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Dr. Mark Dybul

Dr. Mark Dybul

Posted: December 19, 2009 11:28 AM

There has been appropriate moral condemnation of Uganda's proposed anti-gay law that originally included the death penalty. Evangelical uber Pastor Rick Warren led the way with a moving and powerful video directed to clergy in Uganda, followed by the Holy See, conservative Senator Tom Coburn and the Obama Administration. It is good to see ecumenism and bipartisanship. But in addition to the clear human rights issues, there are important public health principles at stake - as the current US Global AIDS Coordinator, Ambassador Eric Goosby, has rightly noted.

Gay men and women cannot be legislated out of existence. The practical impact of the law will be to undermine Uganda's efforts to combat its HIV epidemic. That would be a tragedy in any country, but perhaps more so in a place with a record of leadership and success on HIV prevention. UNAIDS launched a "know your epidemic" campaign a few years back. It makes great sense - if there is insufficient knowledge about the drivers of the spread of HIV in a country, or areas of a country, it is impossible to dedicate resources to the programs that are most likely to be effective. Recently, Ugandan officials have embraced that approach regarding discordant couples - where one person in a relationship is HIV positive and another is negative - because data show that transmission in such pairs was contributing significantly to the spread of HIV in their country.

What is unknown in Uganda, and much of Africa, is the contribution of men who have sex with men (MSM) to HIV transmission. While it is commonplace for officials to say MSM does not contribute significantly to HIV in Africa, the fact is that we do not know. The US President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief began to support MSM surveys in several African countries during the Bush Administration. Progress was slow and difficult due to cultural issues, which must be understood and respected to effectively move forward. The Ugandan law requires anyone who is aware of the homosexuality of any person to report them to authorities. Rick Warren was right to note that the requirement would make pastors policemen. But it also prevents public health officials from assessing the factors driving the spread of HIV. Without adequate knowledge of the drivers of the epidemic, it is not possible to effectively plan and implement programs to combat it.

In a related way, outlawing gay people, especially in such a draconian way, simply drives them underground where they cannot or will not access prevention, care and treatment services. Public health officials would not only be handicapped from effectively directing programs, the law would directly contribute to the spread of HIV and lead to increased sickness and death. That would counter the laudable gains Uganda has made in prevention and more recent advances in expanding treatment and care. Even if MSM do not currently contribute significantly to the HIV epidemic, if they are pushed away from services that could quickly change. This is a lesson learned the hard way in the US. While the epidemic has been stable or declining in previously high-risk populations, there has been an explosion in the inner cities and among African Americans, in particular women, who are often beyond the reach of prevention and care programs. For these reasons, President Bush talked about the need to deal with HIV in inner cities and prisons in a State of the Union Address and President Obama is developing a national HIV strategy.

Which brings us to the final point - stigma and discrimination are rarely good for public health. In addition to driving away people in need and at risk of spreading infection, stigma and discrimination cause others genuinely at risk to believe they are safe and need not act to protect themselves. And by ghettoizing a disease among what are considered marginalized populations, it lightens the pressure on policymakers to act quickly. We saw this phenomenon in the early days of HIV in the US, and we are seeing it today in Eastern Europe and parts of Asia.

Stigma and discrimination have in no small part fueled the HIV pandemic at the level of person-to-person interaction and at the highest levels of policymaking. It is also just wrong. For these reasons, President Bush directed his team to work to do away with one of the vestiges in the US - the unnecessary restrictions and bureaucratic hurdles for HIV-positive people to enter the US: a process that President Obama completed.

Sadly, Uganda is not the only country considering stigmatizing and discriminatory laws. Opposition to such measures pulls together a unique confluence of conservatives and liberals, people of deep religious faith and those more secular in outlook and principles of human rights and good public health. Seems like something worth standing up for.

 
 
 
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obtusegoose
aka David in the O.C.
12:01 PM on 12/21/2009
"Evangelical uber Pastor Rick Warren led the way with a moving and powerful video directed to clergy in Uganda".

That's not the whole story. Mr. Warren originally said that he didn't want to interject himself in the foreign affairs of other nations. Which, of course, is a bold-faced lie. He has had numerous meetings with the religious leaders of Uganda. Making Pastor Warren out to be some sort of savior-of-the-gays is disingenuous at best.

The author also fails to mention that impetus for the "kill the gays" bill originated with religious groups in the United States:
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/11/25/16913
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csavage
08:34 AM on 12/21/2009
You continue to cultivate the American fantasy that HIV/AIDS is a homosexual disease. The transmission of HIV in Africa is mostly through heterosexual contact, although, homosexual contact does also spread the disease. The threat of HIV in Africa transcends a debate on whether homosexuals should suffer the death penalty, in fact, continuing the American tradition of linking the two hurts both arguments. Of course, it's abhorent that any nation would want to put it's citizens to death for a difference in biology, but the cause of treating HIV in Africa is more limited by the lack of power women have in health and sexuality choices, i.e., limited access to condoms, and a generalized lack of knowledge of transmission among the population than any bias toward gays. When an American leader comes to Africa and spouts off recommendations that link HIV and homosexuals, of course, the easy route for the African government official to take is to blame the gays. So please, protest Ugandan treatment of homosexuals and please, protest continental Africa's response to HIV/AIDS, but the two issues are just that-2 separate issues
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10:26 AM on 12/21/2009
There's a history, going back to the beginning of the epidemic, of people so obsessed with their hatred of gay men that they use the disease to condemn gays by blaming them for it, no matter how wrongly and counterproductive that is in stopping its spread. The US lost tens years in the 80's in this regard lest politicians cross evangelical voters who would at the time have the disease be seen as the wrath of God against gays. Reagan never once mentioned the burgeoning epidemic It continues today in the African American community where homophobia spread by preachers there not only pushes gay black men to deny their sexuality, despite being homosexually active, but has also had the effect of stigmatizing the use of condoms and safe sex as a "gay thing". Now we're seeing what was once regarded as the most effective anti-AIDS program in Africa being destroyed in order to promote anti-gay hatred. Vastly more people throughout the world are infected by HIV through heterosexual activity and have been since the start than through homosexual activity and millions of those infected wouldn't be if not for homophobia. To praise Warren or anyone other gay-haters for their half-hearted rejection of the gay genocidal legislation in Africa, cynically intended to make gays out as the guilty party in Ugandan AIDS, is like praising an arsonist who set a house ablaze for fetching a bucket of water. Homophobia kills - both gays and straights.
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04:38 PM on 01/05/2010
You make excellent points.

As a gay man, with low risk behavior on the menu, I get tested every six months (when I am active).

My heterosexual female friend is terrified of being tested because of the stigma attached to HIV/AIDS but she refuses, despite knowing there is good reason for her being tested...and she continues to have unprotected sex with male partners.

It's true. Homophobia is dangerous not only to gays but to straights.
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08:31 AM on 12/21/2009
When cornered by wide-spread condemnation it's no surprise that these promulgators of anti-gay hatred would find fault with murderous legislation and call it "extreme" (Warren's adjective) for the sake of their own reputations. Having one's bigoted ideology play a role in genocide isn't good for one's public image. You're correct that the stigmatization of gay sexual attraction only serves to drive it underground where preventative efforts concerning HIV become impossible, but who, if not fundamentalist preachers and demagogic politicians, is responsible, in the first place, for that stigmatization? And where was Warren all these years when gay men were "merely" jailed in Uganda? This is scape-goating at its worst. It's long established fact that AIDS in Africa is primarily transmitted by heterosexual activity or else is homosexual activity vastly more common there than in the West? How else to account for the huge numbers there? And, finally, where were Warren, the Catholic church and American politicians all these years when gay men in Uganda were "merely" being jailed. Significantly there was no mention in Uganda of AIDS prevention as a rationale for those laws. Far more plausible and rational is the view of Ugandan gays that this even harsher legislation is ultimately about growing gay activism in Africa and, consequently, cynically using AIDS to fuel a backlash. With all due respect, you need to do a better job of looking beneath the surface and seeing the ugly political role that homophobia plays both here and in Africa.
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akrishn3
01:50 AM on 12/21/2009
I guess they too had 60 votes in their senate to pass such a law.
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TJCole
12:46 AM on 12/21/2009
All these members of The Family, and these other zealot hypocrite Evangelists are guilty of crimes against humanity...were as these Ugandan Death Panels are concerned, they should be charged for such in the International Court, Stupak and Pitts and Inhofe especially...
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csavage
08:39 AM on 12/21/2009
You have the assumption that the Family considers you worthy of existence on this planet. I assure you, they and every other evangelical wingnut in this country doesn't. If you are not with them and a "born again Christian" you are going to hell and, as an unredeemed, hell bound person-you are not worth even the air that you breathe to them....
Look at the whole business concerning the "Rapture"-they think they will be leaving the planet when things "get tough". Are they concerned about what happens to the planet or the people "left behind" when they leave? Of course not!
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TJCole
12:13 PM on 12/21/2009
You're right..!

The Rapture is heresy, as it teaches you can escape death when Jesus taught us not to fear death and that we can conquer death but not that any born of woman can escape death...!

The Rapture is a classic Cult Device and perversion of Christ's sacrifice for us all, whethr you believe Him to be Divine or not...

There is no Rapture, in biblical terms or as far as Gospel only the Raising of the true Saints and Martyrs and that number is given us it's only 144,000 if you believe in Scripture but there is no Rapture of all Dallas Cowboy fans or all Republicans or TV Heretics...we are told and warned that in the Final Days there will be many False Prophets like Rick Warren or Pat Robertson and these heretics of the dangerous Cult of The Family...
11:48 PM on 12/19/2009
Dr. Dybul,

Your blog, while quite accurate and to the point, is factual, and rationally based. It therefore, unfortunately, has little to do with the situation in Uganda.

The proposed Ugandan laws are ideologically and politically motivated, and, as such, have nothing to do with common sense or reason.
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ChicagoBob
Save the Earth-It's the only planet with chocolate
09:22 PM on 12/19/2009
Globally, our political systems generally allow strongmen types to rise to the top. Those who are cunning, skilled at manipulation, lies, and the assassinations of opposition candidates are in positions of power in many, many countries.

Unfortunately, none of these people are particularity enlightened individuals. They are brutes without morals who will perpetrate any crime or activity that will allow them to gain and/or maintain power.

Uganda is a clear example.

How to deal with people like this, without force, bribery, or some other form of intimidation is beyond me.
08:07 PM on 12/19/2009
We are equally guilty of creating such counter-intuitive laws as well as using legislation to curb, but not solve, known social problems. I think we all agree that this law is EVIL and will definitely undermine the effects of the HIV prevention efforts. That would be logical. But in this country we also have our share of backwards rules and counterproductive philosophies. Remember how abstinence education led to more teen pregnancies and abortions? Or how the entire medical establishment has a severe conflict of interest? Or how the justice system has the same conflict of interest? Or how it's ok to bail out investment banks while millions are kicked out of their homes so that banks can own properties? And think about how drunk driving is completely stigmatized and punished with fines and jail and yet we never get around to creating decent public transit. And what about the fact that alchohol is legal but hemp and marijuana are not when alchohol is far more dangerous? Meanwhile we push every possible pharma drug in the prime time tv ads. We should do everything in our power to stop this law from being passed, but at the same time we need to take a look at our own strange hypocrisies.
06:38 PM on 12/19/2009
I'm puzzled by the statement that the Holy See has made a statement about the Ugandan legislation.

The sole statement to come from the Vatican was an ambiguous statement by a low-level Vatican representative, in a webcast to a U.N. committee discussion discrimination against LGBT people. The Vatican official did not even mention Uganda, but was thought to be speaking against Uganda's consideration of the death penalty for gays and lesbians.

Pope Benedict has been absolutely silent. When people talk about the Holy See making a statement, they almost always mean the Pope--not a low-level Vatican official.

The statement that the Holy See has spoken out seems to be disinformation. For many Catholics (and I'm one of them), Benedict's silence has been scandalous--and I do not wish to let him off the hook for remaining silent.
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
01:32 PM on 12/19/2009
Is anyone else about sick of organized religion and their broadcast garbage? All in favor of seeing any/all religious institutions lose their tax-exempt status say 'aye'...
03:24 PM on 12/19/2009
Aye!
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xxpossum
leftist bushwacker
05:17 PM on 12/19/2009
Aye!