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What Comes Next in Libya -- With or Without Gadhafi

Posted: 02/22/11 09:03 AM ET

There are not enough pejoratives to describe the many sadistic sides of Moammar Gadhafi (however you may choose to spell his name). He is a ruthless, unstable revolutionary dictator who has imported mercenaries from Chad, Sudan, and other Sub-Saharan dictator-led countries to massacre his own people as protests erupt across his subjugated nation.

In the panoply of 21st century ruthless leaders, he surely ranks in the top 5 of the devil's allies on earth.

In power for 42 years, to retain absolutist control, Gadhafi has massacred, killed, kidnapped, tortured and exiled anyone who dared to challenge his authority and the so-called Islamic socialist state that is Libya.

He and his seven biological sons have run Libya like a mob operation -- government institutions are virtually non-existent. Theoretically, power lies in the hands of so-called Jumariyah (or people's mass meetings). But all that mattered was Gadhafi's whim and edict.

To think he came so close to having a nuclear weapon before he was seized by a rare moment of temporary sanity and reverted the nuclear stockpile to safer hands to buy a fleeting degree of international respectability.

Well, he did manage for a while to turn himself into a caricature of a cartoon cum statesman -- until Tunisia erupted.

When I visited Libya a few years ago and met in a desert tent with his intelligence chief I was given a copy of Gadhafi's Green Book. Don't bother reading it... it is jibberish -- good for nothing except to decipher what passes as the dictates of a dictator.

For two days and then some, I was cross-examined about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and Washington's potential reaction should Libya seek better ties with the U.S. It was hard to tell where all of the talk would eventually lead, but at least Gadhafi had an intelligence chief who could complete a logical thought and seemed to believe a saner Libya was possible. Alas, not to be.

I wonder where Mr. Souissi is tonight?

Unlike Tunisia or Egypt, Gadhafi will use as much brute force as he can import to quell the uprising... because there is no brake on his power other than the ability of the Libyan people to fight tooth and nail with their own wits and blood against him. This is truly a civil war, with the force of the empire aligned against the good people of Libya, a country afloat in incredible oil wealth, yet impoverished and as backward as any can imagine. Under Gadhafi Libya is a nation without a future. And you can be sure Gadhafi will fight to the last bullet. This is not someone inclined to flee the bunker.

Let's suppose for a moment that Gadhafi loses, and the Libyan revolution against his rule achieves its goal.

What then next for Libya?

One must understand that Libya is a colonial construct; stitched together by the allegiance of tribes, albeit for money and convenience.

In the short run, the eastern province, with the principal city of Benghazi, has traditionally been a hot bed of anti-Gadhafi activity and reports suggest it has fallen into the hands of his adversaries. Indeed, it is possible that Benghazi would declare itself an independent Islamic emirate. Too early to tell.

The key to Gadhafi's longevity is the city of Tripoli... Libya's capital to the west near the Tunisian border. A city controlled by Gadhafi's own tribe and by the paid allegiance of his police and mercenaries.

Tonight, Gadhafi lost the crucial support of two tribes vital to his rule -- the Awlad Soweija which has Islamist extremist elements in it and is based in around Benghazi, as well as the Awlad Waffala, which is the largest tribe south of Tripoli. The loss of the latter is a devastating blow to what passes as his regime.

In the event that Tripoli falls out of Gadhafi's control, Libya may descend in the short run into chaos and anarchy, since there is no one to take over unless a council of exiled democrats can come together, perhaps under the chapeau of the pretenders to deposed King Idriss. That may be Libya's best hope to prevent Libyans from having to die further once Gadhafi and his brood are banished. Memo to popular Libyans in exile: you will have to move quickly to catch the tail of this tiger before it becomes too late to do so.

What is clear is that there is a strong Islamist opposition that has targeted Gadhafi in the past. Ironically, the dictator who introduced conservative Shariah values is himself the target of their ire.

In this power vacuum, waiting in the wings are the remnants of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) -- now merged with Al Qaeda in the Maghreb (AQIM). LIFG is not the Taliban. It does not have the depth and breadth of support among the key tribes. But in the wake of the lawlessness that would inevitably take hold should Gadhafi fall, Libya could easily disintegrate into tribal redoubts and Somali-type Islamist insurgency where tribalism and Al Qaeda sympathizers battle it out. Think of Afghanistan in North Africa if a simplistic analogy is called for.

For the U.S., other than targeting AQIM and what emerges as the LIFG, there is little we can do to stop the bloodshed, but to stare at the gas pump as its price rises from the spectacle of oil-rich Libya imploding. No sanction or presidential condemnation from the Obama Administration will stop Gadhafi from butchering his own people. It would be more prudent for the White House to begin preparing two parallel policy tracks... for a wounded Libya with or without the man with the green book.

 
 
 
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02:32 AM on 02/28/2011
The general belief by people around the world is that Arab governments are unfit for democracy. This is a bigoted idea as it has been made crystal clear from the recent uprisings in the Arab world. The new generation in the Middle East is more interested in democratic governments as opposed to the traditional monarchies and tyrannical governments that prevailed and in some cases still prevail.
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09:30 PM on 02/27/2011
Libya's "nuclear program" was nothing more than a gleam in the Colonel's eye. A thousand years hence and it still would've amounted to nothing.

The Ambassador, like so many, seem the just assume no good outcome is possible - which is just crazy in a situation where a small population (6 million) actually owns so much oil wealth. All they need is our geniune assistance to help them to secure a very bright future - THEIR future.
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mycall8
Spiritual not religious, One Planet, One Humanity
06:14 PM on 02/27/2011
So far it looks like "The Libyan Government" owns all the oil. That is an amazing resource....1.6 million barrels a day. As far as it seems this is not a radical Islam even, it is a people or the tribes as it is described rising up and saying "we are mad as hell and we aren't going to take this any more" Forging a new government is up to the people that have initiated this revolution...They must form their own Constitution. Hopefully the extreme wealth that already exists in Libya can be more evenly distributed now .
05:47 PM on 02/27/2011
..well, they got to sell the oil and we got the bucks- seems like a simple formula too me.
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03:19 PM on 02/27/2011
Ah, yes. We can always expect the former Ambassador to warn us about rise of Islamist governments. Make no mistake-radical Islam is real, but it is, in part, due to our own craven dealings in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Why in the world did Bush fully recognize Ghadafi? Here we are thinking that Ghadafi is "fully rehabilitated", and now we see his true colors. Was there no intelligence concerning the dissatisfaction of the seething masses below these various dictators? No, there wasn't. From which I conclude, that we have our own ignorance and narrow self-interests to fear as much as the rise of "Islamism".
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Decipherer
Objects may be closer than they appear
05:53 PM on 02/27/2011
I suspect the intelligence was there all along to give policy people some sense that all was not well in these countries, beginning with Tunisia and moving with lightning speed across North Africa and the Middle East.

The question I have is why much of this information was ignored or downplayed, and did it ever get sent up the ladder to the White House and senior people at the State Department?
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01:55 AM on 02/28/2011
Good question. There must have been some sense of impending revolution, but intel like that was just not a priority. The US, in pursuit of what is politely called "national interest", has gotten away with all sorts of hypocrisy and double-dealing, so it's not like having some sort of Plan B was considered to be all that important. I just find so much of the commentary to be so misleading, as if American leaders, business and political, have been so many uninvolved by-standers, rendering judgement from afar.
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fairwayhill
1948 Palestine belongs to the Palestinians
03:08 PM on 02/27/2011
Luckily Jordan Yemen Algeria and Saudi Arabia are next to overthrow their US supported ruthless dictatorships.
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Decipherer
Objects may be closer than they appear
05:57 PM on 02/27/2011
Careful with your sweeping and erroneous predictions.
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tallen
panem et circenses
02:44 PM on 02/27/2011
I am hoping that this sudden sweep of revolution in the middle east will lead to true free democracies however, the chances of that outcome are considerably less than the hopes people outside the region have.
To date, not one such uprising in the middle east has resulted in free democracy. Historically, such uprisings have, more often than not, failed to implement what we in the west consider liberal democracy.
In the region in question the most organized and powerful are the various Islamist factions. They have been waiting for decades for an opportunity to take power in many of these nations. If they do, the world is looking at decades of problems and even more instability.
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03:20 PM on 02/27/2011
..therefore, the only solution is to wipe out these "various Islamist factions", the sooner, the better.....
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dlkillinois
I will won't do that.
07:43 PM on 02/27/2011
One of the pre-conditions to make Democracy viable is for a certain degree of affluence to be present within the location where it is to be established. And people need to want it for it to work.

2 strikes...
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AndyGra
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02:39 PM on 02/27/2011
I remember a line from the Marine Corps Hymn, "....to the shores of Tripoli..."
Maybe it is time now. Don't think too long, before the opportunity to make a positive impact wanes. Just to be present in the background would be profound for a stable liberation.
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Decipherer
Objects may be closer than they appear
05:56 PM on 02/27/2011
Or a major source of irritation and focus of anger towards us for propping up these regimes. There is huge downside to such a move as you propose, whether we are able to pay for it or not.
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AndyGra
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10:03 PM on 02/27/2011
Well, I thought about what I knew and what I didn't know, but posted anyway. The thought was that the USMC would debark and simply be a presence. Threatening, yes, but that is what the military does. Most likely that concept is too simplistic. For every action, there is an overblown reaction. No, the USA cannot function as the World's Cop 0n The Beat. Absent all other Democracies, participating.
But, then, Tunisia has been a catalyst. Events are happening that were inconceivable a year ago! When citizen/subjects of an oligarchy/autocracy are willing to put their lives on the line for Freedom, which the USA instinctively represents, I believe that we should do more than bloviate platitudes. WE should be the presence in Lybia, if you want a friendly oil-rich nation on "our" side.
Nation-building in Afghanistan has not worked out felicitiously. I believe that Lybia is more "workable". They have Infrastructure, of a sort. Once the People have control of the oil resources and distribute the fundamental profits back to the population, production will increase, oil prices will stabilize, and peace will envelope the globe!
Yeah, right!
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dlkillinois
I will won't do that.
07:46 PM on 02/27/2011
I remember a line from my Dad, a former Marine, that he told me about two weeks ago. "I'm so thankful that you never joined the Marines..."

Let them figure out their problems for themselves. I'm all for having a positive impact, but nowhere in that realm will I ever endorse invading foreign soil as accomplishing such a thing. Name me one instance where foreign occupation of a Muslim country ends up going well.
12:18 PM on 02/27/2011
I fail to see a major difference between Libya and Morocco
Or Israel for that matter
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GODLAKE
O well, whatever, nevermind...
11:54 AM on 02/27/2011
The tribes are the curse of the Arabs. If for any reason Arabs are backward it is because of this system. Prophet Muhammad tried to abolish that system but soon rose to power 50 years after his death demonstrated through the Ummayads. Except maybe for Syria which is plagued by sectarian differences and if you start hearing about new revolts in any other Arab country; it will all be about tribes in that country.
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
08:09 AM on 02/23/2011
Ah yes, the devil we know versus the one we don't. The US needs to stay out of it, and support human rights above all else.
11:33 PM on 02/22/2011
Time for smaller cars, again!
07:22 PM on 02/22/2011
It's interesting to read this right after the Benjamin Barber piece. Day and night.
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AcademicFreedom
Often banned; always factual
07:13 PM on 02/22/2011
One thing that we do know is that the US won't do anything to stop whatever MG does.
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verflixed
It will come to pass
06:04 PM on 02/22/2011
Ghee Whiz did we not get into Iraq for the oil, why would we not do the same in Libya? Good time would be right now. Oh, lets see we can not afford it? Afghanistan yes (but they have no oil), for the pipelines I guess. We are starting to hang by our own tail.
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dlkillinois
I will won't do that.
07:48 PM on 02/27/2011
I don't know if our leadership is as brazen as it was the last time we did this, though...

Granted, greed reigns, so I won't be surprised if a blatant oil grab ensues. God knows I'm tired of 3.55/gallon! A little bloodshed to bring that down to a modest 3.30-something... sure why not what the hell...