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As Fracking Crosses the Delaware, Deepak Chopra and Mark Ruffalo Talk Fracking, Water, Energy, and Health

Posted: 09/19/11 06:48 PM ET

Last week, Deepak Chopra invited Mark Ruffalo, a well-informed advocate of water defense, to dialogue with him about fracking, the fast-forward gas drilling practice that has colonized 23 states thus far. Chopra and Ruffalo met before a studio audience at DeepakHomeBase, (the new social media salon co-launched by Chopra and Paulette Cole, the CEO of ABCHome) which is featuring a series of "Love in Action" conversations with celebrity cause champions (like Ruffalo, Russell Simmons and Fran Drescher).

Although they met for the first time, both Deepak Chopra and Mark Ruffalo have something in common: As New York residents, they drink water that originates in the Delaware River -- and so do 15 million other Americans residing in New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Delaware. In less than five weeks, a governmental commission, authorized by President Obama to permit fracking wells next to the Delaware River, will green-light drilling to begin. Since the fracking process uses over 500 highly toxic chemicals, once those wells are fracked, Ruffalo is convinced that the water used by he, Chopra and 15 million other folks will be impacted.

"In my area, in the last five years, we've had a once in 50-year flood, a 150-year flood, and a 500-year flood," Ruffalo reported. "The fracking chemicals sit in open pits, get trucked around, or sent through pipelines that can burst. What do you think happens when frack chemicals and floods and storm swollen rivers mix?"

When fracking chemicals migrate, there's no currently known fix. A letter sent to New York's governor by 59 scientists, including four from the prestigious National Academy of Science, underscored that municipal filtration systems won't be adequate to filter fracking contaminants, which include "benzene and other volatile aromatic hydrocarbons, surfactants and organic biocides, barium and other toxic metals, and soluble radioactive compounds containing thorium, radium, and uranium."

"We're made up of water, and whatever we put into the water system will eventually migrate into us and recirculate in the human bloodstream," Chopra told Ruffalo.

Indeed, Duke University studies confirm that fracking chemicals often migrate into area water supplies, and a recent ProPublica article reveals that scientific research into the very health impacts that Chopra describes, is woefully inadequate:

"Water and air pollution are present in the same regions where residents say they are getting sick. Last spring, the EPA doubled its estimates of methane gas leaked from drilling equipment and said the amount of methane pollution that billows from fracking operations was 9,000 times higher than researchers had previously thought."

Though leakage is higher, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is investigating whether the usable gas is far lower than estimated in gas company projections.

"Many of these chemicals are 'endocrine disruptors,'" Ruffalo told Chopra. "What do those do?"

"The endocrine system consists of all the hormones and glands that run the body. If we allow neurotoxins and carcinogens to disrupt the body's healing system, we're done." Chopra warned. "We are tampering with the web of life."

But like most of us, Chopra couldn't quite believe that elected officials would permit this. Officials like New York's Governor Cuomo, who in July lifted a temporary order, and green-lighted drilling in New York; and President Obama, who according to Julia Walsh of Frack Action, both supports the drilling in the Delaware River basin, and also signed an agreement for gas drilling to proceed at the very foot of the Himalayas (!).

Chopra was incredulous. "There's no law to prevent it just because some company decided to do this?" he asked.

"If fracking fell under the standard regulations that all other industries must follow, we wouldn't be sitting here, having this conversation today," Ruffalo told him. "No industry in modern times has enjoyed the same amount of deregulation. They in no way are compelled to comply with the Safe Water Act, the Safe Drinking Water Act, and more -- and they don't. If they want to make fracking quote unquote safe, all they would have to do is comply with those regs."

Critiquing the claim that fracking is the "bridge to renewables," Ruffalo calls it "the bridge to nowhere." He favors the rapid development of renewable energy technologies, such as solar, geothermal, wind, wave, and many more, which Stanford Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering Mark Z. Jacobson has shown can meet energy needs, while slowing climate change (in a TED talk highlighted here.)

"It's imperative that we opt out of the fossil fuel endgame," says Ruffalo, who also appeared on Al Gore's Twenty-Four Hours of Reality program last week (to watch, go here). He contends that another 30 years of extreme forms of fossil fuel extraction, like Tar Sands and fracking, will accelerate climate change which is already escalating towards the point of human extinction. "For the sake of our children, we must stop this now," he urged.

"So far we've lacked the political will," Chopra mused.

"What's driving this is the will of our politicians, they have our health and well being in their hands," replied Ruffalo.

Over the next five weeks is the countdown for water contamination in five states and two major urban areas of the Northeast. Once active drilling begins, 15 million people join Deepak Chopra and Mark Ruffalo in finding out all that the government doesn't know about fracking. That's why Mark Ruffalo's new organization Water Defense currently features action links for contacting both the president and the governor, to fill them in before rather than after fracking crosses the Delaware, while Frack Action and United for Action are sponsoring actions to prevent fracking the Delaware. Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy have info on the plans to frack New York, and Catskill Mountainkeeper offers more information on flooding and fracking. To learn more about fracking, see the Oscar nominated film, Gasland, by Emmy Award-winning director Josh Fox.


So my question to you is this: Do you think that New York's water supply is vulnerable to fracking? If so, why? If not, why not?

You can get updates on DeepakHomeBase's ongoing "Love in Action" series here, answer my question here in comments (or here on video), upload videos on your experiences with fracking here, and get the coverage of health, environment, food, public policy, and activism (plus radio and podcasts) by following me on Huffington, and getting my free ezine here.

 

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Last week, Deepak Chopra invited Mark Ruffalo, a well-informed advocate of water defense, to dialogue with him about fracking, the fast-forward gas drilling practice that has colonized 23 states thus ...
Last week, Deepak Chopra invited Mark Ruffalo, a well-informed advocate of water defense, to dialogue with him about fracking, the fast-forward gas drilling practice that has colonized 23 states thus ...
 
 
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04:01 PM on 10/19/2011
Senator Greg Ball has been an outspoken foe against fracking. He's one of the few pols in NYS to actually visit PA. I don't usually agree with him on many issue's but he is dead on on this.

http://www.theexaminernews.com/2011/10/ball-to-cuomo-get-your-fracks-straight/
09:36 AM on 10/08/2011
GEORGE W. BUSH- President of the United States of America, 2000-2012
03:40 AM on 09/26/2011
clean energy? Natural Gas burns clean, Obama got that right. didn't anyone tell him that BenzeneTolueneXyleneBoriumStrontium and 495 other industrial chemicals in the Million Gallons of Wastewater per FrackingWell and there are hundreds of wells in every locality...
are going to hit the watershed running down to Philadelphia and New York City.
no one could be insane enough to permit this criminal negligence, again! without criminal implications. this is not Big Business in the American Way. this is not 'good neighbor.'
i'll offer you a clear glass of brown tap water from Dimmick, Pennsylvania, and you can drink it in confidence that you are right that the danger has not been proved!
have you read the list of 500 chemicals you are puttting into the taps of a million Americans?

the Frackers say we are protected! they dig a ditch for the million gallons of toxic water. lined with 4mm plastic sheeting like garbage bag plastic. that should last 8 months before spewing the water downhill. Interesting, the EPA Regulation (that MUST have been written by the fracking lawyer which the EPA weakly accepted) says "the fracker is not liable for any damages after 6 months and 1000 feet."
so you can't sue them if your well is that far away. a million gallons of water can't travel a thousand feet, and hit the watershed running and move miles?
THANKS, Alison, for calling attention to this crucial matter!!!
12:52 PM on 09/24/2011
Great article -- very concise. Thank you. Two links may further the discussion. First, another perspective on the water question. It takes over 1 million gallons of fresh water to drill one well, sometimes more. Wells are fracked multiple times, each time w/ that amount of water. As a result, this water is permanently "disappeared" from the hydro cycle. About half of it is left in the ground and the other half is hopelessly contaminated w/ fracking chemicals. See Sandra Steingraber's brief, eloquent reading from her book on this unprecedented destruction of water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLyoAU85JJU

Then, in terms of expert testimony, Dr. Theo Coburn, an independent scientist, has studied fracking chemicals and their health effects. This is a link to her testimony before Congress and includes details of studies in the Appendices: http://s3.amazonaws.com/propublica/assets/natural_gas/colburn_testimony_071025.pdf
03:30 PM on 09/22/2011
This is the best article I've seen explaining the health and environmental issues related to hydrofracking. It explains the chemicals involved and how they lay in open pools and in pipes that can leak or burst. When you take into consideration all the flooding, earthquakes etc. that we are experiencing you can see how these chemicals can contaminate our water and air. Our waterwaste systems are not able to decontaminate many of these chemicals. Many are neurotoxins, carcinogens and endocrine disruptors.They are creating a new plethera of symptoms that doctors are not familiar with and don't know how to treat, let alone diagnose.
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02:04 AM on 09/22/2011
If all pleas and advice falls to deaf ears and the go ahaead is given the will Mr. Mark Buffalo do it if his company is awrded the job?
06:54 PM on 09/21/2011
Thanks for this great piece, Alison! It is inspiring to learn about this important conversation and the necessity of stopping fracking! Mark is a tireless advocate for the environment and is honored as a 2011 Huff Game Changer- please vote for him: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/14/who-is-the-ultimate-game-_n_962916.html?ref=2011-game-changers#s362737&title=Mark_Ruffalo
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04:42 PM on 09/21/2011
Keep writing on fracking, Alison ... and to the people who continue to say this is better than that ... gas vs coal ... it's all bad! Mad science unleashed by corporate behemoths and their puppet government. We will be forced to change our ways ... and it probably won't be pretty.
12:38 PM on 09/21/2011
It's odd that we're being put in the position of proving something dangerous before some tipping point of disaster stories is met and the industry is forced to halt what they're doing while they get their act together. If water is going to be treated as a commodity (and I'm uncomfortable with that notion, but I can work with it) shouldn't the industry have to prove that their technology is safe - as an industry does with any other consumer good?
10:01 AM on 09/22/2011
This is the point we have been trying to make all along.....the burden of proof shouldn't be on the people but the industry.
Unfortunately this industry is exempt from all regulations other industries must abide by and they get special treatment because of the amount of $$ they contribute to campaigns!
03:24 PM on 09/20/2011
It's because of Bush and Cheney creating the Halliburton Loophole, which exempts gas/oil from responsibility for damaging our water, soil or air, that allows this to go on, all across the country. These rapist corporations are running amuck, raking in the big cash, while permanently destroying clean water aquifers (there is no known way to remove all the frack chemicals from our water), and while also putting toxins into our air, that can literally kill us and our families. Anyone who condones this, either doesn't live near a well, or they still believe government is on our side. Try sleeping with choking mystery smells wafting in your window, as giant blow torch-like sounds scream all night long, as they burn off these wells, letting off unknown levels of methane, and other toxic gases, into our air. This is anti-human, sociopathic greed on a mega scale. It needs to stop, or we will lose our beautiful planet, and our lives on it.
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03:17 PM on 09/20/2011
It is good that awareness is being raised by these two. But it all boils down to who is being fracked!
03:01 PM on 09/20/2011
I'm still waiting see to a peer reviewed study in a reputable scientific journal documenting aquifer contamination by fracing. So far, I put this in the same category as "scare of the week" along with Bachmann's dangerous vaccines and chemtrails. While the real problems of overpopulation and overfishing get swept under the rug.
09:58 PM on 09/20/2011
There are certainly environmental impacts from shale production just like there are from any extractive industry. These issues do however have technology solutions and are manageable. Numbers: 20,000 shale wells drilled in last 10 years, 43 major incidents (reported in press), none related to fracking, almost all related to poor drilling practices. even the NYT said it found one, yes one, case of groundwater contamination from fracking and that was in 1984. The article did indicate something to the effect that there were more out there, they knew there were more out there, they just could find nothing to actually confirm it, prove it, etc. All innuendo.

I do not excuse the gas industry. It needs to clean up its act, stop taking arrogance pills and support sensible regulation and severance taxes dedicated to building the disposal infrastructure in the Marcellus that does not yet exist because it is an immature resource province. But the other side needs to stop with the hysteria and get constructive. It's so stupid.
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07:59 PM on 09/28/2011
Do you live in an area that is being or going to be fracked?

If you don't, don't you dare accuse us of being hysterical. Every week another study, another set of data, etc. emerges about another impact from fracking.

In NYS where I live, they're looking to do an intiial buildout of 60,000 wells. One 3-5 acre well pad set every square mile. Think about that and the effect on the landscape. Every well generates an average of 2,000 truck trips daily and takes millions of gallons of water to frack. Some of which, by the way, then gets imprisoned down in the shale beds, forever out of the water table. This is the first time in the history of this planet that we've actually removed water from the planet. 

We were told by a USGS geologist that ONE QUARTER of the wells drilled in NYS would in all likelihood have environmental impacts similar to Dimock, PA. That's 15,000 wells of the initial 60,000. 

 The NYT reported on one case of water contamination because that's as far as scientists have been able to look -- the gas companies have been settling out of court and demanding gag orders for people who have had issues. Look it up.
05:17 AM on 09/29/2011
I am not from the Marcellus region, I am from the SW where we have been producing gas for 60 years and sending it to you consumers. I think we need gas to help mitigate climate change and please do not send me two outlier studies from Howarth and Wrigley. Read the National Academy works or MIT's works on gas and climate which says shale gas production in the Marcellus uses
10:12 AM on 09/22/2011
http://www.naturalgaswatch.org/?p=381

http://marcellusprotest.org/Ingraffea-9-point-letter

2 good resources to explain water contamination from Natural Gas extraction, one from Duke University and one from Cornell.
02:58 PM on 09/20/2011
It would be wonderful to buy the mineral rights under the land of the homes of major energy company CEOs. Then go in there and build a drilling pad and a chemical retention pond. Once they are all having to live with it in their "backyards," well, they just might change their tunes.

Another great film on the subject of fracking is Split Estate.

http://www.splitestate.com/
12:56 PM on 09/20/2011
Thank you Julia, Deepak and Mark for working to stop this insanity. We cannot let our water resources be put at risk.
12:55 PM on 09/20/2011
Regulations are useless when they are not followed or enforced. State officials are owned by the corporations - do you really think they are going to say NO? Local elected officials, more often than not, poop their pants when residents want them to say NO to the gassers.

It's up to each and every member of the community to get informed and get involved.