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Why I Don't Buy Japan's Nuclear Restart

Posted: 05/31/2012 6:36 pm

With the announcement that Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda will likely approve the restart of two of Japan's nuclear reactors, I admit that I don't buy any of the reasons for doing so.

I've heard many excuses for the nuclear accident that happened as a result of the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami in Japan, followed by reasons why we should return to nuclear power.

1. "We were unprepared for March 11."

Um, who is ever prepared for a natural disaster? Even the Boy Scouts would have had a hard time preparing for an earthquake, tsunami and nuclear accident happening at the same time. Besides, have you ever heard of a disaster that went extremely well because everyone was prepared? Hey, we had only 10,000 fatalities rather than 15,000 because we were so prepared! And 5,000 of those deaths were actually pets. And of those pets, most of them were goldfish. So overall, it was a very successful disaster! It's like being relieved that a small plane crashed killing only 50 people rather than a Boeing 747 that crashed killing 350. Who can quantify life?

2. Former Prime Minister Naoto Kan acknowledged there was "poor communication and coordination among nuclear regulators, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) and his government." In addition, he said they had uncovered "inadequate safety guidelines" that need to be overhauled.

How can we be sure that communications will improve or that an overhaul of safety guidelines will make us safer? Even a complete overhaul of the system does not eliminate human error. While we can try to prevent it, we cannot avoid it. There is no guarantee that the "authorities" or anyone else will do the right thing the next time around. Give people safe alternative energy, and all we'll need to worry about is a massive blackout rather than decades of nuclear contamination.

3. "Since nuclear power accounted for about 30 percent of Japan's total energy supply before the March 11 earthquake, the only way to avoid energy shortages this summer is to restart the reactors."

Fifty-four nuclear reactors to power just 30 percent! Wow, is it really worth it? Why are we so afraid of running out of electricity anyway? We have this dependency on electricity as if it were a drug. Makes you wonder what people would do if there was a food shortage. You don't need air conditioning, lights or TVs to survive. You do need food.

We have a problem distinguishing between wants and needs. Needs are food, clothing and shelter. Wants are iPods, Lady Gaga and nuclear energy. Honestly, we could all do with a good scolding from Mother Nature.

When I lived in Indonesia, rolling blackouts were the norm. You just get used to them. Most people had a generator as a backup. You soon realize that power outages aren't so bad. OMG -- we'll have to take a coffee break! You learn that inconvenience is actually sometimes "in convenience." And from my observations of the Japanese work place, I'd say most businesses would have higher worker productivity if they thought the electricity was going to go out for a spell.

To save energy, grocery stores, department stores and public transportation will continue to keep their air conditioners at minimum temperatures rather than freezing the heck out of their customers. People will come home and turn on the fan rather than the air conditioner. And maybe they'll discover they can sleep with the windows open rather than with the fan on. What's wrong with that? In the meantime, we can save energy for hospitals, factories and other facilities that rely on it.

Rather than turning on the air conditioner to deal with intense summer heat, we should tear up all the unnecessary concrete in this country and instead use materials that breathe and absorb the heat. Amid Japan's economic miracle, they removed trees, gardens and grass and replaced them with easy-to care for concrete sidewalks, plazas and parks (yes, pure concrete parks!), all of which reflect heat. Whereas houses used to be built to breathe and cool themselves, these days, they are made for air conditioning. We should be striving to live in a balance of nature and technology, not a separation of the two.

4. "Nuclear power is cheap."

Really? After the cost of Japan's nuclear disaster, I don't think anyone should be calling nuclear power cheap. Tepco is raising its rates to cover this previously "cheap" energy. At least with increased rates, people use less energy. But why not spend that extra money (that they are going to charge us anyway) on alternative energy?

Kansai Electric Power Co. has already made changes such as offering bigger discounts to corporate customers who operate on weekends instead of weekdays (shifting their usage to when electricity demand is lower). They plan on raising the electricity rates in the late afternoon, lowering them at night and adding incentives for households who save energy. This should have happened a long time ago. More options offer more opportunities for companies (many already on the brink) to be more efficient. And employees benefit too. Flex days? Bring 'em on! Electricity should be seen as a commodity.

I also propose that TEPCO lower the rates in winter, when people "need" energy most, and raise the rates in summer when people "want" it most.

5. "Moving away from nuclear power will take away from research and development in this area."

In addition, by continuing R&D on nuclear power, we take away from R&D in alternative energy. I'd like to see more development of not just thermal, wind and hydro power, but also tidal power. Japan's Seto Inland Sea, with over 250 inhabited islands, has some incredible power to be harnessed via a constantly rising and falling four-meter tide, and the resulting swift currents that flow back and forth through the islands and out into the Pacific Ocean.

Japanese writer Genichiro Takahashi, referring to now being the first time since 1966 that Japan has been without atomic power, said, "It is a good opportunity for us to think about what kind of world we should and want to create." And maybe it's time to learn how to appreciate something we don't have: nuclear power.

 
 
 

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With the announcement that Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda will likely approve the restart of two of Japan's nuclear reactors, I admit that I don't buy any of the reasons for doing so. I've heard many ...
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BraveWarrior
The truth will set you free, like it or not
07:32 PM on 07/16/2012
I'm with you Amy. Don't look now, at least in any American papers, but in today's issue of Russia Today (rt.com) are pictures of the largest and latest protest in Japan against nuclear energy. Some 170,000 to 200,000 Japanese are staging the latest protest against the government's decision to restart some reactors. According to Japanese culture and custom-these types of public displays are a new and unexpected phenomenon. Since the US controls most of the Japanese political culture-it is not surprizing that their government doesn't respond to popular opinion. Hey that's a lot like here. The government and Tenco attempted to lay the blame of the meltdowns on a millenium event-the tsunami. But an investigation laid the blame on 'collusion' between the government, company and regulators. I guess the Japanese people are learning to mistrust their leaders.
09:12 PM on 07/12/2012
Amy, you are spot on. Truth be told, many Japanese are trying to reduce their electricity consumption. We're half way through summer and people talk about how they haven't used their air conditioning yet and news shows and commercials discuss electricity reducing methods (though none mention turning off the TV). I think the utility companies are scared their profits will dive when people realise they don't need to use as much power.

Thank you for pointing out that black outs are preferable to decades long contamination. I get so sick of debating with other commentators trying to imply how eco they are for promoting 'clean' nuclear energy over fossil fuels that will make up the shortfall. There is a massive boom in solar panels in Japan, with small portable ones you can install on your balcony costing around $600. I can imagine in 5 years the advances in batteries and reductions in cost will make this much more popular. There just had to be the incentive.
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Harley 2
02:06 PM on 07/05/2012
With solar at 3 cents per kWH why are we even discussing this complex dangerous monstronsities called nuke?
proof of 3 cents here
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/p/renewable-and-energy-efficiency.html
07:02 AM on 06/17/2012
Tourism and exports are seriously affected by Fukushima and its aftermath. The people are ignoring it as well they may, but living in Nippon these days is no delightful thing any more. And yet...a reactor is to be fired up for summer economics. My God, do we never learn?

Until Japan ceases nuclear energy it will be blighted by bad press in the real world opinion ratings. Furthermore, if there is another nuclear problem there may not be much of Nippon (or the planet) left to enjoy rampant consumerism's increasingly manic excess. [See my link below for comprehensive details of the extremely serious issue of Fukushima.]

Yes, we urgently need to reevaluate our concept of prosperity versus safe utility. To do that we require as many people as possible to become well informed and make a noise.

"It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on NO.4 reactor." Letter to Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, from Mitsuhei Murata, former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland and Senegal.

Learn more: https://sites.google.com/site/geodesiceye/home/note/and-it-came-to-pass
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
02:09 AM on 06/23/2012
Nuclear energy can be operated safely. We have to get past our fear of radiation of all sorts. Japan isnt at a major health risk and this coming off the heels of 3 meltdowns.
08:24 AM on 06/23/2012
Blind faith will not see us through. There's still a potential for x80 Chernobyls at Fukushima. This would be devastating to the entire world; in fact it would be the end of life as we know it. Check some of the data on my link and be surprised and a little dismayed that the Nippon government are allowing the firing up of two reactors to save money this summer; that's after all 54 had been closed down indefinitely. Then we have the ageing nuclear reactors elsewhere on the planet to consider (439 at last count). Incidentally, the Chernobyl aftermath is still poisoning the Northern Hemisphere as we speak -- the mainline media don't mention this. I mean, how sensible was it building 54 reactors in an earthquake zone subject to regular significant earth movements and oceanic disturbances in the first place? It really is worth catching up on some intel regarding this apocalypse in waiting.
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Harley 2
01:59 PM on 07/05/2012
I reposted your comment to Nuke Pro blog
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2012/07/from-huff-post.html
02:38 PM on 06/15/2012
To have a nuclear plant lying directly across a seismic fault, with an inadequate safety record and with the potential to contaminate the water supply for the whole of Kansai (i.e. Lake Biwa) is absolutely nonsensical. Please see this post at Deep Kyoto: International Call for Protest: "Don't restart the Oi reactors" http://www.deepkyoto.com/?p=7698

We at Kyoto Journal, an award-winning non-profit magazine on Asian culture, are working on a new publication called Fresh Currents on renewable energy in Japan. Follow us at @kyotojournal and @FreshCurrents
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
01:48 AM on 06/06/2012
Yeah, right. It proves by "Science" that electricity prevents spit ends, divorce, moldy yogurt and yo ma_ma.

They can do that. Yeah, they can.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
01:45 AM on 06/06/2012
The idea of keeping these reactors going for 80 years is crazy!” declares Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and former senior policy advisor at the U.S, Department of Energy and a U.S. Senate senior investigator. He is also an author of the book Killing Our Own: The Disaster of America’s Experience with Atomic Radiation. “To double the design life of these plants—which operate under high-pressure, high heat conditions and are subject to radiation fatigue—is an example of out-of-control hubris, of believing your own lies.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/06/04/an-80-year-license-to-kill/
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
02:09 AM on 06/23/2012
Alvarez is a convicted felon. Glad to know you put your trust in that.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
10:11 PM on 06/05/2012
I disagree that we need rolling blackouts to get rid of fossils and nukes and replace them with clean, safe cheaper rooftop solar, offshore wind and waste bio fuels to back it up.

You are falling for the pro nuke fossils meme of green energy intermittency.

Waste bio fuels can backup solar and wind using existing fossil plants but clean and forever.
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snowballinhell
Humans have a 100% chance of extinction
01:22 AM on 06/04/2012
You comments are logical. The energy world is not logical. You cannot appeal to logic when the irrationality is in control.
BraveWarrior
The truth will set you free, like it or not
08:26 PM on 07/16/2012
There is nothing illogical about the bottom line. Since my earlier post was deleted. Allow me to point out that between 170,000 to 200,000 Japanese are protesting in Tokyo over the government's decision to restart some of the nuclear reactors. I guess they didn't like that I referred to rt.com as a source of pictures and the story-that was strangely missing from all the American newspapers. The experts believe that the disaster is not over yet, and that more serious escape of nuclear material could result from the (still) melting fuel rods. The Japanese commission who investigated this disaster cited 'collusion' between the company, the regulators and the government as the principal cause. It is unusually in Japanese culture to participate in loud, public demonstrations. Yet I guess their desire not to suffer the long term consequences of their people after Hiroshima and Nagasaki has transcended any anxieties and embarrassment over showing bad manners. The land and water will be contaminated in Fukashima for a long time. In an island with little excess territory-the US military bases are the best area for relocations. Hint, hint!
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
01:38 PM on 06/03/2012
Preparedness is not a true/false condition, it is a matter of degree. That Japan only suffered 15,000 deaths is remarkable. The earthquake that hit The earthquake that hit Haiti was one one hundredth the energy of the Japanese quake and produced no tsunami yet killed 316,000 people. Japan has twice the population density of Haiti (much higher on the coast) yet still fared far better. A modern country with an advanced infrastructure is much more capable of dealing with a disaster.
04:42 PM on 06/03/2012
I agree, and yet with all Japan's advanced engineering, 3 nuclear reactors melted down. There were signs that this might happen, but the nuclear culture in Japan ignored them and in their total arrogance doubted the ability of nature to do what she clearly did.

Such terrible arrogance is routinely exhibited inthe nuclear culture of this nation as well
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Atoms4Peace1
Applying the atom peacefully since 1978
02:13 AM on 06/23/2012
Yet with 3 meltdowns, came zero radiation deaths. Zero. No acute deaths. No evidence for long term stochastic deaths. Our society's need for zero risk has driven radiation limits to absurdly low levels, costing trillions of dollars in unnecessary protection only to give those who fear exceeding those limits distress that somehow the are doomed.

The "nuclear culture" as you state it is a half million dedicated professionals serving public health and safety. Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
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Harley 2
02:01 PM on 07/05/2012
And the number of long term death to the radiation is staggering, and these are not "clean" deaths, they destroy families and the entire family fortune as the person goes down fighting.
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
01:19 PM on 06/03/2012
The author clearly does not understand the importance of electricity. Electricity is one the the greatest lifesaving, life enhancing tools. It is vital for efficiently producing and distributing all of the necessities of life - food, shelter, clean water etc... The electricity from even the dirtiest sources (coal) does far more good than harm.

Here are a few graphs showing the the importance of electricity. Each graph show a human condition by country by electricity usage per person.

Life expectancy:
www.bit.ly/KOkJ3W

Children Per woman.
www.bit.ly/KOl2vC

Child mortality:
www.bit.ly/KOl7Q9

Income per person:
www.bit.ly/JuDMMV

Female Literacy:
www.bit.ly/JuEaLB

Using Gapminder, you can set the horizontal access to a wide variety of human conditions. And they are almost all better were electricity is abundant.”
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Silken17
Just a hare in your soup
02:53 PM on 06/03/2012
Excellent!
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
04:16 PM on 06/03/2012
'The electricity from even the dirtiest sources (coal) does far more good than harm.'

A recent economic analysis published in the American Economic Review and mentioned by Krugman (here: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/30/markets-can-be-very-very-wrong/ ) found that coal power's costs imposed on the public in the form of air pollution ONLY exceed its economic benefits.

The abstract says: The largest industrial contributor to external costs is coal-fired electric generation, whose damages range from 0.8 to 5.6 times value added. (JEL E01, L94, Q53, Q56)

http://www.aeaweb.org/articles.php?doi=10.1257/aer.101.5.1649

Note that, again, the authors are only concerned here with air pollution costs imposed by coal, not (for example) CO2-driven warming economic effects, CO2-driven ocean acidification effects, heavy metal poisoning of the food chain, etc.

While I agree that cheap energy is vitally important for quality of life, your contention with respect to coal power is questionable at this point.
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Silken17
Just a hare in your soup
04:44 PM on 06/03/2012
I completely agree. I did not see the statement that you quoted (as often happens with me).
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
12:29 PM on 06/04/2012
The context was that coal generated electricity is better than no electricity.
09:38 PM on 06/02/2012
Like "clean coal" salesmen, nuclear salesmen do not offer a full cost accounting for the life cycle of nuclear. Nuclear salesman continuously repeat a 3 to 4 cents per kWh figure as if is has some basis in reality. It does not.

By now it should be obvious that the 3 to 4 cents per kWh figure for nuclear has been proven to be a bad joke. Its continued use should be considered nothing less than a lie.

What items are not added to this figure? Here's an incomplete list:

1. The ongoing cleanup cost of major accidents worldwide.

2. The harm nuclear accidents have done and continue to do to both national and international economies, including the loss of once usable land.

3. The costs of public health consequences to affected nations

4. The cost of long term waste management - which is multi-generational

5. The cost of non proliferation efforts which must be undertaken via international cooperation and treaty

A Harvard Medical School study published one month before the catastrophe in Japan, estimated that if the health and environmental externalities from coal were included, the US public would pay an additional $300B to $500B per year - 3 times the current price per kWh often quoted. This in turn would make renewable sources of energy, far more competitive.

How would nuclear power do if massive subsidies were removed and the above costs internalized?

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/true-cost-accounting-approach-nuclear/
02:46 AM on 06/03/2012
All nonsense.

There are no nuclear subsidies.

Chernobyl was a Soviet nuke weapons production accident nothing to do with nuke power,

TMI and FUKU have all long term damage is confined to the reactors themselves with nobody injured. None of those accidents are even remotely possible in a modern reactor.

Proliferation has nothing to do with nuke power.

All the world's nuke waste would fit on a football field.to burned in Gen IV reactors, and is a tiny fraction of the management issues of the cubic miles of toxic forever mine and coal tailings.
09:21 AM on 06/03/2012
Mario has a different approach. When faced with facts he doesn't like, he simply pretends they don't exist.
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RahSolar
Stupidity is not a crime so you’re free to go
03:04 PM on 06/03/2012
The nuclear subsidies are in the form of Government loan guarantees. The Fed alone has promised Vogtle in Georgia $8 billion US in loans.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/05/31/Nuke-Plants-8-3-Billion-Loan-Who-Will-Pay.aspx#page1

As of the end of 2011, there was 66,142 Metric Tons of spent radioactive fuel distributed in the US alone. Each reactor produces 2.2 Metric Tons of spent fuel per year.

http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/documentlibrary/nuclearwastedisposal/graphicsandcharts/used-nuclear-fuel-storage-map

http://www.nei.org/resourcesandstats/nuclear_statistics/nuclearwasteamountsandonsitestorage/

You're right mark, it will fit into a football field. You neglected to mention the pile would be as tall as the Empire State building.
That's US waste alone.

Chernobyl was an accident caused by human error during an outage test.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/readings/chernobyl.html

Those things colored blue are links to support my claims. You wouldn't know anything about that because you never post any.

You really need to stop eating lead paint chips and settle back down to reality for a little while.
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MrBIgp
If I'm wrong, please show me
02:04 PM on 06/03/2012
Nuclear power has worldwide has produced trillions of dollars in electricity, it has reduced the coal that needed to be burned by billions of tons. It has save millions of lives and billions of dollars. The long term waste management can easily be done for less then one tenth of a cent per kilowatt hour. The land declared 'uninhabitable' near Chernobyl, has become a large wildlife preserve.

The net cost of health consequences is negative; nuclear power reduces heath costs by reducing the amount of fossil fuels which need to be burned.

The cost of non-proliferation expense is zero in the US, UK, France and Russia. It is minimal in countries who have singed the non-proliferation agreement.

What isn't included in the costs of solar and wind is the costs relating to their intermittentcy and the need to have conventional backup generation. Also, there is no accounting of the energy that is generated when it is not needed - very common in Texas which often gets its best wind conditions in the middle of the night when baseload generation easily handles the demand.
02:27 PM on 06/03/2012
"The land declared 'uninhabitable' near Chernobyl, has become a large wildlife preserve."

If animals with a much higher mutation and birth defect rate are the ones being preserved

"The net cost of health consequences is negative;"

....salesmen and dishonest accounting practices
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
10:05 PM on 06/05/2012
Waste bio fuels backup solar and wind using existing fossils plants, but clean without the heavy metals. red herring, dishonest salesmen's trick too.
professor
Correkt the Spelling and Pick on the Moniker
09:02 PM on 06/02/2012
I like how the tro with the famous moniker attacks me calling it its personally-well-earned name of "tro" rather than attacking my point--which is that Chernobyl animals are suffering greatly from radiation, contrary to tro myths. This is typical of them. They can't answer an irrefutable fact, so they get all huffy about people doing what they do--name calling. He who smelt it dealt it.
02:48 AM on 06/03/2012
You have no proof of your wacky claims. Just Junk Science from Denialist HQ down at Big Oil.
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RahSolar
Stupidity is not a crime so you’re free to go
03:20 PM on 06/03/2012
You have no basis in reality.
Period.
As for whacky claims, you seem to be cornering the market on them.

http://www.cas.sc.edu/greenquad/node/92

http://www.birdresearch.dk/unilang/2012_Chernobyl_birds_Moeller_Erritzoe.pdf
04:58 PM on 06/03/2012
Wacky claims marko says. - was it not you, marky mark, who claimed that corrupt Japanese officials, paid by big oil, had planted devices in Japanese nuclear power plants and are just waiting for the world wide oil conspiracy to give them a signal to set them off and cause another meltdown?
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John Sprucinski
Think - don't just react!
08:16 PM on 07/24/2012
How about some real data! Ever watch the wolf's of Chernobyl? Shots you premise all to shreds. Lies, more lies and ......
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fireofenergy
Promote freedom AND science
12:33 AM on 06/02/2012
Energy is the basis for, well, everything. What's the back up plan? What about robotic solar panel and battery factories?
How about LFTR, the (far) better nuclear?
Surely, we don't want "robotic everything", but in this case, we could have machine made (install) jobs as a solution out of global recession.
As for Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor, the list of benefits is really long, including meltdown proof load leveling baseload power with only 1% the wastes of conventional light water reactors (please search it).
(Yes, I'm about the only one who likes solar and LFTR).
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Silken17
Just a hare in your soup
02:28 AM on 06/02/2012
I like solar and LFTR too but I refuse to discuss solar with some of the obnoxious anti-nukes on these threads who make outrageously unrealistic claims about it. These people aren't really interested in solar technology. If they are going to eliminate future nuke technology they have to offer something to replace it so they build their anti-nuke propaganda around unrealistic claims about solar being cheaper, safer, cleaner and available today. Renewables like solar will have an important role to play in the future but they cannot do the job by alone.

Instead, they claim it can replace nukes in their propaganda since they have to offer something if they're going to eliminate any future nuke technology.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
02:52 PM on 06/02/2012
If you would say something credible about solar ... maybe we would be more receptive?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Silken17/san-onofre-power-plant_n_1554416_158231318.html

Or for that matter ... wind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Silken17/a-crossroads-for-japan-re_n_1554376_157967028.html

Your understanding of capacity reserves, capacity factor, reliability, grid management, balancing energy, and a great deal more are fundamentally flawed.
06:24 AM on 06/02/2012
I also like solar and LFTR. As a member of the "All of the above" club, I support all methods of electric production when used properly.

From a capital investment view, it is highly desirable to operate any electric generators at rated capacity. In sunny areas, solar and nuclear power is a great match. Let the nukes handle base load demands and solar for peak demands during the day.

But solar fails for base load generation, this will require another set of panels dedicated to charging a storage system. And storage systems are very expensive, the GM Volt battery cost around $10,00. Add these cost and solar become a very expensive.
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Silken17
Just a hare in your soup
04:40 PM on 06/02/2012
I consider myself a memeber of the "All of the above club" as well. You just won't find me showing it much around some of the anti-nukes on these threads.

One of the biggest energy problems we have but which gets little air time is the problem of liquid transportation fuels. Liquid fuels are running out and we don't have any realistic alternatives that are even close to viable at this point in time. It is conceivable that we might end up falling back on coal liquefaction like China is doing today. That would be disastrous since nothing has a bigger carbon footprint.
06:18 PM on 06/01/2012
"rolling blackouts were the norm. You just get used to them. Most people had a generator as a backup. "

I see, firing up thousands of gasoline/diesel backup generators is hardly a green solution.

Unless you are color blind.
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
04:37 PM on 06/02/2012
Nothing says 'green' quite like diesel fumes.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
09:00 AM on 06/03/2012
I am a sailor and we are somewhat unique.

When there is wind, we are very green.

When the wind dies, we fire up our Yanmar diesels and exhaust them right into the water.

Strange thing about environmental laws, it is illegal to empty a sewage holding tank into the Great Lakes. But if willing to use the railing instead of the head, it is legal to directly deposit human waste into the water.

Got to love that logic...