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Sages and Scientists 2011 with Deepak Chopra

Posted: 03/04/11 08:12 PM ET

"If anyone wants to understand what my Dad's true passion is, this is it," Gotham Chopra, the film maker and author son of Deepak Chopra, told the crowd of several hundred people gathered at the Sages and Scientists Symposium in Carlsbad, California, last weekend. The Chopra Foundation hosted the annual event, now in its second year.

For those familiar with TED, with its four-day gatherings of talks, entertainment, and conversation, Sages and Scientist is a beyond-TED, in-depth excursion into emerging discovery at the nexus of science and spirituality.

At the Symposium, distinguished scientists and researchers searched for scientific answers to the perennial questions posed by the spiritual wisdom traditions.

Physicists, neuroscientists, neurologists, social scientists, ecologists, and living systems biologists detailed new findings, advanced promising theories, and defined some of the open questions in their specialties. Their multi-disciplinary dialogue and open-minded inquiry bodes well for science's future.

"We're in a transition between different stories and conflicting perspectives about how we define reality," said Marilyn Schlitz, President and CEO of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, one of the presenters.

Moderating the panels in his familiar low-key style, Deepak Chopra deftly plucked gems of insight from complex theories, interweaving diverse disciplines. Far from preaching to the choir, as some claim, Chopra is a master synthesizer. He regularly partners with his critics and bridges the gap between the conventional and the frontier edge.

Leonard Mlodinow, Ph.D., a theoretical physicist who co-authored two books with Stephen Hawking, is now writing a book with Chopra. Although Mlodinow and Chopra don't always hold the same scientific perspective, they say the differences enrich their dialogue. And there is a side benefit, Mlodinow says. "Being friends with Deepak has helped me to be calmer about life."

Though often cast as opponents, classical science, quantum science, and spiritual disciplines also have much in common. For one thing, they share the same preoccupations: "Is there an ultimate reality?" and "Is that ultimate reality material?"

"The purpose of science is to figure out 'Who are we?' 'How did we get this way?' and 'Where are we going?'" evolutionary biologist, Elisabet Sahtouris, Ph.D. told the gathering.

At first glance, such matters can seem esoteric, but with the authority to embed its core assumptions in so many areas of modern society, science, and its fundamental tenets, deserve closer scrutiny.


For if science's measurements don't extend fully into significant dimensions of reality, there are decidedly un-esoteric consequences. Put simply: Following incomplete coordinates could lead humanity off course.

That's why Duane Elgin, Ph.D., visionary and author, urged that humans first ascertain whether science has correctly located and defined the ground beneath our feet.

"Where are we?" Elgin asked. "To transform our planetary crises it is vital to move past the current paradigm, and recognize the universe as alive."

Amit Goswami, Ph.D., a theoretical quantum physicist revealed his method for evaluating scientific theories. "Is it useful? " he asks himself. "The theory that integrates the most aspects is most likely to be correct."

Conventional science has been framed by its quest for objectivity. The presumption is that if science can excise all forms of human subjectivity, the end result will be accurate. But if, as Goswami contends, the most complete theory will account for all phenomena, then it may be neither desirable nor possible to omit human experience, knowledge, and consciousness, the defining human attributes. What's more, without these qualities, how could scientists even do science?

"The premise of science--that as the observer I can study objectively--assumes that the observer can step out of the experiment," Chopra said, but "how can you account for the observer without including the process of the observer?"

Goswami agreed that even for scientists, the "consequences of our observation, intention, and awareness are always present."

In its quest to over-rule subjectivity, science has essentially attempted to close the lab door on the fact of human awareness itself. Instead, it has defined matter, or material substance, as the universal building block. Life, knoweldge, and even consciousness, all arise from matter, according to that view.

"How can all of human awareness, intelligence, knowledge, and feeling arise from the secretion of a few chemicals?" puzzled Deepak Chopra.

Henry Stapp, Ph.D., Stuart Hameroff, M.D., Menas Kafatos, Ph.D., Dean Radin, Ph.D., and other scientists at the Symposium, contend that knowledge, or consciousness must be present as the foundation for an accurate and inclusive theory of everything.

In their view, science won't be able to provide accurate answers to a question like "Who are we?" if it's foundational theory is based solely on material mechanisms.

As evidence mounts that the materialist explanation of the universe is a theory of something, but not of everything, scientists can take comfort from the words of Buckminster Fuller: "Everything you've learned in school as 'obvious' becomes less and less obvious as you begin to study the universe."

"The universe is infinitely creative and self-regenerating," said Chopra.

In session after session, the presenters created scaffolding for an evolving theory that accounts for living, breathing, feeling, and conscious organisms in a living, conscious universe.

Their exchanges reminded me of the classic Indian folk tale of the blind men who were asked to describe an elephant. Because each one touched a different part, the foot, the ear, the trunk, or the tail, each man imagined that the whole animal resembled the part he knew. But none of them was able to perceive the whole elephant. Only by working together could they arrive at an accurate description of a complex reality. The cross-disciplinary dialogue at Sages and Scientists was a reminder of that truth. For anyone, and for scientists, too for that matter, humility, and cooperation can lead to deeper understanding.

"We can have Western science, Eastern science, Islamic science, indigenous science, and they can all talk to each other as equals. Why should we have the hegemony of a single science?" Deepak mused. "Let's go into the collaborative model, and value them all for their strengths."

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01:35 PM on 03/15/2011
Science & Spirituality coming together? Sweet!
09:33 AM on 03/05/2011
The recogntion of the need for the reinclusion of the subject by modern science hearkens back to what the sages of all the nondual philosophies have understood--that there is ONLY the experiencer, taking various forms, subejct and object, perceiver and perceived, pleasure and pain. Contrary to the fears that many have, this insight does not land you in an inichoate hyperspiritual world of spaced out amoral indifference. It makes you more effective, since you understand the road to changing others, and changing the world, runs right past your own house. We shouild all be grateful for Deepak Chopra's syncretic tendencies, and to you, Alison, for reporting on something that seems on the surface to be esoteric but is in fact vitally important to life here on the ground.
02:56 AM on 03/05/2011
That remains the basic problem. If material realism is the fundamental truth then consciousness is an epiphenomenon resulting from the massive organizational structure needed to keep our body working, protected, fed, and able to reproduce. If however, we find that the fabric of the universe is influenced by consciousness then it becomes reasonable to speculate that in someway consciousness is a necessary component of the universe. It remains incumbent upon us though to require physical evidence for a material, even if only on a quantum scale, proof of the necessity for a conscious actor. Otherwise, we end up talking about nebulous energies and spiritual "ideas" that, while nobly envisioned, bear no actual resemblance to the world we can describe with our senses.

It seems to me though that these questions are only able to be asked after one has had a good nights sleep in an adequate shelter, and some breakfast. As far as our science and philosophy have come, we still haven't figured out how to feed and clothe ourselves.
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06:46 AM on 03/05/2011
Yes, I care about this personally because the belief in a matter-centric universe translates into a disrespect for life, and treating the earth as a material resource, and people as things, which is sociopathic. But it's going to be a long haul until people one by one get enlightened, and if we don't address the problem at this more basic level, then the world may not be here for us to embody ourselves into on that quest. But that's just my take.
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05:03 AM on 03/06/2011
Those who think that matter-centric universe would mean disrespect for life only betray their ignorance of possibilities of matter. Those who found universe in a grain of sand were not fools. Only they knew that matter and spirit belong to a single reality. Those who get enlightened do not find something outside of this reality, they find the light, the spirit as the subtlest part underlying all superstructural parts of the same one reality. For knowing more read a couple of posts here:
http://ruminations.selfdesigneduniverse.com/2010/10/my-comment-at-huffington-post.html
http://ruminations.selfdesigneduniverse.com/2010/11/there-is-nothing-supernatural-beyond.html
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01:39 AM on 03/05/2011
AS Einstein would've said, "You need a higher level of consciousness to answer the question or questions which you have encountered at lower level of consciousness. Deepak's sages and scientists cannot answer these questions. All may collaborate their theories still they cannot have the vision of the complete elephant, going by your Indian story. The shift in consciousness to the higher or rather the highest level will fist happen in a single person (all paradigmic-shifting consciousness experiences first happen to a single person) and only then if he happens to look at the question from there will he be able to have the vision of the complete elephant. Though equally then such a person will have the problem of conveying his vision to people in general including these sages and scientists even if he writes about it. Only time will bring people to understand it when the general consciousness of the whole age would have evolved to the required higher level.
10:18 AM on 03/06/2011
Brilliantly said. I love this Universal play. E Pluribus Unum. Divine 'timing' unfolding.
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01:05 AM on 03/05/2011
Mlodinow says. "Being friends with Deepak has helped me to be calmer about life."

"The universe is infinitely creative and self-regenerating," said Chopra.

Very, very heavy. I wish I had been there!