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Israel's Posturing: Behind Netanyahu and Barak's Threats to Attack Iran

Posted: 08/21/2012 10:18 am

Successive Israeli governments have consistently inhibited in the past any public discussion about Iran's nuclear program and what Israel might do to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. In recent weeks however, Prime Minister Netanyahu and Defense Minister Barak have been openly discussing the issue while intimating their readiness to take whatever actions necessary to eliminate the Iranian threat. The question is why Netanyahu and Barak have chosen to "advertise" their deep concerns now and why they have such an urgency to act at this particular juncture, both of which have prompted newspaper reporters and pundits to speculate about what the real intentions are behind this public exposure and what is to be expected. Meanwhile, former and current officials, including President Peres, have expressed pointed objections to taking any unilateral military strikes against Iran, insisting that if such action became necessary, it must certainly be led by the U.S. to shield Israel from being singled out and blamed for the potentially disastrous regional consequences.

Having concluded that sanctions and diplomacy have failed as Iran is either technologically nearing the point of no return or achieving a zone of immunity that will make their most advanced nuclear plants at Fordo (near Qom) impregnable to air attack, the Netanyahu government has decided on a new strategy designed to achieve multiple purposes. While Israel's determination to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons has not changed, the new strategy is meant to strongly convey that Israel is not bluffing. Israel's groundwork for the new strategy is as follows: Israel will alert its closest ally, the U.S., alarm its European friends, credibly threaten Iran and gather more information, warn other enemies such as Hezbollah and Hamas, test the private sentiments and public reactions of the Sunni Arab states, and will finally prepare the Israeli public while laying in wait for the right moment to strike, should everything else fail.

The Netanyahu government has already expressed its displeasure with the strategy the Obama administration has adopted to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Whereas many Israelis believe that President Obama's credibility is on the line and he will act militarily should it become necessary, others, including Netanyahu and Barak, are not so sure. They are concerned that Obama may eventually have to choose between preventing or containing Iran and will settle on the latter by providing Israel and other Arab allies in the region with some kind of security umbrella.

Netanyahu and Barak are troubled by the fact that Obama has relied excessively on a diplomatic solution knowing full well that the Iranians are masters of playing for time. Moreover, he chose to impose gradual sanctions to which the Iranian government was able to adjust instead of inflicting real, crippling sanctions, especially after the failure of the first few sets of negotiations, which could have forced Tehran to change course. This approach, from the Israeli perspective, played into Iran's hand while engaging the P5+1 (the U.S., the United Kingdom, France, Russia and China plus Germany) in futile negotiations that have never stood a chance of success.

By asking the P5+1 to declare that the talks with Iran have failed, Netanyahu is alerting the U.S. that time is of the essence and challenging Obama to take more decisive actions against Iran. Netanyahu's rationale is that since Obama seeks to prevent an Israeli attack in an election year, he will be under immense pressure from his presidential rival, Mitt Romney, not only to adopt a final set of truly crippling sanctions but to be clear about his willingness to use force against Iran before it reaches the point of no return or enters the zone of immunity.

Netanyahu's message of alarm is directed against the EU, Turkey and China, which will be the most affected by the potential disruption of oil supplies should the Strait of Hormuz become imperiled. Netanyahu and Barak are convinced that the EU in particular is engaged in wishful thinking, believing that continuing diplomatic efforts coupled with stiffer sanctions will force the Mullahs to come to their senses. The EU clearly view Netanyahu as overzealous about Israel's national security, are extremely worried about an Israeli attack and are convinced that the repercussions will be catastrophic. Thus, for them, no attack should be contemplated as long as Iran is willing to continue to talk.

Using the repeated Iranian existential threat against Israel, and while observing the Western powers' ineptitude in the past in dealing with the genocide in Bosnia, Sudan and now the wholesale slaughter in Syria, Netanyahu has little faith in what the EU can, or will, do to bring Iran to a halt. The EU, from Netanyahu's perspective, could have done a great deal more to cripple Iran economically but it still has yet to do so. At the same time, the EU refuses to declare Hezbollah, Iran's prime surrogate but Israel's staunchest enemy, as a terrorist organization while it continues to allow Hezbollah to freely raise tens of millions of dollars in Europe, when much of it is used for buying armaments to target Israel.

The direct threat against Iran is based on Netanyahu and Barak's calculation that although public discussion about the potential attack on Iran provides Tehran more time to prepare for the worst, it will provide Israel with certain advantages. Fear of an imminent Israeli attack will force the Iranian authorities to take additional security measures to protect their nuclear facilities, which will reveal Iran's preparedness and capabilities, and expose its weaknesses and how much of its boastings of a damaging counter-attack against Israel are in fact accurate. Importantly, Israel will also be in a position to better assess the Iranian public's reaction and whether the rumors of an imminent attack will precipitate panic, which may reveal how the Iranian authorities react and pacify the public. More than anything, Israel wants Iran to take its threats seriously, which explains why Netanyahu and Barak openly stated that when it comes to Israel's national security, Israel must, in the final analysis, rely only on itself.

Netanyahu's and Barak's exposé is also intended to warn all those who might think of coming to Iran's aid by engaging Israel on another front (in particular with groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas) that they should think twice before they dare to provoke Israel. By openly discussing their intentions, Netanyahu and Barak want these groups or states to assume that Israel would not have discussed such a sensitive national security matter had it not taken into full consideration their potential involvements. The message to Hezbollah is clear: there will not be a repeat of the 2006 war, Israel will break its back and that this time around no one will come to its aid considering Syria is in shambles and Iran is under intense economic pressure and too busy to deal with the potentially catastrophic effects of an Israeli attack.

The other target of Israel's open discourse on attacking Iran is to test the Sunni Arabs, especially the Gulf States led by Saudi Arabia. There have been ongoing tacit discussions between Israel and the Gulf States about the potential Israeli strike and how that might affect both their public reactions and their private interests and concerns. There is no doubt that all Sunni Arab states would prefer to prevent Iran from attaining nuclear weapons peacefully. But after failing to do so by diplomatic means, they would support an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, whether the attack is carried out by Israel, the U.S. or through a joint effort. Saudi Arabia in particular sees the conflict between Shiites verses Sunnis in terms of regional domination with a focus on the Gulf, and views Iran with nuclear weapons as a nightmarish scenario that must be prevented at all costs.

Finally, Netanyahu's and Barak's message was intended for the Israeli public not only to prepare them for a potential Iranian counter-attack but to begin psychological and logistical preparations ( including the distributions of gas masks, stocking underground shelters with food and water) to avoid public panic and rally the nation around the government's prospective actions. Although the Netanyahu government is not dismissive of the voices of the Israelis who consider a unilateral attack as ill-conceived and extremely risky, Netanyahu and Barak want to demonstrate unshakable resolve in the face of an existential threat and that the public can ultimately trust their judgment. Moreover, such an exercise, even if a strike is avoided either because of the United States or because of Netanyahu's/Barak's readiness to act, will be good for Israel and good for the entire region as long as Iran never acquires nuclear weapons.

Israel has time and again stated in the past that it will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons or the technology to quickly assemble such arsenals. The Israelis insist that whatever repercussions arise from attacking Iran's nuclear facilities will be far less ominous than allowing Iran to obtain nuclear capabilities, which will have far more reaching geopolitical and security implications that will adversely affect every state in the region.

In the final analysis, an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities may not come as soon as many predict. The strike can and may well happen but it is very unlikely that such an incredibly ominous undertaking will occur without a minimum of U.S. acquiescence, if not outright support and direct involvement. Regardless of how much Netanyahu and Barak may be sure of themselves and Israel's military capabilities, they cannot afford to make any mistakes or miscalculations because Israel's future is on the line.

Yet, exactly because of that, no one should think for a moment that Israel is bluffing. Netanyahu and Barak have concluded that diplomacy has run its course and only extraordinary, crippling and immediate sanctions may still have a slim chance of success. Once Israel determines that Iran has either achieved the point of no return or is about to reach the zone of immunity and the U.S. is not prepared to take military action, Israel will attack Iran singlehandedly and no consequences of such an attack, from the Israeli perspective, will fare against such an existential threat.

 

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08:15 PM on 08/22/2012
As long as there are those in the West that think islamists only want isreael to be wiped off the face of the Earth are tragically mistaken; this is the face of islam or islamic law: regardless of nationality, they just want to rule this world with their law: just watch this video:

توفيق عكاشة يعرض جريمة الإخوان بقتل مواطن بتونس‬‎ - YouTube
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sean beamer
"If society fits you comfortably enough, you call
11:17 AM on 09/06/2012
hmmmm i wonder if this video was made in one of the israeli kibbutz, under the chief rabbi's guidance overseen/financed by the mossad's political propaganda wing !
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07:54 PM on 08/22/2012
The more important issue for Israel and perhaps Americans in general is "How much blood and treasure is the US willing to spend to keep Iran from having a bomb?" Say a bombing raid is done, what then? What is the plan for going forward and at what cost? I read somewhere that once the shooting starts whether in a war or even a battle everything changes. If economic hardship comes to the US how easy is it to put the blame on Israel and her supporters in the US? Before starting something consider all of the possible repercussions and how they can be mitigated. War is like Pandora's Box!
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sean beamer
"If society fits you comfortably enough, you call
11:26 AM on 09/06/2012
My guestimate is that once the war starts, the game plan of many israeli supporters will change , us economy will suffer a huge step backwards, israel will be attacked not only by yet unspecified ME countries but also some logistic aid coming to iran from eu- where there is a growing anti semetic movements quite willing and capable of providing logistics and intelligence to iran. Then there is china, pakistan,egypt and a few 'others' who will also provide assistance- In short I can forsee israel non existant by 2020, with the majority israeli Judes emigrating very quickly to usa or europe as can be found in certain us (covert) agency country profile sites- (should you be able to access them)
05:12 PM on 08/22/2012
Incredibly we have an overload of "expert" opinions, suggestions and contributions...where have all these "experts" on Iran, Islam (with its different and conflicting fractions) been hiding thus far. Why aren't you all in important and influential positions to replace the cancerous elements i.e. the Mullahs of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and other "brothers"? They are the curse, the menace and plague of this world and the world to come, not others who rightfully want to live in peace and prosper. If anyone doubts what these "brothers" plan to the rust of us, just go and see this YouTube video:
توفيق عكاشة يعرض جريمة الإخوان بقتل مواطن بتونس‬‎ - YouTube
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sean beamer
"If society fits you comfortably enough, you call
11:31 AM on 09/06/2012
Hmmm arent you the clever one?...how come you are on HP instead of making millions analysing 'things' for agencies??
If you assumptions were anywhere near factual, i have a very easy solution- remove all Judes from the illegal state of israel and all the problems the west has are resolved..instantly !
As far as your you tube crap goes...its a propaganda reconstruction...just as fabricated as you did with the 'infallible' evidence you produced in the bushy era of WMD's in iraq...i dont even need to go to the site..i already about know about it !
09:04 PM on 09/06/2012
Sadly for you, you were born without a brain! No other comment necessary...
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Readbetweentheelevens
You can't turn the wind so turn the sail.
01:48 PM on 08/22/2012
All you have to do is get through Iran to control China (for the moment). It's all just what it seems -- hot air. Israel won't attack Iran. Obama won't attack Iran. Romney won't attack Iran.
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Charles the Great
Canadian/Israeli Goy in Alert,Nunavut
07:08 PM on 08/22/2012
and Israel arms China so how can Iran control China?
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Readbetweentheelevens
You can't turn the wind so turn the sail.
12:58 AM on 08/23/2012
China buys 25 percent of Iran's oil export (notwithstanding US sanctions).  Iran doesn't control China.  China controls 25 percent of Iran's oil export (for now).  The sanctions have even helped China get a better price.  China will not voluntarily end its relationship with Iran.  You control Iran you control one source of China's oil -- an important source not beholden to the U.S. 
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MelissaGoldman
One moment in time--RIP Whitney
01:39 PM on 08/22/2012
Moral of the story--Don't threaten Israel.
Or take the consequences if you do.
If iran is attacked, it will have brought this war entirely upon itself.
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11:34 PM on 08/23/2012
Morale of the piece is that if the Israeli government is so belligerent as to unilaterally start an unprovoked war against a UN member state then it will be responsible for the killing of its own citizens in its towns and cities from the inevitable retaliatory strikes from the Iranian defense forces. Those deaths could be in the hundreds or thousands and Israel would then be obliged to use its undeclared nuclear weapons arsenal, the radiation from which would affect not only itself but all the GCC states including the UAE.
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"If society fits you comfortably enough, you call
11:33 AM on 09/06/2012
keep on dreaming dual citizen !!
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11:58 AM on 08/22/2012
Te biggest, baddest military machine the world has ever known went off to seek vengeance for a handful of fundamentalists with box cutters inflicting the most deadly attack on their soil in history. How'd that work out for you? Repeating the same thing over and over while expecting different results...
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MelissaGoldman
One moment in time--RIP Whitney
01:26 PM on 08/22/2012
Seeing as how we have not had another terrorist attack here since 911, I'd say it worked out pretty well, actually.
As for iran, well, here in the US, we have a saying that goes something to the effect of, "the best cure is prevention...."
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Boduognat
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate.
07:08 AM on 08/23/2012
"we have not had another terrorist attack here since 911"

You mean that attacks such as the shooting in the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin and the (second) arson at an Islamic center in Missouri last week and countless of other examples, well like these are not "terrorist attacks"?

Islamic Center Murfreesboro TN 08-28-2010
Dar-El-Eman Islamic Center Arlington TX 07-23-2010
Islamic Center Marietta GA 07-05-2010
Islamic Center Jacksonville FL 05-11-2010
Islamic Center Educational Mosque Tampa FL 04-13-2007
Islamic Society of Schuylkill Mosque MechanicsvillePA 04-11-2007
National Islamic Association Mosque Newark NJ 01-24-2007
Petersburg Islamic Center Meadow View VA 02-04-2006
2800 Granby Street Mosque Falls Church VA 01-28-2006
Islamic Center of Bloomington Bloomington IN 07-09-2005
Adelanto Mosque Adelanto CA 06-03-2005
Islamic Center of Savannah Savannah GA 10-07-2003

Could you perhaps share a definition of "terrorist attacks" or are you implying that "terrorist attacks" must be committed by Muslims before they can be labelled as "terrorist attacks"...

so that you can blame Muslims for being behind "all" terrorist attacks"? :))))))))
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11:39 AM on 09/06/2012
really?? ...the us has not had another terrorist attack?? you must live in coo coo land !!or the rest of the usa must ...and i know where my money is !(and if the usa has not had any attacks...it must be the israeli teams pretending to be terrorist to keep the american antenna on full alert) Iran wasnt in the first attack..this is a Judish ploy to 'use' the west to rid of israeli enemies as it has not got the balls or the capability to do its own dirty work..its useing usa to fight its wars..yellow it was ..yellow it remains !
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Vlady
Better Late
03:47 PM on 08/22/2012
You would talk differently if it were Turkey to be wiped out of the map.
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Djay0252
America needs to Bless God
11:50 AM on 08/22/2012
President Peres, have expressed pointed objections to taking any unilateral military strikes against Iran, insisting that if such action became necessary, it must certainly be led by the U.S. to shield Israel from being singled out and blamed for the potentially disastrous regional consequences. Don't hold your breath Israel....as long as Obama is president there will be US intervention in Iran.....Israel has bought off Romney and are pulling his strings but he will not get the chance to start another Bush war!!!
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Vlady
Better Late
03:49 PM on 08/22/2012
It's Israel not the US is threatened to be wiped out.
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Djay0252
America needs to Bless God
09:13 PM on 08/22/2012
so what....we had the same thing done to us by the USSR and we lived through it without attacking Russia. Israel has nukes and Iran knows this...it's all talk...get over it!
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Eric Nepgen
Restiamo Umani
03:44 AM on 08/23/2012
Don't you get tired of always using that mistranslated quote ?
09:48 AM on 08/22/2012
As Ben Gurion and Dayan stated and the actions of subsequent Israeli governments have confirmed, IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT SECURITY at all......................

1952 Moshe Dayan, Israeli defense minister, declared:
"Our task consists of preparing the Israeli army for the new war approaching in order to achieve our ULTIMATE GOAL, the creation of an ISRAELI EMPIRE."

David Ben Gurion 1937
The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to GREATER ZIONIST IMPLEMENTATION."
10:13 AM on 08/22/2012
You do know the litany of quotes that can be posted by Ahmnainejad and Khomeini, Palestinian leaders, other Arabs, Egyptian officials, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and more, that openly state that their wish is not just the destruction of Israel but the entire Jewish people right?
10:28 AM on 08/22/2012
Those are the rantings of individuals. Ahmnainejad has no power, he's a messenger boy. Many of the others can do nothing about their opinions.

ISRAEL has the LARGEST MILITARY in the Middle East and the ONLY NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
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Richard Pearce
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10:45 AM on 08/22/2012
Of course, a little digging will show those 'quotes' to be of the same quality (and origin) as the 'quote' about 'driving Jews into the sea' and all the other genocidal 'quotes' of the Arab leadership at the time the Arabs realized that for all their claims about championing human rights, the 'civilised' world was going to at best do nothing, and at worst actively support, the ethnic cleansing of non-Jews from central Palestine, and tried to take the appropiate action themselves. What was the quality of those quotes? "Egregious, and likely deliberate mistranslations" (the polite, British way of admitting they were pure examples of the art of propaganda) as the gentleman who'd persistently tried to claim Mayhew's $10,000 prize put it after hearing what the 'quote' he'd chosen as the most credible actually had been before being twisted out of shape to hide the real crime that was happening.
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
11:00 AM on 08/22/2012
Site your source for those quotes, please.
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Tel Aviv dude
01:09 PM on 08/22/2012
He can't, their made up.
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niumarmion
a temporary being
09:37 AM on 08/22/2012
The real plan is to create an "incident," like early in this millenium, which will cause the bigger brother to react in a way that the smaller brother desires.
10:29 AM on 08/22/2012
They had better fail.
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11:07 AM on 08/22/2012
For someone who posts forged and faked quoted without checking why would anyone care about what you think?
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09:22 AM on 08/22/2012
A huge mistep. Iran is the only worthy country in the region with a history of proven success and dominance. The West should encourage a secular Turkey and Persia to counterbalance the fundie Arab states + Pakistan.
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12:41 PM on 08/22/2012
Except a secular Persia does not currently exist, and Turkey seems to be heading in the opposite direction of secular.
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09:02 AM on 08/22/2012
There are several issues in this article;

Israel does not need the US to provide a security umbrella - it has around 100 nukes of its own. If it has the capability to attack Iran at a distance of some 1000 miles with missile or air strikes it plainly has the capacity to protect itself. Israel in not anti-nuke, it's policy is that Israel will be the only nuclear-armed country in the middle east, as this allows it to dominate the region.

By challenging Obama to take more decisive action ("if you don't do it, Israel will") The tail is wagging the dog, Israel seeks to determine US foreign policy either by "moral" blackmail or if that fails, by attacking Iran and forcing the US into a position where it would probably have no political option but to support the Israeli action.

An Israeli or US strike against Iran would unite the population of Arab countries and conditions in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan would become far more problematic for the US. It could well also alienate populations in some allied countries such as Turkey, Egypt and Libya.

A nuclear-armed Iran is a major problem but an Israeli strike on Iran (and we can only we hope they do not use nuclear weapons in the strike) is a much bigger one.
12:22 PM on 08/22/2012
Good points. Additionally, the nuclear facilities cannot be taken out by airstrikes or even bunker-busting bombs. Ground troops would clearly be needed. And Israel could not take on that task alone; that would require U.S. ground troops. Netanyahu is well aware of this. Invading Iraq should provide a lesson that such wars are unwinnable. Iran has more than twice the population and a huge military, plus far more advanced weapons systems and air defense systems. Invading Iran would mean a very long and protracted war. The U.S. lacks the resources. Broader U.S., Western and even Israeli interests in the Middle East would be irreparable harmed. And such a war cannot be won anyway. So while what the Netanyahu administration says about the Iran nuclear threat is true, waging an unwinnable war is no solution; rather, it exacerbates the problem. The bigger question is what is hoped to be achieved by attacking Iran? And the answer is: nothing the administration says it hopes to achieve. If the U.S. or Israel attacked, an Iranian populace which is not thrilled with its government would undoubtedly rally around the flag, causing decades of setbacks to any movement that would seek to force out the current regime. There are multiple strategic and practical reasons why Israeli military and intelligence leaders have roundly criticized the Iran-attack-hawking as misguided. Ignoring the experts favors politics over security and reason.
12:46 PM on 08/22/2012
So, you're suggesting appeasement as an solution and you're presuming a nuclear Iran is Israel's problem alone. You're wrong on both counts.
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joebhed
Greenback Revolutionist
08:53 AM on 08/22/2012
There's NO evidence that Iran has any nuclear weapons program.
There is plenty of evidence that Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons.

The reason the sanctions are not working is because the sanctions are NOT against any nuclear weapons program. That's another fiction.
The sanctions are against Iran's refusal to give up its uranium-enrichment program - a nuclear energy program that is allowed by Iran's participation in the Non-Proliferation treaty, and an action that is under full IAEA Safeguards inspections. Every NPT-signatory has that, supposedly INALIENABLE, right of enrichment.

The whole alleged Iran nuclear weapons program warmongering charade is no less than pitiful self-serving, nationalistic propaganda.
Thanks to Alon for wasting the ink.
We get the message.
Israel is not kidding.
Pity.
09:32 AM on 08/22/2012
Because North Korean nuclear scientists just LOVE vacationing in Iran. Because Iranian scientists thought, "Wow, let's hit up that North Korean missile launch that has the capability of carrying a nuclear warhead." Because the UN goes into Iran and says, "Cool! So you have enriched uranium more than you disclosed, oh, also, where is that site that was up here on satellite imagery but is now gone? Guess we must have been mistaken." It is obvious that Iran has NO intent of a nuclear weapons program right? I mean, how could they? Between their vacationing in North Korea and hosting North Korean scientists while vanishing nuclear sites and working around the clock to enrich uranium, they would NEVER have the capability of implementing a nuclear weapons program and give a briefcase nuke to one of their funded terrorist groups right?

LINKS:
North Koreans in Iran: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/11/14/2011111400526.html

Iranians in North Korea: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9206287/Iranian-officials-observed-North-Korean-rocket-launch.html

UN officials about uranium: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/world/middleeast/un-finds-uranium-in-iran-enriched-to-higher-level.html

UN officials about sites missing: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-un-agency-to-meet-on-access-to-site-where-tehran-allegedly-carried-out-secret-nuke-work/2012/08/21/237cf60c-ebd4-11e1-866f-60a00f604425_story.html
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Tel Aviv dude
01:21 PM on 08/22/2012
Red herrings, Strawman's and Opinions..

There is plenty and plenty of evidence that Iran is in violation of illegal military research and WMD research. Its also evident by its behavior and the construction of Fordo, that military enrichment is in order. How is their "evidence" of Israel's nuclear program when its status is ambiguity?

Sanctions are hitting the economy hard but they were placed way too late to make such damage. The West, IAEA, and dozens of intelligence agencies know that this "nuclear energy program" is a shame and your just behind in the memo. Iran received equipment and technology to construct a nuclear program for energy/medical purposes. They violated the treaty years ago by conducting in military research which is an violation of the treaty. Once you violate the treaty, you have no rights to enrich until you expose your full program to inspectors. When the UNSC ordered 6 Resolutions for Iran to halt activities, they didn't.

It brings me pleasure to know that intellectuals that share your opinion have no control over the Iranian situation, and thank god for that.
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joebhed
Greenback Revolutionist
07:49 AM on 08/23/2012
Almost prescient title to your comment.

"Coming right atcha! Red Herrings! Strawmans! And Opinions!""

?? Illegal Military and WMD research ??
From the same people that gave us WMDs in Iraq?
PUHLEEZ.
First, what are they? Claims? or Proof?
Either way, obviously NOT violations of the NPT.

Official ambiguity is a tacit admission to anyone who really cares.
Regardless, Israel having nukes is as stupid and meaningless as Iran having nukes.

You say everyone KNOWS.
We have the IAEA to monitor activities and administer Safeguards.
Which they are doing in Iran.
Why don't those in the KNOW show the evidence to the IAEA, so we can be done with it? Not very good with propaganda, are you?

Actually I read all the memos - which one did I miss?
Please explain EXACTLY when and how Iran violated the NPT years ago, beyond reporting requirements for materials, which reporting omissions were completely the result of OUR sanctions after the Revolution.
There was no charge of violation of the NPT.
And MANY countries are in violation of the NPT on a regular basis - more so than Iran did after the sanctions.
And they are all still welcome in the NPT.

YOUR posture - that for ANY violation would end cooperation - would endanger the planet.
Thank you very much.
08:45 AM on 08/22/2012
I would rather see Israel and people on that side of the world involved in this breaking the dependence of their leaders on having to do whatever the US government wants them to do.
Let them develope their own strategies and relationships.
Doesn't mean that the US can't publicly announce that whatever decision is taken they will have their backs, but this manipulation of the geopolitical situation in the ME stopping people from doing what they know is best for them has got to stop.
And, for the anti-Obamists, a quick reminder, Bush was exactly the same way regarding avoiding Iran.
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Davewaybe
Life gives us time only love gives us meaning
08:27 AM on 08/22/2012
For a peaceful State....

Israel seems to be threatening an awful lot of other countries. Given that their prime minister is so hell bent on starting a war, one which, is farcical in that we are somehow justifying a non IEA partner against one that is a member of the group.

Additionally there is the sovereign right of Iran to have a nuclear plant or plants.... that is its right and the West should bow out.

Being a non believer, but an avid reader, of the Bible, and its predictions, the Israelis seem hell bent on making Armageddon come true!
09:39 AM on 08/22/2012
Maybe you might want to take to heart the messages of the Ayatollah and Ahmaninejad just 2 days ago if you want to talk about threats and carrying them out (because Hezbollah, Hamas, IJ, and other fun terror organizations, including the entire Syrian regime, aren't funded, supplied, and dictated by Iran or anything):

Links:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/

Revolutionary Guard in Syria:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/iranian-revolutionary-guard-generals-among-hostages-seized-by-syrian-rebels/story-fnb64oi6-1226449902821

Yup, Iran, that wonderfully peaceful state...it's just, so, so, so smart that those who threaten the existence of a group of people worldwide and then decimate entire populations be allowed to build nuclear plants and have the capability to build nuclear weapons.
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Davewaybe
Life gives us time only love gives us meaning
01:49 PM on 08/22/2012
The point is....... what has this to do with the US? Its a sovereign country....
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johnria
Flying over the cuckoo's nest
07:26 PM on 08/22/2012
Where does Iran get all the cash to finance and arm these "terrorist" organizations? With all the sanctions in place it is near impossible. Iran does not make any guns themselves so they have to be bougth. Let's see the money. All these links are just that. Articles copied from right wing sources. Nothing new there. If you want to hit a dog you can always find a stick. Cute, the statement about decimating entire populations. Where did that come from?
09:41 AM on 08/22/2012
Oh, sorry, sorry, that article with the Iran quotes was in February. How silly of me. This is the one from the other day:

http://news.yahoo.com/tumour-israel-soon-destroyed-ahmadinejad-091548418.html
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Davewaybe
Life gives us time only love gives us meaning
09:57 AM on 08/22/2012
Good point....... but (and there is always a but!)

If he really had a thing against Israelis, then why on earth does he not start with the thousands that are living and working in Iran...... in fact, more than ANY Arab country.

He means the government.... not the people!

Try this and see what you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=QorJMPtz1Fw&NR=1

One of the reasons I love the Israeli's too.....
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karim banned
A fool's mind is at the mercy of his tongue and a
02:40 AM on 08/22/2012
"Facts behind Iran-Israel conflict"

"We are on the brink of war only because facts and the rule of law need only apply when convenient."

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/letters/article/1244668--facts-behind-iran-israel-conflict
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11:42 AM on 08/22/2012
yes, one can always depend upon a link that clearly states "opinion" in its title. lol.