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America in 2012 Is Not Germany in 1930's

Posted: 09/19/2012 1:07 pm

Co-authored by Julianne Shinto.

The constant and increasing use of Nazi and Holocaust imagery and associations that have been occurring in what is passing for political discourse in the USA has to stop.

It does nothing to improve the dialogue between the parties and certainly does everything to diminish the impact and importance of this horrible experiment in mass human destruction. There are lots of words in the English language to describe someone with whom you have a disagreement about politics with. But these are ones that describe an indescribable horror, words that hurt many people today when they hear them still.

The Holocaust (Shoah or השואה) as it is known in Hebrew was a terrible, terrible part of modern human history. Before you start using casual references, or calling someone a Nazi or comparing our current situation to the Holocaust - perhaps you should think again. Perhaps even you should schedule a visit to the U.S. National Holocaust Memorial Museum or if you are lucky enough to be able to travel to Israel to Yad V'shem and see for yourself what horrors were done by the Germans not just to people of the Jewish Faith, but to Catholics, Gays, anyone of color or anyone who might have just been different.

In campaign years, the rhetoric is often hot, unflattering and downright mean. That is to be expected, and is allowable in the United States due to our long recognition of freedom of speech as recognized by both the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights and Amendments. (First Amendment).

But how far does this go? Are you free when you are associating someone running for office; ie, serving their country; with history's largest organized mass murder? How does this possibly help move your message forward? Does freedom get imbued by how angry you make people? Or does this cause more resentment, more political dislocation and thusly also cause people to lose interest in the political system? Perhaps that is the idea; at least for some who actively use this line of thinking and phraseology; the more they incense others, the more the others stop being part of the debate?

The United States right now is both going through another Presidential Campaign cycle and simultaneously seeing an explosion in word association and imagery with the Holocaust and the Nazis. The internet and social media just make this more immediate and in your face. We have, since world war II seen this type of language used. But the instant and global nature of social media driven communications now brings it home in ways it never did before. Where before it was isolated incidents in small towns or big cities; now that same message can reach thousands or even millions instantly. Gov 2.0 and other transparency initiatives only help to bring to light such nasty comments as well, though inadvertently.

But a basic question needs to be asked: How does this possibly help any candidate for office of any party when their supporters reach to such lows? Is this not evidence of a further decline in political discourse and a continued split amongst our people? How does horrific imagery and nasty language improve the debt situation or increase jobs for those out of work or fix our foreign policy issues? How?

 

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frank1946
Tell the Truth
07:05 AM on 09/21/2012
Alan, just the Facts, only the Facts !

Analogy between the 30's and today is actually quite similar.

With one exception...................America is insolvent and vulnerable to attack in 2012.

USA can only rely on technology to defend itself !
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Jamal Spencer
just me being myself
05:46 AM on 09/21/2012
The problem with America is that we are letting people who lack common sense and was probably raised by relatives to disregard everyone because we have the power to ruined their lives,while we get ahead. Not all Americans are bad,but there is that chosen few who hate interracial dating,hate the President and hate certain races because skin color or religion,just to name a few. What we as a society need to do is to ignore the ignorant,move on and live the life that God wants us to live. I feel like that Dr. King and people who follow his lead would be very disappointed in our attitude against our fellow man,woman and child and for this country to move forward,we have to admit that we need to get along and work with each other in making our country good again in the world's eyes. We have the ability to do it,but do we have the patience and the time to do it? I hope so.
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equilange
you tell me
06:39 AM on 09/21/2012
Amen!
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Alan W. Silberberg
Technology Innovator, Analyst and Advisor
09:29 PM on 09/23/2012
Thank you. :)
03:12 AM on 09/21/2012
Free Gaza! End Is raeli apart heid now!
wetcoastm
Free Speech As Dictated By Our Sponsors
12:28 AM on 09/21/2012
The Nazis did not just show up on a Tuesday and start attacking people. Theirs was a very long, systemic removal of peoples rights and we should not pretend that they were any different from the rest of us. There are some very dangerous people in our world, people who we should not write off as simply crazy or extremist. We need to keep a light on those people and challenge them when they lobby politicians, spew hate over the radio, try to destroy unions.

They could do what they did because it started little by little and we should never forget it.
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equilange
you tell me
06:36 AM on 09/21/2012
I agree with you. While tossing epithets at individuals may be questionable, we should not take our eye off the big picture. The conservative-corporatist agenda and it's quest for unchallenged domination and authority is something we've seen before, and it does bear eerie resemblance to that sad period in human history.

Mussolini said it best: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." The separation of corporate power and the state is as important as the separation of church and state, and given the near religious worship of unrestrained capitalism in contemporary American society, there is not much daylight between corporatism and church.

We should learn from our own human history, lest we be doomed to repeat it.
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InedaName
Clowns to the Left of me. Jokers to the Right.
06:56 PM on 09/23/2012
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

I have posted that quote here on HP more than once.

Here's a more recent one for you:

"Is this the United States Congress or the Board Of Directors of Goldman Sachs?"
-- ***former*** Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D - OH) in a speech on the House floor regarding the proposed Wall Street bailout, September 28, 2008
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Veneita
If trolls had minds, they wouldn't be trolls
04:21 PM on 09/20/2012
Well said!
itolduso
lateral thinker
02:40 PM on 09/20/2012
In many US states today...if you lack the proper 'documents'....you do not exist as a citizen with full rights and protection. You will be denied the right to travel on airplanes and trains. You will be denied access to government buildings and the elected Representatives in them.You will be denied access to your own bank accounts. You will be denied the right to vote. In some states, you can be stopped by the police for looking different and arrested for failing to produce the proper documents.
Some will claim that I am overreacting, that anyone may obtain the 'proper' document. But they are wrong. I have witnessed an 87 year old citizen denied a simple photo ID, simply because she could not produce every document the state demanded. She had more than enough 'proof' of who she was and where she lived. Enough 'proof' to receive medicare and social security benefits. Enough proof to satify the private insurance company that payed for her cancer surgery and treatments. But not enough 'proof' for the state to issue a simple photo ID to prove that she existed legally. When state agents are given the power to erase a citizen's existence based on an arbitrary and strictly limited requirement of 'proper documents'- when that power is used to disenfranchise, disempower, and discriminate against certain segments of our population based on race, creed, or color- we are closer to 1930's Germany than you think.
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equilange
you tell me
06:43 AM on 09/21/2012
Well said!
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Alan W. Silberberg
Technology Innovator, Analyst and Advisor
09:29 PM on 09/23/2012
Thanks.
02:27 PM on 09/20/2012
The Holocaust was the most terrible act perpetrated by the Nazis (on Jews, Gypsies, Gays, and other minorities alike) but it is not equal to the Nazis.

One can talk about the rise of the Nazi party without invoking the horrors of the genocide.

Good Americans have stood by as the USA has invaded country after country - much as good Germans did in the thirties.

For some time now the US government has grown more "of, by, and for" the large US corporations month after month... the very definition of fascism.

Our leading media practices Orwellian style agitprop 24 hours a day - every day.

Don't you think it's about time we start talking about Nazis?

If not, when do you think we should start?
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
equilange
you tell me
06:44 AM on 09/21/2012
I think we should keep talking about it until people come to their senses.
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LloydDrako
01:52 PM on 09/20/2012
One thing America most definitely has in common with Weimar Germany is a large number of young people who are overeducated and underemployed.
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tnkeating
Dyslexic agnostic insomniac
01:10 PM on 09/20/2012
Kitty Werthmann and her personal history of Austria from 1938 to the end of WW2 would be disaggreeing with you, but it must depend on what history you read and your definition of the word "is" is.
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
12:39 PM on 09/20/2012
This article reminds me of a German one that I read in 1932.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
11:24 AM on 09/20/2012
"Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it"

Personally, I see way too many similarities between the U.S. of today, and Germany in the 30's.

When a small percentage of our people. OWN the media, and the message, we become sheeple easily lead, and easily misinformed. It's "The Big Lie Theory" in action, 24/7 on cable TV.

In the last 10 days, I personally have received 9 flyers in my mailbox. All from the Romney campaign or pacs, and ALL of them, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM......based on lies.

If he who lies best wins, what next?

What of Citizens United? Where our own Supreme Court puts a "For sale to highest bidder" sign outside the capitol building?

What of the comments made by our "Good Christian" leaders about the Muslims "These people are ANIMALS"?

No sir, I disagree.

The similarities are striking..............and they scare the CRAP out of me.
Jay Haney
My nuclear family imploded when I was 18. I've bee
02:02 PM on 09/20/2012
It only would scare me if I saw a majority of the nation buying the arguments. That was true of the 2000s. It is no longer true now.
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HeevenSteven
20 Minutes into the future.
11:24 AM on 09/20/2012
The comparisons are not to the holocaust, but to the rise of Fascism in Europe; and they are legitimate IMO.
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01:57 PM on 09/20/2012
Exactly! I think if you were to describe the tenets of corporate fascism to now average right winger in the US they wouldn't find much to argue with. And certainly if their leaders were to espouse the positions of Mussolini (corp. fascist) they would like what they were hearing.
Scary times indeed.
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equilange
you tell me
06:51 AM on 09/21/2012
That's what happens when a culture comes to worship capitalism as god and savior. I'm not religious, but the propaganda which idolizes unrestrained capitalism smells like cult speech to me. I think OWS broke down the impermeable ideology of capitalism being the hallmark of democracy (instead of the framework for our new plantation society), we need to keep pushing back and exposing the ugly reality of the neofeudal order before it subsumes all of us.
09:46 AM on 09/20/2012
I am glad to see the numerous posts pointing out the similarities between our current behaviors and those that occurred prior to the Nazi regime. One thing I've not seen is commentary on the Nazi media machine. A big part of Nazi success was their absolute control of the message and a fear to stand up to that message. And as I'm sure many recognize, we have our equivalent in FOX news. Fortunately, we have the likes of John Stewart and others to point out the shenanigans this supposed news outlet fosters on us. On the other hand, none of the major news outlets has helped at all. Their insistence that every view has merit is a disservice to all of us.
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batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
08:40 AM on 09/20/2012
“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.” -- Franklin D. Roosevelt


“When fascism comes to America, it will come in the form of democracy.” -- Senator Huey Long


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
-- Sinclair Lewis
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batguano
As Long As Grass Grow, Wind Blow & The Sky Is Blue
08:31 AM on 09/20/2012
Anyone who has seen the documentary films made when the British & Allies liberated German concentration camps knows the truth of this, witnessed with their own eyes; those films should be reviewed from time to time to remember.

There have been other attempted and actual genocides in our world history that also had similar effects but the film aspect was not as visible or non-existent, and the political use of the horrors not widely used or exploited. There are echoes of similar human behavior in today’s world, but we have apparently learned and evolved little as a species generally in a moral sense. Even those who should know more than others continue acts of hideous brutality and inhumanity against other groups and ethnicities in the name of "security" or "survival" or "religion", everyday personal economic greed and acquisition, or leadership struggles; Man's inhumanity to man is still secure.

Divisiveness and tribalism is still the norm, those who are different are to be hated or subject to racism or discrimination to further the dominant entity or for political advantage. The ability of the world community to stop current horrors without further horror and killing (and associated profits) is non-existent. Even those who profess a moral compass with regard to humans are blind to the horrors and gradual extermination of numerous animal species that experience horrors of their own to “benefit” human “development” and economic “growth”. What then must we do?