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Amb. Marc Ginsberg

Amb. Marc Ginsberg

Posted: May 8, 2010 11:02 AM

Last Plane to Lahore

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The time is long overdue to get tough with young adults who believe that a visit to grandma in Pakistan should include a few months at a Taliban or Al Qaeda training camp.

I have an idea: if you're either a native born American or a naturalized American citizen of Pakistani descent and you won't voluntarily limit your visit to Pakistan to no more than two weeks, you automatically get onto the TSA watch list. If you don't return in two weeks you are automatically placed on the "No Fly List." Unless you can satisfactorily prove to the TSA you have a damn good reason to be spending more time in Pakistan beyond two weeks and deserve to be exempted from the exclusion, tough luck, buddy, you ain't getting onto a U.S. bound flight.

Anyone who thinks this is racial profiling is grasping at a very thin straw.

An examination of recent successful and aborted terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and the United States have one thing in common: unexplained repeated entries and exits from Pakistan by second generation naturalized citizens prior to the actual perpetration of an attack.

Just take a look at Times Square bomber wannabe Faisal Shahzad. He was either self-radicalized or radicalized not by Al Qaeda per se but likely by the Pakistani Taliban terrorist organization - an expansion of the terror threat against the homeland. His travel DNA is revealing. Before the aborted attack last week, he returned from Pakistan on February 3 having spent FIVE MONTHS there. Moreover, Shahzad may/may have had something to do with a Pakistani militant involved in the Mumbai terrorist attacks two years ago.

Pakistan is a veritable terrorism supermarket and has become ground zero of Salafist terrorism and its supporters -- no thanks to an indifferent Pakistani government that has consistently turned a blind eye to to the threats its own intelligence agency -- the ISI help incubate more often than not.

Fortunately, the civilian Pakistani leadership has awakened to the threat, but it is weak and fraught with turmoil and unable to adequately control the ISI or the Pakistani military.

There are thousands of law abiding Pakistani immigrants living peacefully in the U.S. No one immigrant group has the organizational capacity to know whether any of their progeny may be up to no good. That is why it's time to compel anyone traveling to Pakistan to answer to federal authorities given the altered terrorist terrain there. Had Shahzad been forced to comply with this requirement... he either would have stayed here or never made it back here.

Better safer than sorrier.

 
 
 
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08:21 AM on 05/11/2010
Mr. Ambassador: Pakistan, by the way, is a beautiful country with beautiful people. It has some of the most splendid Moghul and ancient monuments in the Asia. It has breath-taking natural beauty ranging from towering mountain scenery to lush, flat paddy fields stretching for miles.

I think you would be impressed if you took a trip there, if you haven't been there already.
And meeting a people is always the best way to break down barriers...
12:55 AM on 05/13/2010
yeah and shahzad met americans and which barriers did he break down?
07:06 PM on 05/15/2010
The vast majority of Pakistanis in the US are proud citizens who are active participants in society. It is a duty we take seriously. You have no idea how Pakistani Americans have felt disappointed by the act of one sick individual. Remember that Pakistanis have sacrificed more than anyone to defeat terrorists and extremists. Any cursory view of the news will tell you how many brave Pakistani soldiers, policemen and civilians have given the ultimate sacrifice. Please do not belittle the efforts of brave Pakistanis who contribute daily in the global battle against terrorists. Pakistani Americans are indeed breaking down barriers to highlight the efforts of our ancestral land to fellow Americans and to ensure that people in Pakistan understand genuine American concerns. Americans already realize that Pakistan played a key role in defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan. In essence Pakistan made the biggest sacrifice in ending Soviet occupation there, hastening the demise of Communism and ending the Cold War. Pakistan made the world a safer place and reduced the risk of nuclear armageddon. In the process, Afghani, Arab, Chechen and foreign fighters made refuge in Pakistan and challenged the state's writ. Pakistan was destabilized and sadly abandoned by the US. Despite that, the vast majority of Pakistanis stand by the US in the common fight against extremists. I see the current War on Terror as being in the common interests of Pakistan and the United States. Pointing fingers without appreciating the overall picture will not help co operation.
08:08 AM on 05/11/2010
The idea of singling out Pakistani-Americans as a terrorist-producing minority is a shocking example of bigotry. It also is inaccurate.

As far as I can recall, there have been NO incidents by Pakistani-Americans killing ANYONE in a terror attack in America in recent momory. This latest incident of intent to kill is serious, but no one was harmed, thank goodness.

And Pakistan is such a crucial ally in the fight against Al Qaeda/Taliban. It's no field day on the Pakk-Afghan border. It's grim. And about 5,000 innocent Pakistanis have been killed in terror attacks in 2 years.

I don't think we need to alienate Pakistan by this kind of an ill-advised proprosal.
08:26 AM on 05/13/2010
You guys keep saying the same thing over and over no matter what is the reality.All the bad stuff your countrymen are doing won't just go away because you deny it.
Stand up to your military dictators
01:57 AM on 05/11/2010
Its been long overdue huh? LOL

In the entire history of the United States, exactly how many terrorist attacks have been committed against us by people from Pakistan?
To my knowledge he is the only one for at least the last decade, and this guy wasn't even successful, he didn't kill anyone. So you seem to be jumping the gun condemning a country with the population of 116 million people
05:53 AM on 05/11/2010
Totally agree with you.
Its actually a country of 180 million people according to the latest figures.
And you are right , it seems the article is condemning all pakistani's. Whether they are pakistany american or just pakistany's. Very racial.
02:29 PM on 05/10/2010
This article is honestly so ignorant and I had no idea it was coming from a former US ambassador! Even worse...honestly, Pakistan is a beautiful country. Behind the veil and the media frenzy surrounding it, it's one of my favorite places in the world. I can tell you that the problem of militancy only exists in the small western border regions with Afghanistan. Here's a better idea: Pakistan should completely seal off the Tribal Belt and increase its counter-terrorism capabilities. With a seal Tribal Belt, Americans will not be able to access it and receive militant training. And apart from just laying siege to the area, they should increase military operations there against militants. It is racial profiling to put Pakistani Americans who stay for a mere two-weeks on a no-fly list. It's very outrageous, ridiculous, and insulting to me as an American. I hope our country never stoops down to the level proposed by this ignorant former ambassador.
02:20 PM on 05/10/2010
This is honestly the strangest and most insulting article in the world. I'm a natural-born American of Pakistani-descent, and I can tell you that a two-week visit to Pakistan is not enough time to purchase wedding supplies from designer companies, visit your ailing grandparents whom you hardly ever get to see (I last saw mine in 2006 and one passed away in 2009), visit your other family members, visit historic places or anything like that! This is ridiculous...I can tell you, I'm only 18 years old, and even a one-month visit was not enough for me. The person who wrote this article should grow a brain before he tries to generalize an entire nation of 180 million people and assume every area from the Lahore Fort in Lahore to the K2 Mountains of Gilgit-Baltistan to the beaches of the Makran Coast and the dry mountains of Waziristan all have terrorist training camps. Grow up: it's only a tiny fraction of the entire country near Afghanistan that has the problem.
08:29 AM on 05/13/2010
Beggars can't be choosers.
01:49 PM on 05/09/2010
He's just another faux Democrat and furthermore, the first Jewish-American to hold a diplomatic post in the Middle East.

And he justifies racial profiling at the expense of American values as espoused in the U.S. Constitution and Common Law.

Way to go Obama Administration. More Faux Change We Can't Believe In.
10:20 PM on 05/09/2010
morocco is in africa not middle east
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11:13 AM on 05/10/2010
Think a little harder, "thinkingguy":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East#Greater_Middle_East
02:01 AM on 05/11/2010
"first Jewish-American to hold a diplomatic post in the Middle East."

I find that hard to believe.
Surely we have had Jewish diplomats to Israel
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09:53 AM on 05/09/2010
Of course, understanding why a naturalized citizen might object to his new "homeland" conducting a massive assassination program with a huge number of collateral damage civilian deaths in his native country would be too basic.
12:51 PM on 05/09/2010
That's exactly what ambassador has done and come to this conclusion as explained in this article in detail
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01:55 PM on 05/09/2010
That's exactly what he didn't consider. Please post anything in the article which questions the US policy of drone attacks, resulting in the deaths of innocent civilians.
09:51 AM on 05/09/2010
"Anyone who thinks this is racial profiling is grasping at a very thin straw."
No, anyone who thinks this is racial profiling is 100% correct. Note that the proposal is limited to those "of Pakistani descent."

"An examination of recent successful and aborted terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and the United States have one thing in common: unexplained repeated entries and exits from Pakistan"
Except, of course, for the ones that don't have that in common, such as the attempted Christmas Day bombing. Further,how does this assertion, which immediately follows his denial that this would be racial profiling, prove that it is not racial profiling? Rather than showing that this is not racial profiling, Ginsberg is trying to justify racial profiling. Too bad he has to make facially false claims to do so.
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02:12 AM on 05/09/2010
"An examination of recent successful and aborted terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and the United States have one thing in common: unexplained repeated entries and exits from Pakistan by second generation naturalized citizens prior to the actual perpetration of an attack. "

What ratio of innocent travelers to terrorist attackers was disclosed by your "examination" ? Link to data?
12:45 PM on 05/09/2010
Why? Do you have other countries' data ready for comparison?
Did you ask for data when they said earth is round?
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02:08 PM on 05/09/2010
To reach a generalization based on a few data points merely confirms existing prejudices.
What does the sphericity of Earth have to do with faulty reasoning (Ginsberg's and yours)?
12:38 AM on 05/09/2010
Hear, hear. These people have this rabid unhinged hatred that used to directed solely at the peaceful Indians but now its going global. After the mumbai attacks, an Ultimatum should have been made that the ISI cut off its links or be branded a terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed. Enough of humoring these people and their delusional illusions of grandeur of ruling the subcontinent.
Chauncey1186
Yeah, I'm a soshulist - so what?
09:41 AM on 05/10/2010
"these people"??

How about we stop sending drones to kill "these people", then maybe they wouldn't have this "rabid unhinged hatred".
11:18 PM on 05/08/2010
Finally, someone who has the courage to speak the truth.

Thank you Ambassador!
05:44 PM on 05/08/2010
Has this Ambassador have no sense of history?

U.S has cultivated Pakistan over decades by supplying resources which has been used for all sorts of activities. Now, it can't control the monster it has created. The solution he proposes now is a 2 week vacation only policy. What a great proposal.
04:50 PM on 05/08/2010
At first, I thought this was facetious. Then I realized the Ambassador really means this. So what other countries are going to be on his list? Iraq? Somalia? How about Yemen? Maybe Saudi Arabia? What kind of rules will follow next? Maybe every country with a majority Muslim population? As a Jew, I find this type of religious profiling abhorrent. As an American, I find this proposal unconstitutional and anti-American in its nature. We still have trials before we punish people. It is time to bring home ALL troops from ALL countries overseas. Killing people in Iraq, for something Osama (a Saudi) did makes no sense! END ALL fighting once and for all!
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05:45 PM on 05/08/2010
I'm with you on this one...to a tee. I know it's become a cliched quote, but Benny Franklin had it right:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
10:40 AM on 05/09/2010
Thankyou for a sane assesment.
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03:24 PM on 05/08/2010
Do you suppose he was radicalized by US drones killing wedding parties in Pakistan? Violence breeds violence. Petraus even acknowledged we have killed many who had no connection to Taliban or qeada. So we should be shocked when it comes back on us?
12:47 PM on 05/09/2010
ok and his daddy was top pakistani army general. So does he take responsibility for inviting drone attacks in his country by supporting taliban and other terrorists? Does he believe violence breeds violence?
01:54 PM on 05/08/2010
What about the guy from Nigeria or Ft hood guy. Problem with these simplistic solution is that they are based on misguided perceptions from media coverage. So you will put a lot of resources on tracking hundreds of thousand of people visiting for business or other reason where these resources can be better served. Did not expect a redneck solution from a "ambassador".
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11:09 PM on 05/08/2010
You make an unsubstantiated claim that "hundreds of thousands" travel to Pakistan. The annual air passenger traffic of young adults (18-35) traveling to Pakistan whether naturalized or not is less than 7,500 per year. I'll take my simplistic solution over yours any day. Marc
11:36 PM on 05/08/2010
How many Pakistani's have committed serious crimes in our country or spied on us
for you to come up with this dramatic solution?
10:44 AM on 05/09/2010
Respected ambassador , almost all of pakistany-americans in the us are peace loving. They have their siblings their parents who still might be living in pakistan. Why would you want to come up with such a radical solution , that they cant live with their families for more than two weeks. If you really want a solution , you should take it up with the pakistany government and provide more resources for its military to finish off the TTP.
You are asking immigrants (naturalized or not) not to visit their home countries for more than two weeks. You are penalizing innocent , peace loving citizens. This is no solution.

Regards.