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Dear Eighth Grader: So You Want to Apply to Harvard? Some Words of Advice...

Posted: 02/21/2012 5:27 pm

Dear Eighth Grader:

College interview season is drawing to a close. Hundreds of thousands of high school seniors would like to believe that they have secured admission to prestigious colleges by impressing alumni like me with their sterling credentials and conversational aptitude.

Our meeting will not take place for four years. I hope you don't think it too presumptuous of me to give you some things to think about now, at this early juncture -- to help you prepare.

I have three kids of my own, including an eighth grader like you. My house will still be pretty noisy in 2016 -- so, let's meet at Einstein's, the bagel place. I'll be the one doing the crossword puzzle.

I've been conducting Harvard interviews for many years. Even though I graduated from Harvard, I feel somewhat like a poser. I know to a moral certainty that, if I were to apply to the college today, the chances of my getting in would be less than zero. Admission standards have grown more rigorous over the last quarter century. Sometimes, it's good to be older.

I interview applicants because it's fun. I like hearing about what's going on in your youthful world, one that is now largely foreign to me. And, unlike my own kids, when I ask questions, applicants have to answer. I like that, too.

A friend recently asked me whether I interview because I like to wield power -- like Commodus in Gladiator, whose "thumbs up" gesture in the Coliseum meant life or death.

But my powers are hardly imperial. I am not a gatekeeper. A lot of kids about whom I write enthusiastic recommendations do not get in to Harvard. Some people say that the whole interview process is just an elaborate ruse intended to increase alumni donations. Still, my reports must count for something, because, when they are late, I receive testy emails admonishing me.

The first thing you should know is that great test scores and grade point averages do not, standing alone, excite me. If I had one candy-coated chocolate for every kid I've interviewed with an ACT score of 34, I could fill an industrial-size bag of M&Ms that Costco sells for $8.99. High grades? These days, in this era of hyper grade inflation, who doesn't get a four point gazillion GPA?

You can leave at home the curriculum vitae printed on bond paper. I know you'll be well rounded. You'll play midfield on the varsity soccer team, clarinet in the symphony band and Benny Southstreet in Guys and Dolls. The exhortations of guidance counselors, over-invested parents and the authors of College Admissions for Dummies will guarantee that.

Given that so many candidates have outstanding credentials, you may think that it will be impossible for you to stand out. Not true. The special kid announces herself boldly, unmistakably; she can't be missed -- like a flare streaking across a starless nighttime sky.

What do I look for? Qualities that are hard to spot on admissions applications, but ones that scream out during probing conversation: passion, intellect, curiosity and mettle.

So, when I ask you to explain why you say you dislike the president, it'd be best for you to do more than mimic the political prejudices of your parents. Please show that you've given issues like that some independent thought.

And, if the conversation happens to turn toward your belief in God, I would love to hear the basis for that belief, that you've wrestled with questions of faith and that you've developed an intellectual construct that takes into account doubt and opposing points of view.

I'll want to learn whether an exciting idea has ever overtaken you, whether you've ever had an epiphany, a "eureka" moment.

How did the universe begin? What are your most troubling personal weaknesses? Does your high school have a caste system, and, if so, how do you fit into, and feel about, it? Where does morality come from? What's more important, reason or passion? What's the last book you read outside of school that changed the way you think about something important? What did you do to motivate yourself to make the varsity tennis team?

Do you have answers to these questions? Have you even thought about them?

In his recent book, The Social Animal, David Brooks describes how a high school student might transform himself into a prodigious thinker, a generator of original ideas, a traveler on the road to wisdom. The journey is one that will be defined by struggle, by reading and re-reading books that may be hard to understand, by challenging assumptions, by trying to harness and unify stray and random thoughts, by cultivating expertise.

When you and I meet, will you have set out on this intellectual voyage? Will you be energized or enervated by your odyssey? Or will you have forsaken the journey altogether, seduced by Facebook, the Disney Channel and other opiates?

And, by the way, you won't have to be an extra-curricular "superstar" to impress me. It'll be okay if you're not elected class president or named to the all-state lacrosse team.

But I will investigate whether you are disciplined, whether you are a dilettante, whether you know how to energetically commit yourself to something about which you say you care. Alternatively, I will ask myself whether your words are your own and whether your activities are cynically calculated to win admissions to an Ivy League school.

I recently interviewed a girl who easily won me over (she got into Harvard), not because her accomplishments were spectacular, but because her opinions were well-formed but humbly-stated, because her passion for cross-country compelled her to run at least five miles almost every day since ninth grade and because she waxed sentimental about polka dancing, an activity that does not appear prominently on the radar screens of most college admissions officials.

There aren't too many kids out there like that. So, if you're one of them, you'll have a leg up, at least in my eyes.

I am writing to you now, years before our meeting, because I think you'll need time to work on some of these things. Intellectual ambition, drive and zest for discovery can't be turned on and off like a light switch.

We only cultivate these characteristics slowly, and we do so only by conquering apathy and peer pressure, by shunning minimalism and materialism and by appreciating the positive correlation between effort and reward. As Aristotle observed, "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."

Frankly, it's not really that important whether you go to Harvard. There are a lot of Harvard graduates who do not lead productive lives. And, of course, Harvard and other comparable schools have not cornered the market on success.

But, irrespective of where you go to college, I think this is true: If you prepare for our interview in the manner I have suggested, your adult life is far more likely to be intellectually rich, rewarding and happy. The world will be a more exciting place for you.

So, future Harvard applicant, I'm looking forward to having a great discussion with you four years from now. In the meantime, log out of Facebook, for goodness sake.

Warm regards,

Andy Doctoroff '85

 
Dear Eighth Grader: College interview season is drawing to a close. Hundreds of thousands of high school seniors would like to believe that they have secured admission to prestigious colleges by imp...
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01:25 AM on 04/09/2012
Mr. Doctoroff,

I am a high school junior, a college hopeful, and an occasional Facebook frequenter. Incidentally, I found your article after if was "shared" on Facebook; oh the irony. You claim that Facebook and "other opiates" are distracting people, keeping them from creating their own ideals. I personally have a very different take on the matter. Although I question neither your desire for unique, creative answers from Harvard hopefuls, nor your expertise on the subject of college interviews, I wonder whether Facebook truly hinders individuals ability to develop opinions.
Facebook, and the internet as a whole, connects an entire world of ideas, allowing people to express their ideas with the "click of a button". Sites like Facebook are where new ideas flourish, just today I received two puns on my page; one denounced the Tea Party, and the other was very anti-Obama. Although not necessarily new ideas, they do reflect the current political situation; the abundance of conflicting views force Facebook users to form their own opinions.
Facebook is a source of freedom in many countries; the protests in Egypt were planned using modern connection sites Facebook and Twitter. Websites like Facebook exist everywhere, simply because they allow the transfer of ideas in mass. Even China, where Facebook is banned has its own version : RenRen.
Facebook teaches individuals to connect using modern technology that is pushing humanity into the future. It is not the website, it is how you use it.

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01:48 PM on 03/15/2012
In a household of teenage boys who display passion for one thing or another and as the father of two teenage girls living in another state, I resonate with this article. One of my daughters is an addict to a fore mentioned FB and the other not. One has a few close friends and the other many. It seams clear to me that the teenage 'success' stories will be made up of those who face life head on and are not afraid to broadcast themselves as individuals and not hooked into the past times of the masses (i.e. FB, videos, gaming and the like). I believe there are fewer individuals in this world who walk a path of true leadership which takes an enormous amount of dedication. I am attending a men's rite of passage with one of these gifted individuals and he is 17. I am witnessing similar commitments from another gifted individual (my eldest daughter) and she is 16. The world will be enriched when these two individuals explode out into the world. Maybe they will apply to Harvard...probably not...
04:47 PM on 03/06/2012
Wait a second. While the article is generally well written, he had to go and destroy it with the hackneyed, BrainyQuote.com Aristotle "habit" quote. Anyone who has actually read any Aristotle (and a simple internet search) will tell you that the quotation here isn't Aristotle. It's a summation of his philosophy from a book about him. It is painful to see a Harvard grad, speaking to a younger generation about how they should actually read books and not go the cheapened Facebook route, butcher one of the Western world's greatest thinkers.
12:38 AM on 03/04/2012
I am the most ambitious high schooler I know, & the only thing this article makes me want to do is log onto Facebook.
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11:59 PM on 03/03/2012
OMG - my husband and I interview for colleges in the "Harvard" neighborhood and we were tempted to write an article. No need now - it would have said exactly the same thing. Well done! Students - forewarned is forearmed.
04:14 PM on 03/03/2012
I would also tell them not to be an Eagle Scout, join 4-H, or the FFA. All hurt your chances of getting into an Ivy League school.
09:34 AM on 03/01/2012
Who wouldn't want their kids to develop the qualities he described. But these are necessary just for getting into Harvard? What is left for Harvard to do with these students? A lot of the examples he describes are things that I wouldn't expect most students to deal with until they got to college--for most, that's the point of college. Of course there "aren't too many kids out there like that." If there were, why would we need to send them to college? If Harvard only takes those who have already gone through the process where

We only cultivate these characteristics slowly, and we do so only by conquering apathy and peer pressure, by shunning minimalism and materialism and by appreciating the positive correlation between effort and reward. As Aristotle observed, "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit."

what value does Harvard add to their education beyond providing them the opportunity to associate with similar individuals? Of course, such an opportunity is valuable in of itself but this article makes it sound like any transformative power of education occurred long before the students ever entered Harvard.
12:41 PM on 02/29/2012
I loved this article. I advise students to find what they are passionate about and do it! That is more important than any "recipe" for getting in an Ivy League school. Nurturing one's creativity and curiousity will get students farther in life than doing what everyone else is doing. Excellent article!
01:54 AM on 02/26/2012
I'd like to think that I am an independent thinker. That I am passionate about the subject at forefront. However, intimdation is a large barrier for a lot of students. Harvard, most definitely, would intimidate the dickens out of me, and I'm far past the college era. I could not imagine being 17-18 and sitting in front of a Harvard interviewer and having to cite reasons for my opinions, beliefs, and intellectual intentions. Whew, I don't even think I could put them into words now. Besides, it is next to impossible to get an unbiased account on politics, medical warfare, the price of tea in China, and other affairs of the world.

I wish this article had been around when I was still an information-seeking bloodhound ready to take on the world. I am a low man on the totem pole because I did not push myself past the point of comfort. I really do hope more young people will read this and start thinking. I am posting this to my favorite opiate...Facebook! It is funny how he calls Facebook a distraction, yet, Facebook was the gateway into my happening upon this article. Irony?
11:36 PM on 02/25/2012
Hey Eighth Grader:
Although it's too late to apply for fall's prep class, do yourself a favor and plan on applying for admission to the lower middle class at Exeter in 2013. Then after three years you too can listen to the Harvard Dean of Admissions give you the traditional greeting: "You know, after Exeter, Harvard is redundant". But heck, don't take his word for it or even mine. Ask Mark Zuckerberg. He'll tell you that his two years at Harvard were a waste.
09:16 AM on 02/25/2012
I hope everyone who reads this spends the next 10 years trying to nurture their kids ineffable qualities and zest for life with the belief that this is the way to get into Harvard or get a job in banking or get into med school. While you are convincing yourselves that their personalities will make up for lack of accomplishment we'll be at the ACT review course.
09:09 PM on 02/23/2012
While this article is about interviewing for Harvard, I love the advice that it gives. Today, so many students are "amazing," and it's so hard to stand out, but the article highlights passion in a few things as a key quality which, in my few years recruiting, many students forget while they're trying to be well-rounded.

It's also great to read that the statement that prestigious schools don't automatically "pump out" amazing, productive people. I've met some powerful leaders who came from unknown schools.
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05:09 PM on 02/23/2012
Nice article. I agree that I don't need my kids to go to Harvard. But i hope i can instill them with these qualities.
01:06 PM on 02/23/2012
If not just eighth graders heeded this advice. what an interesting world we would have. Interdependent thinking with zeal for the subject. Thank you for the post. Patrick the flagman http://www.flag-works.com/american_flags.htm
12:25 PM on 02/23/2012
Discussions with peers play a large part in shaping our thinking. If used well, facebook can be a tool to this end. The hope would be that people start philosophical discussions that lead us to further philosophical discussions. It's been taboo to talk about these things for too long.

Why do you think that so few of the applicants have delved into these issues? As an adult, when is the last time you heard yourself or another adult say, "I don't want to talk about politics." Or, "we don't discussion religion at the table." As an adult, can you answer the questions the author has put forth, earnestly?