AMONG HIS CONSTITUENTS.

WHERE IS THE PROBLEM HERE ? OK, HE'S NOT THE GREATEST CAMPAIGNER. SO WHAT !
HOWS OUR PRESIDENT GOING TO DEBATE (ATTACK) THE VERY GUY HE PICKED TO REPRESENT THE USA . AND THIS IN THE HOME COURT OF OUR NOW AND FUTURE COMPETITOR FOR WORLD LEADERSHIP.

HUNTSMAN FOR PRESIDENT !!!

ALLEN MARKELSON
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pcplz
Children, children....think before you speak!!
01:11 PM on 08/12/2011
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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KafeSociety
Rub me for luck!
01:32 PM on 08/12/2011
Please don't shout.
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stingjim
Conservative
10:36 AM on 08/12/2011
You won't find any new organization printing these facts.
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009 -- it was actually January 3rd 2007.
That day, the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and Senate, the start date of the 110th Congress.
The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in
1995.
For those of you who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault," think about this:
On January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment
rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember the day January 3rd, 2007 was also the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took

over the Senate Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND
FINANCIAL SERVICES! THANK YOU DEMOCRATS for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment to this CRISIS by (among
MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOS!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy).
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fb0252
12:42 PM on 08/12/2011
u get seriously mixed up my friend. "liberals" is 50% of majority voter." minority no care over "liberal-conservative". u therefore talk maybe 30% population. minority vote 100% obama regardless of liberal-conservative.
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Tess41
say a prayer for the pretender
02:32 PM on 08/12/2011
"minority vote 100% obama regardless of liberal-co­nservative­." If so, you are proving the ignorance of our minorities.
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dfloyd chef
Freedom is something that dies unless it's used
12:46 PM on 08/12/2011
Right on! And don't forget the housing bubble was created by Carter, Clinton, Frank, et al.