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With POTUS In Town, San Franciscans Debate Relevance of Democratic Party

Posted: 02/16/2012 4:57 pm

Single payer health care and the National Defense Authorization Act. Police militarization and voter disenfranchisement. People power and organized labor. And of course -- 'Occupy.' These and other social issues sparked passionate debate amongst a crowd of 380 gathered in San Francisco's First Unitarian Universalist Church on Wednesday, Feb. 15 for a panel discussion on 'which way forward' for progressive activists in the U.S.

Presented by San Francisco's fledgling 99% Coalition, an Occupy offshoot committed to exclusively nonviolent action, the forum featured four local progressive activists and was moderated by local radio show host Rose Aguilar. On the night preceding a campaign fundraising visit to San Francisco by President Obama, they addressed a range of topics concerning U.S. foreign and domestic policy and strategies for altering the current climate of American politics.

But the most cogent and controversial debate erupted around the validity of the Democratic party as a choice for voters disenchanted with policies of the Obama administration.

"While neither of the parties are anything close to what people in this room would like, it is not the same as saying there is no difference," panelist Tom Gallagher said over boos from the crowd.

After a scathing critique of President Obama's foreign policy, Gallagher, a former Massachusetts state representative and current chair of the Progressive Democrats of America's San Francisco chapter, asked what happens in the U.S. if a third party presidential candidate gets 5 percent of the vote.

"You bring in the Republican party, which makes matters even worse," he said. "It's like we're pretending the 2000 election never happened."

Gallagher encouraged "occupying the Democratic party" and said a Ron Paul-like candidate should be challenging Obama in a Democratic primary.

Justice Party presidential candidate Rocky Anderson responded to Gallagher by asking where voters in a democratic society should draw the line when choosing to vote for the lesser of two evils: at violation of the War Powers Act with the Obama administration's involvement in Libya without congressional approval? at a health care reform act that strengthens private insurance companies' control over the health of the nation? or at the passage of the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows for indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without due process protections?

"What we have in this country is a government of the wealthy, not one that acts in the public interest, and it's happened with the collusion and cooperation of both the Democratic and Republican parties," Anderson said over uproarious applause. "It will continue if we don't let them know that we're going to take it in a different direction, and we're going to insist on not just changing around the players within this perverse game that they play. We're changing the game."

Panelist Margaret Flowers, Maryland chair of Physicians for a National Health Program and an Occupy Washington D.C. organizer, agreed that meaningful change of a corporate-controlled political system was impossible within either of the two major U.S. political parties. But instead of advocating for a third party vote, Flowers focused on activism outside electoral politics.

"We're creating a democratized economy in this country," Flowers said. "A hundred twenty million people in the U.S. are already members of cooperatives. This is how we undermine corporate power."

Flowers talked about building grassroots institutions like food co-ops and decentralized municipal energy production to serve as alternatives to the "nine pillars of corporate power" in the U.S., among which she named mass media companies and public sector workers.

Organized labor proponent Dave Welsh drew attention to the relationship between the Occupy movement and unions, especially the International Longshore and Warehouse Union. ILWU collaborated with Occupy Oakland on Nov. 2, 2011, in an attempt to shut down the Port of Oakland, and with multiple occupy encampments in other cities to shut down ports along the West Coast on Dec. 12.

Welsh said the "symbiotic relationship" between unions and the Occupy movement had already netted concrete results, including an ILWU victory over international food importing and exporting company EGT. He admitted that some people traditionally aligned with organized labor are afraid of Occupy's sometimes militant actions, while occupiers fear co-option from labor, but that both were misguided.

"People see a hammer coming down on working people, being swung by the one percent," Welsh said. "Occupy changed the national conversation. It changed the framework in which people think. It brought a new energy and fire to the people's movement."

San Francisco resident and retired civil servant Mo Shoore said the discussion was interesting but too generalized, and that activists should settle on a rallying issue, like health care, to coalesce the diverse Occupy movement. He also weighed in on the debate between electoral politics and change from outside the system.

"Any kind of social movement or change in this country has come from outside," he said, noting that he registered with Anderson's Justice party at the event.

Moderator Rose Aguilar, host of the radio show "Your Call" on KALW-FM in the City, brought up the concept of police department militarization, and although the panelists did not discuss Occupy's sometimes radical tactics or police handling of the protests during the forum, the worry that clashes between protesters and police could soon become much more violent was voiced in the conversations that followed.

Outside the forum, Margaret Flowers talked about joint military-police training in Los Angeles.

"We're challenging a very powerful structure in this country, and to think it's going to go down peaceably is just naïve," she said. "This is a war. They're going to be violent, and it's up to us to maintain our strength and remain non-violent."

Alex Emslie is a journalism student at San Francisco State University and cofounder of Bay News Movement, an independent multimedia news site. This is his first piece for Off The Bus. If you would like to contribute as a citizen journalist to The Huffington Post's coverage of American politics,please contact us at www.offthebus.org.

 
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hmagbie
09:48 AM on 02/25/2012
You have to push the President. The Occupy movement is all over the place and unfocused. They need to become a political movement and concentrate on the CANCER not the obvious symptoms. Repeal the Commodities Modernization Act of 2000 and the Financial Modernization Act of 1999 and get speculators out of the Commodities markets. That's what's fueling the rise in prices not only oil. That's the cancer on our economy . REPEAL!!!!
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11:16 PM on 02/23/2012
This is the true discussion and sharing of understanding and ideas that is needed. Occupy will never be co-opted because they are U.S. But, anyone for human rights, justice and truth is co-opted by the Occupy movement with or without consent. They just don't know it yet. Please continue to teach humanity the reality of the oligarchy controlling our government, and reinforcing the list of demands that address it, loudly and in whatever combination of words, emphasis, and actions necessary to propel the impeccable truth into the closed deluded consciousness of the multitude of Fox News/Mainstream media slavesheep-zombies. That is something all of us 'can' do. Make your truth as effective as the money spent on lies sponsored ALEC controlling media, Congress, the fake Federal Reserve Bank, SCOTUS, and the White House.

Knowledge is power, and we 'must' educate the ignorant as a first priority to defend against big oil's climate deniers/ big corporation's wage and student debt slavery/ military industrial complex's investment and incitement of wars / big pharma's and big insurance doping and bankrupting of the sick, etc. As long as we the people do that, while emphasizing and becoming the solutions, we will continue to unite as needed, and address the fascist Ayan Rand genocidal fake free-market 1% committing genocide imprisonment, and slavery on we & the planet, in the name of America.
05:51 PM on 02/20/2012
As opposed to what?
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Salukeitis
03:14 PM on 02/23/2012
Did you read the article. Not opposed to either party. It has to come from the outside.
FORCES ARE GATHERING WHETHER YOU RECOGNiZE THAT OR NOT.
12:44 AM on 02/19/2012
Three hundred eighty people getting together for a meeting about progressives isn't what I call a meaningful assembly of a real movement. I applaud their effort, but by no means does it provide any answers to move progressively ahead. More can be done at the polling stations than any where else. We can all have our voices heard if we vote and become involved AFTER we vote, not just one day a year. Change can be had, but if you don't vote, it won't happen.
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Noisyguy
07:57 PM on 02/17/2012
I like what Rocky Anderson had to say about National Defense Authorization Act. He's got my vote!
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Binea
Only a fool denies she is a fool, I am no fool
12:13 PM on 02/17/2012
Gallagher encouraged "occupying the Democratic party" and said a Ron Paul-like candidate should be challenging Obama in a Democratic primary.

I jumped from a life long Repub voter,to Vote for the Most "Liberal" man in the senate ( according to the media in 08. I despised his pro choice extremes ( he was ok with even "partial birth" abortion)
I had always been a social conserv,voting according to "values". Then I realized that with the exception of Abortion and pro family values,NONE of their other values matched up.They always use a couple of social issues to gain power then they lied us into war,tortured people,then justified themselves ( forgetting that "God" isn't as gullible as people are) and the wars spread to whole mid east and all ,For control of OIL.
I know "evil" is a word usually used by religious folks,but.it's real,and they ARE evil.

So..I voted for Obama,believing that he would end the wars ,NOT start a bunch more.I was told he'd get rid of the patriot act.but,Instead he did the complete opposite and even went FURTHER in erosion of constitutional protections and human rights violations. Even "Children" were tortured by people Obama, or whoever makes the military decisons about WHERE to send those captured, SENT them to. http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/10/10/analysis-afghan-torture-rife-un-report-reveals/

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11:37 AM on 02/17/2012
I like what I'm hearing!
11:11 AM on 02/17/2012
obama is doing a solid job considering the circumstances
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nkdgolf
Be the best that you can be!
12:21 AM on 02/18/2012
We deserve more than someone doing a solid job.
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dreux62
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10:48 AM on 02/17/2012
I actually am kind of surprise that the discourse continues to focus solely on the national level. It is somewhat understandable but the grass-roots movements of the last 12 years show that it is not really necessary or even the best place to start. If youi want to break the power of the two party system, start local. Alternatively, what about a state changing its constitution to more impower the people. Rebuild the system from the bottom not the top down. Much of the unfortunate success that the GHOP has had is because of this. If progressives want to change the system they need to do the same.
08:19 PM on 02/16/2012
The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
09:38 AM on 02/17/2012
agree
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sfbearman
12:20 PM on 02/17/2012
What? Have you looked at voter turnout lately? The people who care and are affected are simply not voting.